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mind blowing questions....@quant - 12-04-2005, 10:05 PM

hello people.......i call here all those who just love solving sexy questions( no pun intended)here's 1 for u....

there is a tetrahedron in which the four faces are equilateral triangles......insphere and circumsphere of this tetrahedron are drawn.....a sphere of largest size is fit in the spaces awailable between four faces of the tetrahedron and circumsphere.... that means four more spheres are drawn...one each in the four spaces....if a point inside the circumsphere is chosen randomly then what is the probability that it lies in one of the five smaller spheres...

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solution - 12-04-2005, 10:37 PM

The probablity will be

(combined area of 5 spheres)
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(area of the circumsphere)

to get the funda assume 2D surface first
therefore incircle implies insphere
circumcircle implies circumsphere
Equilateral triangle implies the tetrahedron

assume redius of circumcircle as R
the radius of incircle is R/3
the radius of the four spheres outside the tetrahedron is also R/3
because in the 2D figure distance form the midpoint of the base of the trangle to the circumference of the circle is 2R/3 (i.e.; R - R/3)

so the total volume of the 5 spheres is
5 * (4/3 *pie * (R/3)^3)

area of the circumsphere is ofcourse 4/3 * pie*R^3

so u get the probablity as 5/27 as all the varibles and pie get cancelled.

hope I am correct. and hope this helps.

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hello people.......i call here all those who just love solving sexy questions( no pun intended)here's 1 for u....

there is a tetrahedron in which the four faces are equilateral triangles......insphere and circumsphere of this tetrahedron are drawn.....a sphere of largest size is fit in the spaces awailable between four faces of the tetrahedron and circumsphere.... that means four more spheres are drawn...one each in the four spaces....if a point inside the circumsphere is chosen randomly then what is the probability that it lies in one of the five smaller spheres...

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doubts - 13-04-2005, 12:06 AM

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The probablity will be

(combined area of 5 spheres)
------------------------------------------
(area of the circumsphere)

to get the funda assume 2D surface first
therefore incircle implies insphere
circumcircle implies circumsphere
Equilateral triangle implies the tetrahedron

assume redius of circumcircle as R
the radius of incircle is R/3
the radius of the four spheres outside the tetrahedron is also R/3
because in the 2D figure distance form the midpoint of the base of the trangle to the circumference of the circle is 2R/3 (i.e.; R - R/3)

so the total volume of the 5 spheres is
5 * (4/3 *pie * (R/3)^3)

area of the circumsphere is ofcourse 4/3 * pie*R^3

so u get the probablity as 5/27 as all the varibles and pie get cancelled.

hope I am correct. and hope this helps.

well well well....i have a doubt here srihari..... in 2-D, the ratio of radii of circumcircle and incircle is 2:1 and not 3:1...if u remember radius of circumcircle is a/sqrt3 and that of incircle is a/2sqrt3.........a little more xplanation please.......
   
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a new question...........??????? - 13-04-2005, 12:16 AM

hey guys........lets solve this question from the topic analytical reasoning.......

the centres of each of the six inner faces of a room are nailed....we have threads of two different colours-Blue and Red......each of these nails is to be attatched with every other nail by choosing one of these coloured threads.......can we attatch these nails in such a fashion that in all the thread triangles formed, none has all the three sides of same colour....If yes, why and if no, why no...

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13-04-2005, 07:50 AM

dude u are right, silly of me...
a few slight changes...
Just assume the lenght of the median of the eq triangle to be R
now radius of the circumcircle is 2R/3
radius of incircle is R/3
ardius of the 4 outer spheres is also R/3

the new probablity is 5/8


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well well well....i have a doubt here srihari..... in 2-D, the ratio of radii of circumcircle and incircle is 2:1 and not 3:1...if u remember radius of circumcircle is a/sqrt3 and that of incircle is a/2sqrt3.........a little more xplanation please.......
   
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13-04-2005, 10:26 AM

Referring to image:


Or alternatively you can view image at:
http://img182.echo.cx/img182/5145/trtrahedron8pt.jpg


In here I'll try to derive the circu-radius and In-radius for Tetrahedron with following premises (this I don't think we need to prove):
1. The altitude form the top vertex intersect the bottom face (Equilateral Triangle) at its centroid.
2. The circum-center lies on the altitude defined above.


Let side of a face of TetraHedron ABCD = 1
BL (altitude to Triangle BCD) = sqrt(3)/2
BO = circumradius of Triangle BCD = 2/3 * BL = 1/sqrt(3)

In right triangle ABO (right angled at O)
AB = 1
AO^2 = AB^2-BO^2
AO = sqrt(2/3)

Now we need to find point P on line AO such that AP = BP (then P will be the cicumcenter of the tetrahedron)
let OP = x
AP^2 = (AO- BO)^2
BP^2 = OP^2 + BO^2
and AP^2 = BP^2
(sqrt(2/3) - x)^2 = x^2 + 1/3
2/3 - 2*x* sqrt(2/3) = 1/3
x= 1/6*sqrt(3/2) = 1/6*sqrt(6/4)=sqrt(6)/12

AP = AO - x
AO = sqrt(2/3) = sqrt(6/9)=sqrt(6)/3
AP = sqrt(6)/4

hence cicumradius = sqrt(6)/4
OP will become inradius as this is perpandicular distance of a face from centerof tetrahedron, radius(incirlce) = sqrt(6)/12


Small sphere diameter = circumradius-inradius (this will happen when you drop a perpandicular from center to either face) = sqrt(6)/6
radius (small circale) = sqrt(6)/12



probability = (4* radius (small circale)^3 + radius(incircle)^3)/ circumradius ^3 = 5/27
(Taking volumes)

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13-04-2005, 11:01 AM

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hey guys........lets solve this question from the topic analytical reasoning.......

the centres of each of the six inner faces of a room are nailed....we have threads of two different colours-Blue and Red......each of these nails is to be attatched with every other nail by choosing one of these coloured threads.......can we attatch these nails in such a fashion that in all the thread triangles formed, none has all the three sides of same colour....If yes, why and if no, why no...

enjoy and please post some really creepy questions... i love solving questions....

No you can't.
either you use only colour or Triangles are multicoloured.
total threads = C(6,2)= 15
total triangle = C(6,3) = 20
lets say first thread is red.
This iwll be used for next 4 traingles each got to be red.
These 4 will be used for next.... this way recusively every thread comes out be red. Not one thread can be blue otherwise traingles by that thread will not satisfy criteria.
   
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hello people.......i call here all those who just love solving sexy questions( no pun intended)here's 1 for u....

there is a tetrahedron in which the four faces are equilateral triangles......insphere and circumsphere of this tetrahedron are drawn.....a sphere of largest size is fit in the spaces awailable between four faces of the tetrahedron and circumsphere.... that means four more spheres are drawn...one each in the four spaces....if a point inside the circumsphere is chosen randomly then what is the probability that it lies in one of the five smaller spheres...

have fun solving this question....
how about this...

Q) If a point on the cimcumsphere is chosen randomly, then what is the probability that it lies on on the five inspheres ??

any answers??
   
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hello people.......i call here all those who just love solving sexy questions( no pun intended)here's 1 for u....

there is a tetrahedron in which the four faces are equilateral triangles......insphere and circumsphere of this tetrahedron are drawn.....a sphere of largest size is fit in the spaces awailable between four faces of the tetrahedron and circumsphere.... that means four more spheres are drawn...one each in the four spaces....if a point inside the circumsphere is chosen randomly then what is the probability that it lies in one of the five smaller spheres...

have fun solving this question....
shouldnt the probability in this case be = (Volume of 5 inspheres combibed)
divided by (Volume of circumsphere)

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shouldnt the probability in this case be = (Volume of 5 inspheres combibed)
divided by (Volume of circumsphere)

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yes it will be volume ..
Thanx for pointing out..
I edited my answer in the post above.
   
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