[gaurav200x]

Hi Sampy....
please don't mix the topics.... the last topic was closed and the discussion is on the current... please follow that order...


As for the punishment, i believe that death sentence would not be ideal to award although, if one seems to look from the victim's point of view, it might seem justified...

To analyse, lets first take the criminal point of view.... the criminals are usually in the age of 25-30 (0r 35) and are the sex deprieved people who intend to fulfill their desires on any female soul they see.. 0r they can be some pervert lunatic who is highly obsessed with B grade movies and wants to fulfill some dirty fantasy.... These people can become rapists conciously/semi conciously, i.e. when they indulge in the act, they may not realise the aftermaths or the effect on the victim. Hence, for such people death sentence is a mighty blow which ends their lives altogether without giving them any chance to improve... Often such people drift away from their moral values due to the effect of obscene cinema and commit such heinous act.
Secondly, looking at the affected side or the victim, one can't the deny the possibility of a girl using a false rape charge against a man to get him convicted, even though he may be absolutely innocent.

Hence death sentence can't be justified. I feel even rigourous life imprisonment isn't enough... If the public has to be made bolder, then the criminal should be publicaly disgraced so that he realises the type of humiliation the girl goes through. Once large scale examples are set up, it will educate the youth about the hideousness of the crime... and a fear will be setup amongst those who try to indulge themselves in such activities. Secondly, laws should be made much more strict so that the victim should be able to testify rather easily and police gets greater power in its hands.

Also, women should also bear a few things in mind... sometimes wearing provocative clothing is the chief reason for rape and hence they should not forget their cultural values.... Women should be trained in self defence techniques like martial arts, moving together in groups and maybe also using pepper spray in times of difficulty....

[KAYOSS]

Originally Posted by pratset

should death sentence be awarded to rapists
hmm this is goin to take a while.
but the expected pleas in favour of it would be everything from trauma of a woman, to illegal issue, to her future standing in society, to the ethical issue and most probably everyone will believe in death sentences for rapists (and so do i)

But lets see if there is something more worse than a death sentence because the crime demands for it. A simple death sentence wouldnt be of much help to the victim. Instead how bout life imprisonment(or till the age of 60-70) with severe punishments, beatings etc i.e make the criminals life a living hell. Then show this to the world to be a lesson for others to deter them.(ofcourse here will be raised the issue of human rights etc but tell them to look at victims side too).
For the respectful rapist another thing that can be done is to humiliate him publicily(like i said this would work only if he is a respectable person)
Lets just say that the death sentence may not assuage the victim as much as a rigorous life imprisonment may.

Any societal need, legal or otherwise, to 'punish' stems from its primal instinct for revenge. Do worse to bad, to put it in other words.
We often think that 'good' is hating what is bad. What is bad, is the hating mind itself.

Another take - for arguments (read discussions) sake...in a country like India, where the instance of rape is high, and presupposing the fact that the present conviction rates improve (which they should, in any case)...what is the cost - monetary and infrastructural - involved in housing these rapists? Because you need to realise, that even if you flog and keep someone chained to a stake all day, to which you have no right to in the very first place, you will need to money to feed these INDIVIDUALS and enough places to incarcerate them.

And how is it exactly that making an INDIVIDUALS life a 'Living Hell', as you so discreetly put it, will deter 'future' or 'to be' rapists? This is not a predisposition or right-under-the-skin condition, if at all I can term it that. Rapists are at the end of the day a part of the very society you want to 'deter'.
Wars have not stopped people from fighting.

*Mull on that. Expect to get torn to bits on this *

[gaurav200x]

Hi Friends,
I found a very interesting article on our current topic and thought might as well share it with u guys.

Here is the link....

[sumitkhemani]

a good point , but i do not agree on the part that wearing provocative clothing is the chief reason for rape . if we follow the statistics closely we will realise that most of the women raped are done so when they are decently dressed ... moreover in most of the cases the act is committed by a person whom they knew from before (like a friend of theirs) .
i think people should be educated right from there childhood . sex education must be made a compulsory part of the curriculum . recently we had so many cases of juveniles ( 14 - 15 years old ) raping girls ageing 5-8 yrs . now what punishment can be given to such juveniles who on the first hand never understood how sordid the crime was . the right method lies in the junta to realise how heinous such a crime is .
But again , there shouldn't be any leniency in the case of people who were mentally normal and mature enough to realise what they were doing . for such people the punishment should not anything less than a death sentence. this would also install fear among the potential rapists , and would act as a deterrent for them . only if one knew that he will not be able do get away with what he does , would he refrain from doing so ..

[gaurav200x]

sumit, i agree with ur points as well.... and this is a fact that the max no. of rapists are the ones who have been known/close to the victim.... but this is another fact that wearing provocative clothes can also harness such feelings in the culprit.... I don't think i need to explain this any further.... u should be able to analyse this mentally.

[Maverick Param]

Originally Posted by gaurav200x

sumit, i agree with ur points as well.... and this is a fact that the max no. of rapists are the ones who have been known/close to the victim.... but this is another fact that wearing provocative clothes can also harness such feelings in the culprit.... I don't think i need to explain this any further.... u should be able to analyse this mentally.

Death sentences should not be awarded to teh rapists as that does not serve any purpose. The basic purpose of giving a death penalty is not to stop that person from commiting crime in future but to crerate a fear in the minds of people as to wat the consequences would b...
In the cas eof rapists...... most of them are mature enough to realize what they are doin and what conseuences they may face..... and if a person is still indulging in these activities then that means that the person has become so much psychic that.....he's nt afraidof nething and thus......fear of death penlaty wud just not exist.

[madmax1980]

i think , on one hand as we want the person to suffer for what he did, on the other hand we want others with such animal desires be scared,lookin at the punishment.coz sometime ,u just cannot educate all of them,so i think the fear of the punishment shud be implanted in them so they think twice b4 commitin such a crime.provocative dressin or not,rapes r takin place, and we cannot ignore the fact.death penalty on one hand will definitely not b enogh for the criminal,as the victim has become a livin carcass,so i think tryin to inflict as much pain to that person and make people aware that this awaits u if u try the same will to some extent help in the control.as people think they can buy their way out of everythin so ,it shud b taken care that that doesent happen,at times no one speaks up, as they think this doesent involve me anyway so why shud i b an unwanted witness,this i think is a huge mistake as they r waitin for the danger to come to their home where they cud hav fought it outside.

[fera]

is the death punishment for rapsits justified?
the sentence issued by the court must not only deliver justice to the victim it must also send a message to society that such crimes or actions bear dreadful consequence for the person commiting it.
most of the crimes in rural india go unreported (due to the social stigma associated)and those reported take time to reach conclusion,most of the time the victim undergoes further humiliation and trauma.
in such a scenario,judges will also need concrete evidence and a clear understanding of the victims trauma before they would resolve to a drastic measure of awarding a death sentence.thus complicatiog the system for the cases usually are reported without much forensic evidence or witnesses.hence,the judge might not issue such a sentence.
now considering it is made mandotary for the court to award a death sentence for rape,it at times might cause the criminals to feel that any number of crimes,after a rape, might lead to same verdict.thus abetting crime.
someone pointed out that clothes might provoke ,a punishment must also clear the notion that-promiscusity is not an invitation for rape
this will discourage people from not only doing it but also a warning to others who support the crime and the criminal.
i belive a sentence which considers the people who supported(not-witnessing,traumatising the victim)also criminal along with the major culprit,the rapist,is more effective than a death sentence

[gaurav200x]

I think all the points given for the discussion are pretty much. Rapes happen despite girls dressing provocatively, although provocative dressing is a reason too. I feel, laws should be made such that the criminal mindset be punished rather than the criminal. For instance, if it can be proved that the convict tried to forge false evidence to escape the punishment, when he is gulity, 5 additional years of imprisonment shuld be awarded. In fact, the convict is a hardened culprit who has already committed this sin earlier, should be awarded death penalty... This way, laws can be framed so that we can deal with such mindset in a far reaching way....

[the zorro]

there is another important point we might be missing out. we all are thinking from the victims point of view. its understandable that everyone sympathises with the victim because of the trauma a victim goes through and almost everyone wants to torture the accused.

But can we rule out the possibility that some women might hav concentual sex with a man n later on accusses him of rape.(the motive cud be anything ...blackmailing or revenge).
i wonder how the accused in such a case prove that he is not guilty

in that case, if death senetnce is awarded to rapist,an innocent man miight be hanged.

so i think the sentence shud be sumething like rigorous imprisionment which can later be cancelled if a man turns out be innocent.