Do you think Van Bronckhorst was worth only 2 million. And do you expect Arsene to do so when he was purchased for hefty 8.5 million? Fabregas + 2 million was exact price for which Van Bronckhorst was sold. BTW where will he adjust in Barca's setup. Xavi,Iniesta,Messi irreplaceable. Other two(Pedro +Villa ) are striker while Biscuit is box to box midfielder. And how is his chance of breaking in NT more if he doesn't get first team football. Had cesc stayed in Barca, he would not have got first team opportunities. I dont have any problem in selling Cesc but Barca need to shell out decent amount of money not some 30 million quid.
buddy Van Bronckhorst was transferred to Barca for a loan deal with an option to sign him permanent at the end of season.. he was never in AW's plans.. he wanted to play as a LB and Ashley Cole was the 1st choice then and with lots of injury issues he faced and lot of competition in midfield he wasnt happy at Arsenal.. mind u he was 28 then and no player at the age of 28 would want to sit on bench regularly when he can get more game time sumwhere else and that too in his preferred position..
He made 34 appeances for Barcelona on loan and after being transfered 29 next season which were almost double the 15-18 apperances he made at Arsenal a season before going on loan
buddy Fabregas will get game time.. 1 either of Xavi and Iniesta will be rested in less important games and Iniesta and Xavi dnt play the whole season as they get injuries too esp Iniesta
He will surely get 15-20 games as start 10-15 more as a subs..!! so that will be enough for a season to keep him happy at Barca..
Why i said NT bcz the core of midfield that plays for Spainish NT is from Barca the more he is gelled with that team more chances or appreances or starts he will get for NT.. though i knw Silva and Javi Martinez also are a setup of Spain's NT along with Mata , Torres and Llorente
30-35 Million + Bojan or Affelay will clinch the deal. No way in the world he is worth 50-60 M which Arsenal are demanding..
P.S. Sorry no offence meant to Fabregas or Arsenal..!!
Agree with Ashish! It'll be a tragedy for Arsenal if the management sells Fabregas for anything less than say 40-50 million (maybe cash or cash+player deal).I mean Andrew Carroll was worth 35million for god's sake. And the day he leaves the gunners Wenger will have a tough job on his hands trying to fill his boots with someone else.
Really respect Cesc as a player and as a professional. He could have made it an ugly race but he showed his loyalty and love for Arsenal. Sadly for the gunners supporters and EPL in general, he will move to Barca sooner or later.
P.S - Don't think Barca will make Mascha a part of the deal though 😉
take ronaldo for eg: madrid desperate to challenge barca after later had formed a very special team, once in decade. So ready to land ronaldo at any price. today if ronaldo decides to come back to manutd, will they shell out 80 million or more. No way, I guess, not even more than 50 m bcoz the club is not desperate to fill out winger position.
To be honest, we might see manutd paying more than necessary for a CM especially if he is well known like modric, sneijder. This doesn't mean that they deserve it.
Aquilani is coming back after new Juve manager clarified to the board that after bosman transfer of Pirlo they needn't spend such a hefty sum for Aquaman's services.....if he comes back that'd be gr8....but I don't think KK would like to take in a player who has, on repeated occasions wished to play in Italy.......but sincerely he's damn good comes to CM role deep lying..box to box midfielder with exceptional awareness his teammate's positioning
Aquilani is coming back after new Juve manager clarified to the board that after bosman transfer of Pirlo they needn't spend such a hefty sum for Aquaman's services.....if he comes back that'd be gr8....but I don't think KK would like to take in a player who has, on repeated occasions wished to play in Italy.......but sincerely he's damn good comes to CM role deep lying..box to box midfielder with exceptional awareness his teammate's positioning
I think that could mean the end of Charlie Adam's transfer to Anfield if it was ever to happen..!!
So Fabregas deserves only 15-20 starts a season. A world class CM will have only 15-20 starts in the season and that too in less important games. BTW in the same world ,injury ridden Kaka is world 50+ ,27 year old Torres is worth 50 and a newbie striker is worth 35. So anything less than 45 million should not be accepted. And we neither need Afellay whom Barca purchased for 3,4 million nor unwanted Bojan. 30 million + Mascherano is okay for me.;) and remember you never know Barcelona,they are no way better than RM or City when it comes to transfer. I remember van Bronckhorst being played in midfield at Arsenal but he never settled here. But Wenger of all manager never lets his players go for loss. Fabregas was part of the deal. And yes if Barca poaches from other laliga team(5 players from espanyol),no one points finger. Why double standard with us.
Arrey champ ... one thing I must tell you as far as I know Barca recruits player at 12 - 13 years of age when probably youngsters don't even start thinking of professional contract. Fab/Toral/Bellerin was recruited at 16 when in any other EU country, except Spain, a player can get professional contract. So when they take player from Espanyol no fuss was over there. About Kiko .. I think it is the player's wish as well. He has already spoken to to his agent about his desire to play in Barca even knowing that he will end up at B team. By the way, I don't mind Fab/Toral/Bellerin/many others in present and future moving out of La Masia for professional football but I mind if somebody denies Barca DNA. We train them and we shape them. It is something Barca has tried since Cruijff's time consciously and sincerely. I am really not sure how many teams including your favourite one has that philosophy and tried that constantly over a period of time. Thats why it is Barca DNA.
and about CESC... honestly ask any Barca fan 80 out of 100 will say they don't need him. Because we have replacements lined up in the form of Sergi Roberto, Thiago, Doeulefeu and Rafa. and I think Barca will not go above 30 + Bojan (with loan or perma-transfer with buyback clause). It is more of CESC's need to win trophies than Barca's (Look at Masch). XAVI can maintain this form for another two-three years. By this I never mean Arsenal won't win any trophy but a PL or CL may not be in immediate future.
PAUL SCHOLES has announced his retirement official
Yeah, sad day for football fans. He was one of the absolute best players of his generation. A legend and one of the most underrated footballers of his generation.
PAUL SCHOLES has announced his retirement official
He will be taking up a COACHING Role at Man Utd which is a very good thing for Pogba , Tunnicliffe and Morrison Co to be around the likes of Giggs and Scholes..!!
Thank You PAUL SCHOLES.. u were a treat to watch and to the game..!!
So Fabregas never wished to play for Arsenal or leave Barca. Wasn't that transfer with player's wish.
Why dont your players,your administrators give a thought for players like Merida. Why you guys remember only successfull players .Cesc may have ended with Barca B had he stayed with Barcelona.
That is what I meant. In BARCA they set the standard pretty high and only a 11 can get into top11. So what happens for other 49 guys (La Masia has a batch size in the range of 60)? They have every right to choose their own path.
Not a single player you mentioned have done anything incredible at big stage. They have been overrated massively by fellow cules. First let them reach the level of Xavi. Players like Gai Assulin also do have Barca DNA. you forget them easily. BTW why do your players comeup with Cesc and Barca DNA crap if you dont need him. Give me a single Cesc statement where he has said he wants to leave Arsenal for trophies.
I never said they are established but we see them high in the ranks. As I mentioned among 60 guys you don't find 60 capable of playing for the best. Guy Assulin was not among the bests.When he came he had shown the potential but never fulfilled. So it seems like we have to give all 60 a fair chance, and to some extent we give by giving them B team. Now if they don't do something to bring the spotlight to them what can we do? At the same time if another team shows interest in him, he joins that one. Its win-win for everybody, isn't it? Is it not reasonable to give chance only best 20 - 25 the first team chance at a particular time? Or is it possible to asses a 16 year old all the time?
and about forgetting the ones who served the team... ok let me tell you .. We respect all our previous players even including the likes of Hleb, Chiggy and Ibra even if they have not done incredible for us... but we all have seen how one french defender of Spurs were booed by Red and White fans a few weeks back (who happened to be their standout performers for years).
We do have enough respect for everybody .. just check how Barca including PEP gave guard of honor to SAF in CL.
P.S. Barca DNA is not a term coined specifically for showing how CESC fits in Barca. Its a term each and every successful La Masia grad can relate to. Now if you call it crap, it does not become a crap or does it?
I don't know as like many other, Why Madrid needs Coentrao. Don't they see they have Marcelo. Coentrao is particularly excellent so is Marcelo. In any case if he comes Marcelo will become a Benz and that will be very sad for football lovers.
This kind of polarization of stars really making this game predictable if not boring.
By the way, no one is talking about Spartak Moscow duo Willan and Doglas Costa.I think they will be Europe's top clubs this year. I just hope their talents have not gone unntoiced.
I hope the same for Axel Witsel .. He looks twice the player than Defour is in Belgium NT..!! Saw him in 2-3 matches.. He is an Arsenal fan and 22 yrs old would be a good signing for any good side..!!
That is what I meant. In BARCA they set the standard pretty high and only a 11 can get into top11. So what happens for other 49 guys (La Masia has a batch size in the range of 60)? They have every right to choose their own path.
I never said they are established but we see them high in the ranks. As I mentioned among 60 guys you don't find 60 capable of playing for the best. Guy Assulin was not among the bests.When he came he had shown the potential but never fulfilled. So it seems like we have to give all 60 a fair chance, and to some extent we give by giving them B team. Now if they don't do something to bring the spotlight to them what can we do? At the same time if another team shows interest in him, he joins that one. Its win-win for everybody, isn't it? Is it not reasonable to give chance only best 20 - 25 the first team chance at a particular time? Or is it possible to asses a 16 year old all the time?
and about forgetting the ones who served the team... ok let me tell you .. We respect all our previous players even including the likes of Hleb, Chiggy and Ibra even if they have not done incredible for us... but we all have seen how one french defender of Spurs were booed by Red and White fans a few weeks back (who happened to be their standout performers for years).
We do have enough respect for everybody .. just check how Barca including PEP gave guard of honor to SAF in CL.
P.S. Barca DNA is not a term coined specifically for showing how CESC fits in Barca. Its a term each and every successful La Masia grad can relate to. Now if you call it crap, it does not become a crap or does it?
AS far as for players u mentioned Thiago Alcantara will be 1 of Xavi or Iniesta's replacement in future..!! He is an awesum passer of the ball with a superb vision..!! i have seen him play and boy o boy he has lloads of potential and talent..!!
and about forgetting the ones who served the team... ok let me tell you .. We respect all our previous players even including the likes of Hleb, Chiggy and Ibra even if they have not done incredible for us... but we all have seen how one french defender of Spurs were booed by Red and White fans a few weeks back (who happened to be their standout performers for years).
We do have enough respect for everybody .. just check how Barca including PEP gave guard of honor to SAF in CL.
P.S. Barca DNA is not a term coined specifically for showing how CESC fits in Barca. Its a term each and every successful La Masia grad can relate to. Now if you call it crap, it does not become a crap or does it?
First of all, William Gallas was never standout performer for us.He is a decent player,nothing more than that. I know you respect players like Ibra who has been vocal about Pep in recent past. Yes, your respect for Figo was exemplary. PIGHEAD. I hope you remember. You have compared your guard of honour to SAF with boo of Gallas. SAF is the most successful English Manager.He has won everything that club football has to offer. He is respected everywhere. But Gallas left a club to join rival club. What does he deserve.
Its a massive boost for Chelsea and Man Utd to snap him up..!!:D:D He is the man to replace Scholes for me..!! not Sneijder..
P.S. If Arsenal are gonna sell Fabregas why not try to lure this guy to Emirates a midfield of Wilshere and Modric would be a dream midfield combination..;);)
I would be disappointed if sneijder is signed bcoz united have 2 young CAM at the start of next season: anderson and cleverly.Also rooney and ravel can play as CAM too. Modric would be good addition, but i have negative feeling since none of previous signings from tottenham namely berbatov and carrick have performed consistently every season.Modric is quality but gets tired easily, seen when tottenham played against chelsea.
Other signings I am quite eager to happen to see them in preseason with other young players from youth academy
Modric with ever runnig and fit Fletcher will be a good CM partnership.. his work will be cut out..!! Modric doesnt usually gets tired Anderson does as he is overweight plus Cleverley will be deployed more on the wings esp LW as at Wigan..!!
Modric is the missing link in our midfield.. and no need to worry abt CAM as we have Rooney in that position..!! but if Rooney plays in that position and berbatov is sold and Owen released expect a Striker too be signed..!!
Cleverley and Welbeck wont be in the pre season tour so will be the case wid Smalling due to U21 Euro Championshiip..!!
today 'nly i watched the the replay of the final match. great to see my man villa scored a goal:clap:. don't forget to see the fantastic pics in the following link. UEFA Champions League - Photos ? UEFA.com
@Shaun Modric came to Tottenham for 16mill and he was largely unproven at the highest level and there were huge question marks over his abilities to handle the physical side of the game when he went there. There is no way he is moving for a fee as low as 25 mill now when he is a proven midfielder and has a signed a long term contract recently. Minimum 35 mill for a move.
First of all, William Gallas was never standout performer for us.He is a decent player,nothing more than that. I know you respect players like Ibra who has been vocal about Pep in recent past. Yes, your respect for Figo was exemplary. PIGHEAD. I hope you remember. You have compared your guard of honour to SAF with boo of Gallas. SAF is the most successful English Manager.He has won everything that club football has to offer. He is respected everywhere. But Gallas left a club to join rival club. What does he deserve.
Aaah,, I think the case of Figo is well explained by you yourself when you write about your idea about Gallas.
Btw, when I wrote I never thought that I am putting SAF and Gallas at the same podium. Unintentional that was.
@Shaun Modric came to Tottenham for 16mill and he was largely unproven at the highest level and there were huge question marks over his abilities to handle the physical side of the game when he went there. There is no way he is moving for a fee as low as 25 mill now when he is a proven midfielder and has a signed a long term contract recently. Minimum 35 mill for a move.
20-25 M + Berbatov will be equivalent to 35 M+ i guess...!! They need a goal scorer badly so it mite clinch the deal..!!
