transparency in selection system... the need of the hour

[fire_kris]

hi guys... as u know xl office has declared their cut offs...

for bm.... they require around 96 percentile in quant
for pmir.... they require around 96 percentile in va

in other sections cutoffs are relaxed

that means di cut off doesnt even matter... people can get 85 percentile and still get through

i have 99.99 in quant in xat.... i dont think many people have a stronger quant score than me....

i used to score above 85 in va in all 30 tests i have given so far this year.... more or less made to all india top 100 in 10 of them... but xat gave me 65... i didnt even question that... DONT WORRY I AM NOT SAYING I AM HANGING THE TOWEL... BUT WILL BE BACK WITH A GREATER VENOM NEXT YEAR... THIS TIME I WONT WORRY ABOUT GETTING IN... I WILL AIM IN DELIVERING ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMANCES

i am just saying the system can be transparent......

also i know XL has its own constraints.... but as u know somebody has to start it ( every revolution has a initiator ).... Now you will say what about the rest....

i have the answer for that... XL and IIMs call themselves best in the country... so it has got to definetly start from the top than from the bottom.... if an institute for example an XYZ starts doing it... would we even care... but if XL does it... everyone would sit up and take notice.... because XL has the repo and power... then IIMs would also follow the suit... this way i mean NO ONE can question the selection even if he loses by 0.01 percentiles because he knew from the start before entering the field what are the rules....

take an analogy

a batsman is batting... the ball pitches outside the leg stump and the batsman pads up the umpire (XL) gives him out... batsman (aspirant) says why thats unfair... umpire (XL) says my child the pitch (test) was a belter.... nobody would get (eliminated) out on such an easy track (test).... so the rules (percentiles) are changed... batsman ( aspirant ) said if i knew it from the start i wouldnt have padded up in the first place....

an example:

an institute selection criterira is :

in one section u require 98 and other two 91 each

1)a guy A getting 97.8 in that section and 99 in the other two will get rejected with a overall percentile of say 99.9
2) another guy B getting 98.1 in that section but 92 in other two will get selected with an overall percentile of say 97
dont u think the system is unfair or needs restructring... i am not a genius.... but from the naked eye XL call giving system has lot of frailties in it... do u agree? do u agree that guy A gave a better test than guy b... or u think the rigid system of selection should continue

kindly give me a fair and analytical answer....

also guys post in ur view.... dont tell me that i am targetting XL alone... u can take IIMs in place of that

also if they give the selection criteria before hand... we can target on what they want... but right now giving a cat or xat paper seems like playing a russian roullete.... when luck also plays a very vital role than hard work

take paper of nm for example or fms..... atleast we know we have to score the maximum.... so their cannot be any discrepancy... declaring sectional requirement before the paper would help b schools enhance their reputation

[gaurav2cool]

Originally Posted by fire_kris

dude i have 99.99 in quant.... i dont think many people have a stronger quant score than me....

i used to score above 85 in va in all 30 tests i have given so far this year.... more or less made to all india top 100 in 10 of them... but xat gave me 65... i didnt even question that... DONT WORRY I AM NOT SAYING I AM HANGING THE TOWEL... BUT WILL BE BACK WITH A GREATER VENOM NEXT YEAR... THIS TIME I WONT WORRY ABOUT GETTING IN... I WILL AIM IN DELIVERING ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMANCES

i am just saying the system can be transparent...... and i was not comparing it with IIMA just citing an example...

also i know XL has its own constraints.... but as u know somebody has to start it ( every revolution has a initiator ).... Now you will say what about the rest....

i have the answer for that... XL and IIMs call themselves best in the country... so it has got to definetly start from the top than from the bottom.... if an institute for example an XYZ starts doing it... would we even care... but if XL does it... everyone would sit up and take notice.... because XL has the repo and power... then IIMs would also follow the suit... this way i mean NO ONE can question the selection even if he loses by 0.01 percentiles because he knew from the start before entering the field what are the rules....

take an analogy

a batsman is batting... the ball pitches outside the leg stump and the batsman pads up the umpire (XL) gives him out... batsman (aspirant) says why thats unfair... umpire (XL) says my child the pitch (test) was a belter.... nobody would get (eliminated) out on such an easy track (test).... batsman ( aspirant ) would have said if i knew it from the start i wouldnt have padded up

u didnt answer to my example


an institute selection criterira like in one section u require 98 and other two 91 each... then a guy A getting 97.8 in that section and 99 in the other two will get rejected with a percentile of say 99.9... and the another guy B getting 98.1 in that section but 92 in other two will get selected with an overall of say 97.... dont u think the system is unfair or needs restructring... i am not a genius.... but from the naked eye XL call giving system has lot of frailties in it... do u agree? do u agree that guy A gave a better test than guy b... or u think the rigid system of selection should continue

kindly give me a fair answer.... as i respect ur comments a lot both as an analytical person and also as a senior pg


also guys post in ur view.... dont tell me that i am targetting XL alone... u can take IIMs in place of that

well no need n no use of criticizing XL or IIM
we have enough evidence of thier excellence this year be it the VA sup or XAT result
i personally feel that i have lost my faith in these institutes (i dnt want 2 hurt ne1's feeling)
n the amount of cheating taking place in all other exams having 40 odd seats where will d deserving people land up i m sure BRAIN DRAIN is what india should fear after such acts
better try 4 GMAT as if we wait 4 1 more year v dnt know what more sup are in store

GAURAV

[fire_kris]

Originally Posted by gaurav2cool

well no need n no use of criticizing XL or IIM
we have enough evidence of thier excellence this year be it the VA sup or XAT result
i personally feel that i have lost my faith in these institutes (i dnt want 2 hurt ne1's feeling)
n the amount of cheating taking place in all other exams having 40 odd seats where will d deserving people land up i m sure BRAIN DRAIN is what india should fear after such acts
better try 4 GMAT as if we wait 4 1 more year v dnt know what more sup are in store

GAURAV

buddy i am not here to criticize these institutes.... i just want transparency.... i am going to gun for them next year... these are institutes of excellence no doubt about it.... but i am just discussing something that if sorted out will only enhance their reputation not derail them from the path of glory...

i just want people to reply on the topic i have started.... i havent started the thread to do image bashing of IIMs and XL

[catapult]

Originally Posted by fire_kris

buddy i am not here to criticize these institutes.... i just want transparency.... i am going to gun for them next year... these are institutes of excellence no doubt about it.... but i am just discussing something that if sorted out will only enhance their reputation not derail them from the path of glory...

i just want people to reply on the topic i have started.... i havent started the thread to do image bashing of IIMs and XL

Fire_kris...No offence..but if u want people to express themselves on this issue...the starting post in the thread should indicate so....Most of us reading this thread for the 1st time have no context whatsoever...U seem to have copy pasted your post from one of the XL thread & started a new thread here...

[jaikishen]

Hi everyone.I very strongly feel that there should be transparency in the selection process of XLRI.Not only XLRI but also for IIFT and the symbiosis institutes.There should be a clear cut selection criteria.I would also like to tell something else that i feel is important i.e the institutes should not take away the question papers after the exam and they should give the answers keys for the exams they conduct.With so much ambiguity in the questions the students have the right to know which answer is right.I mean we all discuss the answers on forums but we still do not know who is right.i feel that the institutes should specify cut offs after the results as well as any other criteria that they choose for selecting students.

[fire_kris]

Originally Posted by catapult

Fire_kris...No offence..but if u want people to express themselves on this issue...the starting post in the thread should indicate so....Most of us reading this thread for the 1st time have no context whatsoever...U seem to have copy pasted your post from one of the XL thread & started a new thread here...

i have corrected it... thanks for pointing out... actually i was replying on the xat thread but just then i thought i have some good points which can be shared.... so instead of replying on that... pasted the topic here... anyhow the corrections are done now

@ jaikishen.... nice points but we should go once at a time... even if they declare the cutoffs requirement before hand... atleast some transparency could be ensured... though complete can only be achieved when they look at all corners and that will have to include ur points

kindly post ur view

[ankitg86]

I dont know man..i think there is exactly where the beauty of such exams lies!! the unpredictability, the hoopla that it all creates...

Even i have been screwed by some ridiculous percentile calculation.but am not complaining.am surely gonna miss all of this!

regards

[fire_kris]

Originally Posted by ankitg86

I dont know man..i think there is exactly where the beauty of such exams lies!! the unpredictability, the hoopla that it all creates...

Even i have been screwed by some ridiculous percentile calculation.but am not complaining.am surely gonna miss all of this!

regards

i know what u r saying... but this time we knew that IIMA wants 25 marks in each section initially and 33.33% marks overall... we didnt knew how the paper was... did it take away the excitement ... no i dont think it did

i am just asking them to tell the parameters...

i dont know about the mba colleges.... but like if u wanna go for M.S. in US... some colleges exactly specify as the pre-requisites that

1. u need a score 260/300 in TOEFL ( it was earlier as know it is of 120 odd number)
2. 1350/1600 in GRE
3. C.G.P.A of 3.2/4.0
4. ur own dissertation ( for Ph.D)

see after this i wouldnt dare to apply to these institutes if u fail in one of them... because these are very rigid parameters.... it doesnt take the excitement away.... i know what i want and i know where i have failed even if it is by hair's length....

still we will have to calculate percentiles... how others fared ( cause its all relative )..... still the excitement would be there ( not lessened i guess)

take an example:

if MDI says it wont take anyone below 98 percentile overall... why a 97.8 percentiler would dream about a call... one which is not practically possible... and no doubt his disappointment would be greater afterwards... He wil still check whether he got it or not.... but not with high hopes

if u are saying u dont want that excitement or dreams to be shattered early then its up to u.... then what u and i are saying is just a matter of perspective....

at the end of the day... we are just voicing our opinion