[jain.er]

The whole ambience and the staying at IITK was the best part. it looked like a big resort kind of a place. I watched India Beat Newzealand at hostel TV room on aSony Wga 39 inches , read evey damm news papper available at Kanpur at the reading room...eat at canteen (Yaar Rs 5 ka allooo parantha khaaye huee zaman ho gaya , here at pune we eat Rs 20 wala , woh bhi ek dum bekar)...eat the Mess....

The honeymoon ends here let me give a reality check :

1. IIT Kanpur . One of the best institue in the world ...for for for ... BTECH
MBA is not even a department here as in the case of IITD and IITM is undet vat....
Its under Industrial Engineering deppt at Btech Dept.. such a pity...subservient to under grads

2. kanpur , one of the oldest town of india..very poor infra of the city..no industried to boast of except for few tannries... infact it is a dying town....rest you ppl are intelligent

3. Good place for operations...bad for finance (ppl were offered marketing profile..no banks came....Pladement in cos like PFC)

4. The average workex was more then 33 months ..now with that kind of a workEx av. pakage of 8 lacs , I personally find a bit less.

5. Now come to the process part....

First I had my VIVA VOCE (are you perplexed to see VIVA written of here well at least in my case it was not not a PI from any angle...cosists of all possible tech questions from my btech)

Then it was a case study (It was a good process but the seniors were also present there I hope they were not involved in giving marks to candidates ...)


The above post was an effort to present the picture form the other angle , do not take it otherwise...I throughly respect IITK , its a great centre of learning hope in the fututre it removes all my doubs and issues....

Graons are welcomed......

[siddharth chawl]

Originally Posted by jain.er

The whole ambience and the staying at IITK was the best part. it looked like a big resort kind of a place. I watched India Beat Newzealand at hostel TV room on aSony Wga 39 inches , read evey damm news papper available at Kanpur at the reading room...eat at canteen (Yaar Rs 5 ka allooo parantha khaaye huee zaman ho gaya , here at pune we eat Rs 20 wala , woh bhi ek dum bekar)...eat the Mess....

The honeymoon ends here let me give a reality check :

1. IIT Kanpur . One of the best institue in the world ...for for for ... BTECH
MBA is not even a department here as in the case of IITD and IITM is undet vat....
Its under Industrial Engineering deppt at Btech Dept.. such a pity...subservient to under grads

2. kanpur , one of the oldest town of india..very poor infra of the city..no industried to boast of except for few tannries... infact it is a dying town....rest you ppl are intelligent

3. Good place for operations...bad for finance (ppl were offered marketing profile..no banks came....Pladement in cos like PFC)

4. The average workex was more then 33 months ..now with that kind of a workEx av. pakage of 8 lacs , I personally find a bit less.

5. Now come to the process part....

First I had my VIVA VOCE (are you perplexed to see VIVA written of here well at least in my case it was not not a PI from any angle...cosists of all possible tech questions from my btech)

Then it was a case study (It was a good process but the seniors were also present there I hope they were not involved in giving marks to candidates ...)


The above post was an effort to present the picture form the other angle , do not take it otherwise...I throughly respect IITK , its a great centre of learning hope in the fututre it removes all my doubs and issues....

Graons are welcomed......

Few plain facts that need to be cleared here so that aspirants are not misled by the information conveyed above.

1)MBA is under the purview of Industrial and Management engineering department and not Industrial engineering.

2)The department is not an undergrad department, it caters only to MBA,Mtech and P.hD students with the MBA students in a majority.

3)Any conclusions regarding specialisations is unwarranted without having sound info about the placement process. We have not yet released an official placement report and the comment that was inthe post above made only falls in sync with the market trends this time.

4)The average package is not 8 lacs p.a. The aspirants who had attended the presentation know what the actual statistic is. For those who didnt attend, average package stands at 8.88 lacs p.a. and that is an increase over the last year.

5)As far as PI is concerned, as an engineer you are expected to know your subjects well. And what is being gauged is your analytical ability rather than your answers.

6) And last but not the least, this is INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, a brand that stands for its talent and resouces. A brand of such repute doesnot permit evaluation of candidates by the students. Moreover with the experience of the faculty that was sitting there to evaluate you all, such questions should never arise.

All the best to you all.
We hope to see dedicated students in the batch of 2011 who can live upto the institute's repute.

Feel free to revert back with any queries.

[SureThisTime]

Hi
Its fine that you have expressed your opinion.
Let me clear your view of looking at the things.

Originally Posted by jain.er

The whole ambience and the staying at IITK was the best part. it looked like a big resort kind of a place. I watched India Beat Newzealand at hostel TV room on aSony Wga 39 inches , read evey damm news papper available at Kanpur at the reading room...eat at canteen (Yaar Rs 5 ka allooo parantha khaaye huee zaman ho gaya , here at pune we eat Rs 20 wala , woh bhi ek dum bekar)...eat the Mess....

The honeymoon ends here let me give a reality check :

1. IIT Kanpur . One of the best institue in the world ...for for for ... BTECH
MBA is not even a department here as in the case of IITD and IITM is undet vat....
Its under Industrial Engineering deppt at Btech Dept.. such a pity...subservient to under grads

Reemember that Its a passe that IITs are meant only for B. techs.
Had that been the case, you wouldn't have found so many big brand names coming for the MBAs. Gone are the days when IITs stood for the B. techs. They have turned into the institutes of educational excellence. Be it B. tech., MBA, M. tech., M. Sc. they churn out people who are very competitive. It is being proven since its inception.
Remember again that, being under the IME Department is no harm for us. Its as good as a DoMS.
In fact most of the companies refer to us as
IIT-K B School students
IIT-K Management students
IIT-K School of Management grads
MBA students of IME, IIT-K

Whats being reflected there more often? Is it your MBA or IME??
By the way, IME Department has more faculty/resources/books/popularity with corporates/opportunities for MBAs than M. tech/Ph.Ds

Originally Posted by jain.er

2. kanpur , one of the oldest town of india..very poor infra of the city..no industried to boast of except for few tannries... infact it is a dying town....rest you ppl are intelligent

Even for that matter Indore/Kozhikode don't have such luxury. But still they boast of corporate interaction.
Remember! corporate interaction means the managers at Sr. Management/Top brass of a leading organization. All such people come from cities. And its the same case with any B school irrespective of location.
Yeah, but what we tell you is that this interaction is a bit lower when compared to the B schools which are based out of Metros for the obvious reasons.
I guess you are also intelligent enough to understand the same.

Originally Posted by jain.er

3. Good place for operations...bad for finance (ppl were offered marketing profile..no banks came....Pladement in cos like PFC)

For that matter, the leading B schools of Finance too suffered from the same. The global scene is pathetic for finance and it reflected everywhere.
What you mean by the comments such as "ppl were offered marketing profile" & "Placement in the companies like PFC"?
Do you think that marketing roles/PFCs are damn to be thrown into bin.
Also does it mean that if no banks are seen for this year, the sheen of a B school is gone?
In that case, there are no investment banks at IIMs, barring one or two. Does it mean that IIMs have lost their glow in this sector?
Its not the concern about the questions you have raised, but its about your thinking process.
Not having an open mind when comes to such analyses will always lead to opinions which are biased in nature and will prompt you to take the decisions which might backfire you.
To add to this, I would ask to you to refer to the last year's placement report (of both finals & summers) and check how many banks were on board.

Originally Posted by jain.er

4. The average workex was more then 33 months ..now with that kind of a workEx av. pakage of 8 lacs , I personally find a bit less.

I guess we did it better as students from a few other B schools with more experience did notfind any job.They are done with the course and now passed without a job in hand. The open market condition is at its worse.

Originally Posted by jain.er

5. Now come to the process part....

First I had my VIVA VOCE (are you perplexed to see VIVA written of here well at least in my case it was not not a PI from any angle...cosists of all possible tech questions from my btech)

Then it was a case study (It was a good process but the seniors were also present there I hope they were not involved in giving marks to candidates ...)


The above post was an effort to present the picture form the other angle , do not take it otherwise...I throughly respect IITK , its a great centre of learning hope in the fututre it removes all my doubs and issues....

Graons are welcomed......

Well, I would ask you the following questions.
1. Why do you want to do your MBA?
2. What are your strengths?
3. What you want to do in life from 5 years from now?
...
...
I am pretty sure that you would give answers which are not yours. The answers to such questions have been framed after taking the help from a coaching center or have been from your mouth instead from your heart.
By the way, do you also beleive that you are the manager only when such questions are asked and when you have answered them?
Remember! one has to have strong fundamentals irrespective of whatever he/she is.
It is the beleif in the educational system & the institutes such as IITs/IIMs, the companies come to you, recruit you & train you. They believe that you have strong fundamentals and have the sufficient analytical/problem solving ability/communication to catch up fast in the race.
The vision of the program is to give Techno-Business managers to the industry. Nobody teaches you tech. stuff here. But a beleif in the candidate (after having a look at his/her fundamentals) that he/she can corelate the things and shift the thinking process from a techy side to management side.
This is the unparelled edge that you get as an Engineer. Thats why you see that most of the B schools have 70% as engineers. IITs are maintaining a niche & have 100% engineers.

So, start looking things from an open mind.

Even for that matter, lots have been said to us by PANDITS & ANALYSTS about IITs when we have come here for our GD/PIs 2 years back. We came here, saw the things with an open mind, got faith in the system and today we are in a better position.
And the same PANDITS & ANALYSTS congratulate us today for our JUDGMENT.

Good Luck.

[puri.pallavi]

Hi Guys!

A gentle reminder:

1. Please refrain from posting personal details like email's on the thread.
2. Restrict your signature to 4-5 lines.
3. Use PM for personal chit chat
4. Avoid comparing B-Schools!
5. Read previous posts before putting up your queries.
6. Be nice to all.
7. Read the PG guidelines before posting on the thread {the link is in my signature:

Good Luck!

Cheers
Pallavi

@surethistime- great job!!

[maxell]

Originally Posted by SureThisTime

Hi
Its fine that you have expressed your opinion.
Let me clear your view of looking at the things.
Good Luck.

Let me add a small point to all that Surethistime and sidharth have made:

IITs never promote themselves. They do teach marketing but dont apply that to themselves Thats the reason why such perceptions arise, that IITs are technical instis(oh gawd kahin mujhe wapas engg mechanics na padha den) and how they gonna place u.

Lets do an analysis about IITs(not kanpur, but all IITs as this question is put up to all of them) using the parameters usually used to judge B schools.

1) Faculty - PHDs(Kharagpur is only phds, i am not sure abt others but I think this is the basic requirement in an IIT)
2) Peer group - atleast we had a chance to interact with the previous batch here, which is not always the case(IMT, MDI, NMIMS). Also, I could say that there was a lot of camaraderie around, and the atmosphere was not cutthroat at IITK. Moreover, this parameter cant be worked upon, it happens by itself.
3) Infrastructure and facilities -
4) Placements - everybody else is discussing this, let me leave it.
5) Guest lectures/Presentations - I saw somebody called APJ Abdul Kalam at an IIT guest lecture list.
6) Fees/expenses -


I didnt want to write all this before the results are out, lest I sabotage my chances of getting thru (sumbdy having a final convert mite accept after reading it and I might not clear the waitlist bcos of that - a feasible scenario), but took the risk...

[siddharth chawl]

Dear Friends

After the admissions process, IIT K MBA is now ready to host its annual finance conclave , FINATICS'09 on the 4th - 5th of april.

A number of workshops, quizzes, case studies and lecture series by eminent professionals, spread over two days have been designed to help students grasp more than mere textbook fundamentals.
Commodity trading workshop is being organised by NCDEX.

Few events have already kicked off.

For further details about the event and the dates visit the Finatics homepage : http://www.iitk.ac.in/ime/MBA_IITK/finatics/

Looking forward to your participation.

All the best !

[dreams_blore]

hi seniors,
I wish to know whether it is absolutely necessary to send the documnets to the address given in the last post or we can wait till the final results are announced. when can we expect the results, considering this year JMET is organized by IIT Kanpur and you guys would be the first IIT to come up with the shortlisted candidates. Eagerly awaiting the results.
dhiraj

[zubingeorge3]

Originally Posted by dreams_blore

hi seniors,
I wish to know whether it is absolutely necessary to send the documnets to the address given in the last post or we can wait till the final results are announced. when can we expect the results, considering this year JMET is organized by IIT Kanpur and you guys would be the first IIT to come up with the shortlisted candidates. Eagerly awaiting the results.
dhiraj

The results of the GD/PI are expected around 15th April.
You may wait for the results before posting the documents.

[gauravcc]

15th April... People were speculating the dates to be around 8th april.

Looks like looong time from now.....

[tripuraj]

Originally Posted by jain.er

The honeymoon ends here let me give a reality check :

1. IIT Kanpur . One of the best institue in the world ...for for for ... BTECH
2. kanpur , one of the oldest town of india..very poor infra of the city..
3. Good place for operations...bad for finance
4. The average workex was more then 33 months ..now with that kind of a workEx av. pakage of 8 lacs , I personally find a bit less.
Graons are welcomed......

Your wish is granted Mate

Originally Posted by siddharth chawl

Few plain facts that need to be cleared here so that aspirants are not misled by the information conveyed above.

1)MBA is under the purview of Industrial and Management engineering department and not Industrial engineering.

2)The department is not an undergrad department, it caters only to MBA,Mtech and P.hD students with the MBA students in a majority.

3)Any conclusions regarding specialisations is unwarranted without having sound info about the placement process. We have not yet released an official placement report and the comment that was inthe post above made only falls in sync with the market trends this time.

4)The average package is not 8 lacs p.a. The aspirants who had attended the presentation know what the actual statistic is. For those who didnt attend, average package stands at 8.88 lacs p.a. and that is an increase over the last year.

5)As far as PI is concerned, as an engineer you are expected to know your subjects well. And what is being gauged is your analytical ability rather than your answers.

6) And last but not the least, this is INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, a brand that stands for its talent and resouces. A brand of such repute doesnot permit evaluation of candidates by the students. Moreover with the experience of the faculty that was sitting there to evaluate you all, such questions should never arise.

All the best to you all.
We hope to see dedicated students in the batch of 2011 who can live upto the institute's repute.

Feel free to revert back with any queries.

Originally Posted by SureThisTime

Hi
Its fine that you have expressed your opinion.
Let me clear your view of looking at the things.



Reemember that Its a passe that IITs are meant only for B. techs.
Had that been the case, you wouldn't have found so many big brand names coming for the MBAs. Gone are the days when IITs stood for the B. techs. They have turned into the institutes of educational excellence. Be it B. tech., MBA, M. tech., M. Sc. they churn out people who are very competitive. It is being proven since its inception.
Remember again that, being under the IME Department is no harm for us. Its as good as a DoMS.
In fact most of the companies refer to us as
IIT-K B School students
IIT-K Management students
IIT-K School of Management grads
MBA students of IME, IIT-K

Whats being reflected there more often? Is it your MBA or IME??
By the way, IME Department has more faculty/resources/books/popularity with corporates/opportunities for MBAs than M. tech/Ph.Ds



Even for that matter Indore/Kozhikode don't have such luxury. But still they boast of corporate interaction.
Remember! corporate interaction means the managers at Sr. Management/Top brass of a leading organization. All such people come from cities. And its the same case with any B school irrespective of location.
Yeah, but what we tell you is that this interaction is a bit lower when compared to the B schools which are based out of Metros for the obvious reasons.
I guess you are also intelligent enough to understand the same.


For that matter, the leading B schools of Finance too suffered from the same. The global scene is pathetic for finance and it reflected everywhere.
What you mean by the comments such as "ppl were offered marketing profile" & "Placement in the companies like PFC"?
Do you think that marketing roles/PFCs are damn to be thrown into bin.
Also does it mean that if no banks are seen for this year, the sheen of a B school is gone?
In that case, there are no investment banks at IIMs, barring one or two. Does it mean that IIMs have lost their glow in this sector?
Its not the concern about the questions you have raised, but its about your thinking process.
Not having an open mind when comes to such analyses will always lead to opinions which are biased in nature and will prompt you to take the decisions which might backfire you.
To add to this, I would ask to you to refer to the last year's placement report (of both finals & summers) and check how many banks were on board.



I guess we did it better as students from a few other B schools with more experience did notfind any job.They are done with the course and now passed without a job in hand. The open market condition is at its worse.


Well, I would ask you the following questions.
1. Why do you want to do your MBA?
2. What are your strengths?
3. What you want to do in life from 5 years from now?
...
...
I am pretty sure that you would give answers which are not yours. The answers to such questions have been framed after taking the help from a coaching center or have been from your mouth instead from your heart.
By the way, do you also beleive that you are the manager only when such questions are asked and when you have answered them?
Remember! one has to have strong fundamentals irrespective of whatever he/she is.
It is the beleif in the educational system & the institutes such as IITs/IIMs, the companies come to you, recruit you & train you. They believe that you have strong fundamentals and have the sufficient analytical/problem solving ability/communication to catch up fast in the race.
The vision of the program is to give Techno-Business managers to the industry. Nobody teaches you tech. stuff here. But a beleif in the candidate (after having a look at his/her fundamentals) that he/she can corelate the things and shift the thinking process from a techy side to management side.
This is the unparelled edge that you get as an Engineer. Thats why you see that most of the B schools have 70% as engineers. IITs are maintaining a niche & have 100% engineers.

So, start looking things from an open mind.

Even for that matter, lots have been said to us by PANDITS & ANALYSTS about IITs when we have come here for our GD/PIs 2 years back. We came here, saw the things with an open mind, got faith in the system and today we are in a better position.
And the same PANDITS & ANALYSTS congratulate us today for our JUDGMENT.

Good Luck.

DHO DALA....