Shouldn't Private B-Schools make the process transparent

[bell_me]

Guys lets raise our voice for transparency in Admission processes of Pvt. B-Schools. We study througout the year pay such huge sums for tutions, preparations and exam forms but at the end we don't know why the other guy with same skills and scores was called and why we weren't. we have purchased and strived for these.

This is an attempt of uniting and reaching our voice to these colleges and request them to please have some guidelines prior to exam so that if we find ourselves of minimum chances, we avoid spending such huge sums on exams and GD Preparation.

Mark Yes ( Mention your course of action/Suggestion to make them do so)
Mark No (Mention why do you believe that we should not ask for this)
Mark Doesn't Matter to me ()

I hope that the colleges & important bodies like AICTE will refer to this thread and will come to know that how many of us wants this thing done.

[bell_me]

The colleges should give a detailed idea as to what profile means and what profile are likely to get more weightage. How many years of work ex will fetch how many marks. they should also clearly mention the scores at least which were shortlisted for final selection. This will help so many of us visiting the threads and trying to get our queries.

[crazynaval]

well rightly said.. i haev very serious concerns over this.. no offence meant to any one and neither its serveing my purpose..( i am already done with my mba)


NMIMS -

1. form of 1600 and then gd pi process " pay 1000" bucks... WHY... can the greedy NMIMS management EXPLAIN that...
2. why no decimal marking... i see lots and lots of people loosing good ranks just beacuse of that... THey should have done it like Jmet.. provide same ranking.. ITS A BIG BIG flaw which NM is not ready to EXPLAIN...
3. WHY YOU cant conduct your interviews at all the loactions.. why only MUMBAI.. you charging 1000 bucks extra yet want candidates to spend more money...
4. calling up 1800 people... last rank to convert wud be not more than 800

1000 people coming for interview with a hope *1000 rupees - 1000000 ..a cool ten lakhs rupees plus man hours ...

5. why there is no open list...and why there is no waitlist... why they will call up candidates individually.. let the world see who all made it to the final list

SCMHRD

1. almost similar question ... no transparecy...

a bcom chap looses out to engineer despite of a good score for an interview call

a girl with 72 and 2 years of IBM work ex gets preference over a guy of 77 and 2 years at IBM with better academics...

2. no waitlist ...no merit list in open...

3.. why every one has to come to pune... and the reply comes..we want people to see our facilities...

4. no fee return after 11th april... SCMHRD ko hi 2 months ka induction karna hai.. IIMS /other b school convertees ko jaroorat hi nahi hai na induction ki


TAPMI

same question.. why u want every one to travel to tapmi... do people realize the cost associated and the time taken to reach tapmi and come back by train..

huge cost by flight...

i don't knw what purpose these tthings serve.. why not align your self to a good standard


one view point from my side

all cat allied institute .. DECALRE YOUR RESULTS ON ONE DAY ...

So many advantages

1. less number of cancellations...
2. liquidity crunch by students can be handled in a better way
3. its easier for college administration...
4. bring out merit list and wait list in open.. not by logging in.....

and to finish..

i think there were around 10 questions in FMS which had ERRATA... its simply unaccepatbel..doesnt matter how prestigious institiute u are.. and that goes for IIMS also


wish to see a more trasnparent merit based selection processes minus discomfort to students and parents

[Apurv]

The intent of this initiative is really nice. But as far as I know, even the best b-schools in the West (Wharton, Harvard, Stanford, etc) do not disclose why a certain student was admitted and why someone was dinged. And the stakes there are even higher, because applying to these schools itself costs upwards of Rs 10k, factoring in the GMAT and TOEFL.

What Indian Private Bschools should do is allow a feedback session post-admissions where a student can learn why they were not selected. Or at least make a writeup about it on their website.

At the end of the day, allowing such transparency also gives a little 'too much' power to the people. If they put out so much of transparency, there would be loads of genuine non-performers who will mob the B-school just because it is possible to do it.

Let's see what other puys think of the issue raised by bell_me.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by bell_me

Guys lets raise our voice for transparency in Admission processes of Pvt. B-Schools. We study througout the year pay such huge sums for tutions, preparations and exam forms but at the end we don't know why the other guy with same skills and scores was called and why we weren't. we have purchased and strived for these.

This is an attempt of uniting and reaching our voice to these colleges and request them to please have some guidelines prior to exam so that if we find ourselves of minimum chances, we avoid spending such huge sums on exams and GD Preparation.

Mark Yes ( Mention your course of action/Suggestion to make them do so)
Mark No (Mention why do you believe that we should not ask for this)
Mark Doesn't Matter to me ()

I hope that the colleges & important bodies will refer to this thread and will come to know that how many of us wants this thing done.

[nihit]

@ NMIMS...

They are really cheating students....

> Seats are given on the basis of Management Quota... Y that and Y not open when a student in Open catogery is better than management quota guy??

3 years back i met a guy who appeared for NMIMS GDPI and came to ICFAI for PI.. So luckily we had a interaction as even i was in his group for PI in icfai. He told me about the NMAT scores and all and told that NM calls student with 100 marks in NMAT. GDPI is of 80 marks and they have predetermined cuttoff for admission which is 180... than how come a student with 100 score can enter into that??? any logic behind it.. and i was shocked to hear the same...

[get_amazed]

Originally Posted by nihit

@ NMIMS...

They are really cheating students....

> Seats are given on the basis of Management Quota... Y that and Y not open when a student in Open catogery is better than management quota guy??

3 years back i met a guy who appeared for NMIMS GDPI and came to ICFAI for PI.. So luckily we had a interaction as even i was in his group for PI in icfai. He told me about the NMAT scores and all and told that NM calls student with 100 marks in NMAT. GDPI is of 80 marks and they have predetermined cuttoff for admission which is 180... than how come a student with 100 score can enter into that??? any logic behind it.. and i was shocked to hear the same...

puys,
every b-school has its own procedure for admission. look at spjain for example, they give profile based calls. so it depends on the institute preference to decide how they call students. and reservation is an issue in india. we must accept it. many people actually do require that reservation. so lets not deride the b-schools their powers, but transparency as in requiremens, even non-marks based must be pre-mentioned.

[bell_me]

Originally Posted by Apurv

The intent of this initiative is really nice. But as far as I know, even the best b-schools in the West (Wharton, Harvard, Stanford, etc) do not disclose why a certain student was admitted and why someone was dinged. And the stakes there are even higher, because applying to these schools itself costs upwards of Rs 10k, factoring in the GMAT and TOEFL.
.

Cheers,

I respect your knowledge about the other colleges and foreign universities but yet the kind of population and competition that China and India have for Education and job is unmatched .

Moreover if there weren't any need to clarify why a person was rejected or selected, wouldn't the case on IIM -A for disclosing its selection criteria had been defeated?

On one side we say that government officials dont perform so well as the private sector but we can press them thru RTI to disclose whatever they do just becos they are referred for slow work than y cant we ask the better performing better managed Private Firms/Institutions for what they are doing ""becos ultimately they are doing it for the one and the same person i.e us""

Should really think that it is our right to know why we are prompted to be a part of the school when they already have certain profiles important for their names and if its so why even accept our forms when they know that we dont match that profile.
EITHER DISCLOSE THE STANDARDS so that WE DECIDE NOT TO Go or
ACCEPT ONLY THOSE WITH GOOD SCORES IRRESPECTIVE OF THEIR PROFILE

[harenik]

@crazynaval
My list of institutes is almost the same as yours...

@All
Here is my 2 cents on the issue:
1) There should be an upper limit on the application fee charged on a per course basis. Why should institutes make money out of prospective candidates who are not even sure of a call. Atleast for institutes like SCMHRD/SP Jain (for profile based calls), Adcom will have to read through profiles. What does it actually take to feed in CAT/XAT percentiles into a machine and retrieve only scores greater than a preset number? Probably the shortlisted candidates can pay some extra amount (with an upper limit) for the rest of the process.

2)

form of 1600 and then gd pi process " pay 1000" bucks... WHY... can the greedy NMIMS management EXPLAIN that...

A valid point especially when GD/PI is not held anywhere other than in mumbai. With no offence to NMIMS officials/students, the question paper was definitely not worth 1600 bucks (in terms of the content).

3) Why not issue applications after the required scores are declared? Like how IITs go about it. However well i gauge my potential, I'll definitely not know beforehand if I will surely get a call from a specific institute or not. Cuz finally, its all relative. So atleast candidates with a really low percentile can save some money.

4) Last but the most important, institutes MUST come out with the weightages given to different aspects of the selection procedure. Quite a few institutes do it but a greater number do not follow this protocol.

Currently, for the amount they charge, institutes should inform candidates, who are rejected after GD/PI, as to where they lost out. Or atleast declare the final scores obtained along with the weightages.

It'll also help if the processes are conducted in more locations (atleast in the metros) as pointed out earlier...

Cheers!
Hareni.

[crazynaval]

This is my Request /question/ Suggezstion to APURV and PG

You guys have been with PG since inception , and probably you have inside out info of admission process for quite a many b Schools


why don't PG find out..

1. Why there were no decimal marking in NMIMS
2. Why they Don't Bring out the merit and wait list in open


FOr SCMHRD

why after declaring that 26th march will be the date for Second waitlist , they have refused to bring out any list...

we have so many puys confirming their cancellations and logically its kind of proved that there are more than 25 cancellations...


i have some inside info of candidates being offered seats in Symbiosis top two institutes by paying money.. and these seats are not part of management seats...


for FMS

why dont PG interview FMS director and ask him to EXPLAIN the ERRATA in question paper and the trouble it has caused many puys and students...


THE whole PG gang is here to SUPPORT you

[ankja]

great thread buddy...