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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 08-08-2009, 01:41 PM

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This is a common Q, however i am stuck at the approach. Why 1 method works and the other doesnt.
Q > Find the number of triangles whose vertices are vertices of an octagon but none of the sides of such triangle are taken from the sides of the octagon.

My approach >
the Q can be visualized as the number of ways of choosing vertices so that no two are consecutive. If the vertices are a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h and i pick "a" then let there be X1 vertices between "a" and the next vertices. Similarly X2 be the number of vertices b/w 2nd & 3rd vertices and X3 be number of vertices between 3rd and first vertex. In that case, X1+X2+X3 = 5 -------------- (1)
the number of ways vertices can be chosen will be equal to the number of solution of the eq1 sbove. where x1,x2,x3 > 0
Let x1 = y1 + 1, X2 = Y2 + 1, X3 = Y3 + 1.
then eq 1 changes to Y1+Y2+Y3 = 2, (y1,Y2,y3>=0)
And the number of ways of solving eq2 (by the book) is (2+3-1)C(3-1) = 4C2 = 6.
Also the number of vertices can be chosen in 8 ways ...
so total num of ways = 6*8 = 48.
But the answer given in the book is 16 & their approach is also different.

Any feedback on where my approach is wrong ?
If you want i can also post the solution given in the book but please also hav a look at my approach above and please tell me where i am mistaken. Thank you.
I think the approach should be
choose 3 pints from 8 points = 8c3 = 56
choose 3 points such 2 sides are side of the octagon = 8
choose 3 points such that 1 side is side of octagon = 4c1 * 8 = 32
so total 56 - 32 -8 = 40
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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 08-08-2009, 01:55 PM

Hi ... the solution of the Octagon sum i posted above :

Acc to the book >
reqd number of triangles = total triangles - (triangle with 1 side common with octagon) - (triangle with 2 sides common with octagon)\
= 8C3 - (8C1*4C1) - 8 = 16 Ans.

Pls help.thank you.

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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 08-08-2009, 01:59 PM

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I think the approach should be
choose 3 pints from 8 points = 8c3 = 56
choose 3 points such 2 sides are side of the octagon = 8
choose 3 points such that 1 side is side of octagon = 4c1 * 8 = 32
so total 56 - 32 -8 = 40
Hi,
Thanks for your solution but the book has a diff solution altogether
Can you please tell me where my approach is incorrect ? thnx.
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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 03:02 AM

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Please explain these questions step by step.....
1) How many numbers of four digits can be formed with the digits 0, 1, 2, 3 (repetition of digits not allowed) ?
(a) 6
(b) 8
(c) 2
(d) 14

2) In how many ways can Ram choose a vowel and a consonant from the letters of the word ALLAHABAD?
(a) 4
(b) 6
(c) 9
(d) 5

3) A set of 15 different words are given .In how many ways is it possible to choose a subset of not more than 5 words ?
(a) 4944
(b) 4^15
(c) 15^4
(d) 4943

4)There are ten subjects in the school day at St. Vincent's High school, but the sixth standard students have only 5 periods in a day. In how many ways can we form a time table for the day for the sixth standard students ?
(a) 5^10
(b) 10^5
(c) 252
(d) 30,240

5)Out of 18 points in a plane,no three are in a straight line except 5 which are collinear. How many straight lines can be formed ?

6)How many 7-digit nos. are there having the digit 3 three times and the digit 0 four times ?
1 ans its 3*3*2*1 = 18
2 ans its 1( since only one vowel is being repeated) * 4(L not to be counted twice)
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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 05:17 PM

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Ummm its my first post....sorry if I am interrupting the thread/any discussion flow.....still fumbling to find way in pagalguy...great forum!

Well... I have a doubt in PnC and would be great if it could be solved here.

Ques is "How many four-digit odd numbers can be formed,such that every 3 in the number is followed by a 6?"

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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 05:24 PM

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Hi...

Ummm its my first post....sorry if I am interrupting the thread/any discussion flow.....still fumbling to find way in pagalguy...great forum!

Well... I have a doubt in PnC and would be great if it could be solved here.

Ques is "How many four-digit odd numbers can be formed,such that every 3 in the number is followed by a 6?"

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xxxx-->8*9*9*4 = 2592 (excluding 3)
36xx --> 9*4 = 36
x36x --> 9* 4 = 36
hence total = 2664...is this the ans?


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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 06:54 PM

Hi...

The answer given is 2696.

U missed this combination shanks4mba 3x6x= 10*4=40

I think I got the knack of it from your reply....

We are counting 3361,3365,3367 and 3369 twice (in 3x6x as well as x36x)

Similarly 3661,3665,3667,3669 is counted in 36xx as well as 3x6x.

So answer should be 2592+36+36+40-8=2696.

But what I dont get is why are we considering the combination of 4 digit nos that exclude 3( i.e 2592)

Acc to ques we have to form nos which has 3 followed by 6....isn't it so?

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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 07:05 PM

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Hi...

Ummm its my first post....sorry if I am interrupting the thread/any discussion flow.....still fumbling to find way in pagalguy...great forum!

Well... I have a doubt in PnC and would be great if it could be solved here.

Ques is "How many four-digit odd numbers can be formed,such that every 3 in the number is followed by a 6?"

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The number can be of form
xxxx = 8*9*9*4 = 2592
36xx = 9*4 = 36
3x6x = 9*4 = 36
x36x = 8*4 = 32

So Total = 2696......
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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 07:22 PM

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Hi...

The answer given is 2696.

U missed this combination shanks4mba 3x6x= 10*4=40

I think I got the knack of it from your reply....

We are counting 3361,3365,3367 and 3369 twice (in 3x6x as well as x36x)

Similarly 3661,3665,3667,3669 is counted in 36xx as well as 3x6x.

So answer should be 2592+36+36+40-8=2696.

But what I dont get is why are we considering the combination of 4 digit nos that exclude 3( i.e 2592)

Acc to ques we have to form nos which has 3 followed by 6....isn't it so?
You are correct....some numbers are counted twice....
But you need to consider numbers without 3 since the question is numbers if there is 3 followed by 6...
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Re: doubts in permutation & combination - 09-08-2009, 07:25 PM

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answer is (1/4 + 1/4) / (3*1/4) = 2/3

hence (3)
y 3*1/4 ? can u please elaborate upon?


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