Official Quant thread for CAT 2013

@bs0409 said:
Abbe kamina.....Ye sawal bachche logo ke liye hai....Tere jaise experienced logo ke liye nahi........!!!!!!!!!Tu ye solve kar1)A stick is randomly broken into 3 pieces. What is the probability that the pieces will form a triangle?
1/4.

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scrabbler

@bs0409 said:
Abbe kamina.....Ye sawal bachche logo ke liye hai....Tere jaise experienced logo ke liye nahi........!!!!!!!!!Tu ye solve kar1)A stick is randomly broken into 3 pieces. What is the probability that the pieces will form a triangle?
Suppose a stick is broken in 3 parts (x1, x2, x3).
the only way that these can form a triangle if max(x1,x2,x3)
and x1+x2+x3=1
Prob ( max(X1, X2, 1- X1-X2)
{Consider the X1, X2 as X-Y axis and draw the diagram with 1-X1-X2 as a line}
@scrabbler said:
7?251/18?regardsscrabbler
bhai yeh dono sawalo ka approach post karo.. i am not comfortable with this base system conversion.. koi short-cut hai kya?
@karl said:
Suppose a stick is broken in 3 parts (x1, x2, x3). the only way that these can form a triangle if max(x1,x2,x3) and x1+x2+x3=1 Prob ( max(X1, X2, 1- X1-X2) {Consider the X1, X2 as X-Y axis and draw the diagram with 1-X1-X2 as a line}
could you elaborate with the XY axis diagram? i am not able to visualize it.. Kindly help me understand your approach
@bs0409 said:
Shld be (36*4+24*3+4*2)/64C2=1/9
Numerator mein you have taken ordered pairs. So denominator should be 64P2 na?

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scrabbler

@bs0409 said:
OA-12Two cards are drawn together from a pack of 52 cards. The probability that one is a spade and one is a heart, is: A)3/20B)29/34C)47/100D)13/102
13/102.
@bs0409 said:
Shld be (36*4+24*3+4*2)/64C2=1/9
same.
4 share 2 sides.
6 on each side share 3 sides. so taking 4 sides will be 24*3
and 36 the mddle ones which share 4 sides. ...

so... 1/9?

@scrabbler said:
Numerator mein you have taken ordered pairs. So denominator should be 64P2 na?regardsscrabbler
...see.. this is what i fear in Pnc... story mein bin baat k twist.
@amresh_maverick said:
1> What is the no of three digit perfect squares that exist in base 5 system ?2> Two 1 X 1 squares are selected on a 8X8 chessboard. Prob that the selected squares have a common side ?PS: Dinner time
@iLoveTorres said:
bhai yeh dono sawalo ka approach post karo.. i am not comfortable with this base system conversion.. koi short-cut hai kya?
Not really a short cut. I just thought - to be a 3-digit number in a base x, the number (in base 10) should lie in the range [x^2, x^3) in this case, [25, 125) so squares from 5 till 11 = 7 values.

Chessboard, looked at the squares as ordered pairs. Total 64 * 63 ways of selecting. But in the numerator, 1st square could be a corner (having 2 squares sharing a border) or a side (3 ditto) or an interior square (4 ditto). So 4 * 2 + 24 * 3 + 36 * 4 = 224 out of 64 * 63 which gave me 1/18.

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scrabbler

@scrabbler said:
1/4.regardsscrabbler
@karl said:
Suppose a stick is broken in 3 parts (x1, x2, x3). the only way that these can form a triangle if max(x1,x2,x3) and x1+x2+x3=1 Prob ( max(X1, X2, 1- X1-X2) {Consider the X1, X2 as X-Y axis and draw the diagram with 1-X1-X2 as a line}

The answer I have is 1/4.....
@ChirpiBird said:
...see.. this is what i fear in Pnc... story mein bin baat k twist.
Ordered, then ordered na....must be consistent....I am not 100% sure in this case mind you :)

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scrabbler

@karl said:
Suppose a stick is broken in 3 parts (x1, x2, x3). the only way that these can form a triangle if max(x1,x2,x3) and x1+x2+x3=1 Prob ( max(X1, X2, 1- X1-X2) {Consider the X1, X2 as X-Y axis and draw the diagram with 1-X1-X2 as a line}
Don't forget that your sample space is a triangle bounded by x+y = 1 with area 1/2. So P will be (1/8 / 1/2) = 1/4.

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scrabbler

@scrabbler said:
Don't forget that your sample space is a triangle bounded by x+y = 1 with area 1/2. So P will be (1/8 / 1/2) = 1/4.regardsscrabbler
Geez that's true.
@amresh_maverick said:
1> What is the no of three digit perfect squares that exist in base 5 system ?2> Two 1 X 1 squares are selected on a 8X8 chessboard. Prob that the selected squares have a common side ?PS: Dinner time
1. 7
2. 1/14 (divide in columns of 2 each,
We have 4X2 = 8 columns.
Consider each sections of 2 conseutive columns,
Horizontally we can select 8 pairs, Vertically 8 pairs and diagonally 7X2= 14 pairs.
Total 8+8+14 = 30 pairs.

We have 7 such grids of 2 consecutive columns each,
so total pairs = 30X7 = 210.

Prob.= 210/64c2 = 210*2/ 64*63 = 30/32*9= 10/96= 5/48


@karl said:
Geez that's true.

I didn't get the max wala condition.

The condition shld be

x1+x2>x3
x1+x3>x2
x2+x3>x1

From here how do u get the max condition.......
@bs0409 said:
I didn't get the max wala condition.The condition shld bex1+x2>x3x1+x3>x2x2+x3>x1From here how do u get the max condition.......
If any of the side is > 1/2 then the sum of other two sides will be

Another way to derive the condition is.
x1+x2 > x3 i.e x1+x2+x3 > 2x3 i.e 1 >2x3 i.e x3
since x3 can be any of the three sides, so max(x1,x2,x3)
@Ibanez said:
1. 72. 1/14 (divide in columns of 2 each,We have 4X2 = 8 columns. Consider each sections of 2 conseutive columns,Horizontally we can select 8 pairs, Vertically 8 pairs and diagonally 7X2= 14 pairs.Total 8+8+14 = 30 pairs.We have 7 such grids of 2 consecutive columns each,so total pairs = 30X7 = 210.Prob.= 210/64c2 = 210*2/ 64*63 = 30/32*9= 10/96= 5/48
Diagonal don't have a common side?

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scrabbler

@bs0409 said:
I didn't get the max wala condition.The condition shld bex1+x2>x3x1+x3>x2x2+x3>x1From here how do u get the max condition.......
Total is 1. So any side should be not more than 1/2 else no triangle...

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scrabbler

@iLoveTorres said:
bhai yeh dono sawalo ka approach post karo.. i am not comfortable with this base system conversion.. koi short-cut hai kya?
in base system 10 no of three digit nos.is 10^2 till 10^3-1 similarly in every base system d same pattern is followed so in base 5 is 5^2 to 5^3-1..hope it helps!!
@scrabbler said:
Diagonal don't have a common side?regardsscrabbler
Oh crap..common "side" it is. Then no diagonals.
Then it should be
16*7= 112 pairs.
112/64c2 = 224/64*63 = 1/18