[ashwinidamani]

hey folks i heard that Aicte has removed accrediation from ICFAI,Amity.. please verify if that is true

[priya]

Please make it accreditation

thanks
priya

[saychamps]

http://www.jammag.com/careers/articl...mity/index.php

follw this link it will help u

[moonguy]

hey thread starter....this is for ur info...icfai business school is not aicte approved,,,and it never was.....so also is the case with many other fine b schools..so wats the big deal.....dunno bout amity though,,,,but by my knowledge if istitutes r aicte approved.they give mba degrees...otherwise they give..pgdm....and how many gud institutes give that,,,,we know..so stop worrying..

[superduk]

Originally Posted by moonguy

hey thread starter....this is for ur info...icfai business school is not aicte approved,,,and it never was.....so also is the case with many other fine b schools..so wats the big deal.....dunno bout amity though,,,,but by my knowledge if istitutes r aicte approved.they give mba degrees...otherwise they give..pgdm....and how many gud institutes give that,,,,we know..so stop worrying..

Hi....need to correct you a bit..
All those institutes which has been granted the deemed university status (Ex. IIM, Symbi) they award the PGDBM or post graduate diploma.
And those institutes which belongs to some other university such as Delhi University, mumbai UNiversity... they give you a masters degree.

Icfai and **** mentions in their advertisement that their diplomas do not come under AICTE.

[gaurav21_virgo]

Originally Posted by superduk

Hi....need to correct you a bit..
All those institutes which has been granted the deemed university status (Ex. IIM, Symbi) they award the PGDBM or post graduate diploma.
And those institutes which belongs to some other university such as Delhi University, mumbai UNiversity... they give you a masters degree.

Icfai and **** mentions in their advertisement that their diplomas do not come under AICTE.

Dudu icfai gvs a degree..k

[saychamps]

http://www.jammag.com/careers/articl...ndex2.php?id=3

The IssuesArticle posted on: 2006-01-04 16:55:36 Large scale expansion appears to have diluted the flagship PGDM course at Amity Business School. JAM visited the campus and spoke to a wide spectrum of students to understand the ground reality.

Amity Business School was set up in 1995, and earned a fair reputation over the past decade. It shared the Sector 44, Noida campus of Amity International School, although it had its own building. Entrance to Amity was through MAT (Managerial Aptitude Test) .

Amity's PGDM course was approved by AICTE and hence considered equivalent to an MBA degree. The intake of students was restricted to 150 per year.

Amity Business School was ranked no 13 by the Outlook-C Fore B school rankings 2005. However, Mr Premchand Palety, CEO, C Fore states, "The ranking was awarded only taking into consideration the PGDM (AICTE) course."

Earlier this year, there were some dramatic changes. In Feb 2005, the Supreme Court declared as unconstitutional a provision in the Chhattisgarh Private Sector Universities Act, 2002 permitting establishment of private universities for higher education. The court declared as null and void establishment of 112 such private universities under this law, including Amity University, Chhatisgarh

However, in the meanwhile, Amity University was established by the UP State legislature with effect from 12th January 2005. The notification for the same was published in Uttar Pradesh Government Gazette vide No. 403/VII-V-1-1 (Ka) 1/2005 dated 24 th March 2005 .

So, two things happened. All the students of Amity University Chattisgarh, who were pursuing their degree e.g MBA from the Raipur were transferred to Amity campus sector 44 Noida (the Amity Business School campus).

A host of new courses started being offered under the aegis of Amity University, Uttar Pradesh from the Sector 44 campus. Among them, a slew of MBAs. The complete list of management courses offered in the year 2005 is reproduced from their website.

a) MBA (International Business)
b) MBA (General)
c) MBA (Entrepreneurship & Leadership)
d) MBA (CRM & Marketing)
e) MBA (HR)
f) MBA (Competitive Intelligence & Competitive Warfare)
g) PG Diploma in Natural Resource Management
h) PG Diploma in NGO Management
i) MBA (Insurance)
j) MBA (Organic Agriculture & Food Business)
k) MBA (Telecommunication)
l) MBA (Biotechnology Management)
m) PG Diploma (Insurance Mgmt)

In addition, there are BBA and BBA + MBA combos
a) BBA - Bachelor of Business Administration
b) Integrated BBA + Master of Management Studies
c) Integrated MBA (International Business)

And some courses are offered in collaboration with foreign universities as well
a) 3 Continent MBA
b) MBA (International Management), University of East London
c) MBA (Purdue)
d) Integrated BBA + MBA (Purdue)

For reasons unknown, details of the ‘international programs’ are no longer displayed on the Amity website (that areas is 'password protected') but a chat with Amity's online counselor confirmed the courses are being offered for the next academic year.

The international programs offer students an option of transferring to the campus abroad for the final semester/s and obtaining the degree from a foreign university.

Too many students?
When students applied for the 2005-7 academic session, they say only 3 courses were listed in the brochure:

01. PGDM (AICTE): Intake mentioned was 150
02. MBA General (Amity University): No disclosure about number of students
03. MBA International Business (Amity University): No disclosure about number of students

Within weeks of arriving on campus PGDM students found that there were approximately 1000 students enrolled in MBA courses in the first year alone. They estimate that the total no of MBA and BBA students in the Amity Business School campus originally meant for 300 students is at least 2000.

We asked Amity Business School to provide details regarding exact number of students enrolled in all MBA courses but did not get any response. The published intake of in the year 2004 was PGDM (150 seats), MBA (380 seats), MBA International Business (240 seats), and BBA (240 seats). With a large no of new courses started in 2005, that number would have gone up significantly.

Further, the Amity school of NGO management, Amity School of Actuarial science, Amity School of Insurance, Amity Institute of Education, Amity Centre for CRM, Amity School of Communication and Amity school of Tourism Management were also using Amity Business School's library and computer lab.

Ground realities
When JAM visited the Amity Sector 44 campus in December 2005, our reporter found different courses being conducted in the same building. For instance, a wing on one floor that was meant for BBA classes (as indicated by a large signboard) had many different types of MBA classes going on (MBA-HR, MBA-CRM and so on). Class 3 school children from the Amity International School were being taught in classrooms that still had MBA (Gen) printed on the door.

The Amity Business School classes which are supposed to be held in the D and H blocks, were instead being held in J-block belonging to Amity International School. Clearly, AICTE was accurate in observing facilities and infrastructure intended for AICTE approved course were being utilized for other unapproved courses.

Students also allege that classes for the senior batch (2006) PGDM students and MBA students (Amity University) were often held together, by the same faculty in the same classroom.

Former students say that considering the high fees they were paying (Rs 4.9 lakhs for the 2 years including hostel fees but not food), facilities were inadequate. Their complaints include:
- Inadequate computer lab
- Lack of place like reading room to do projects
- Books often being unavailable in the library
- Classes constantly being shifted from one building to the next

Our reporter visited the sole library on campus on the first floor of the D-block. It certainly didn’t look big enough to cater to the needs of the 2,000-plus students now taking classes in the Noida campus. The computer laboratory was next to the library and had around 40 machines. By 12 noon, most of the machines were occupied and it was easy to imagine the chaos there would be when the campus was full.

MBA students have been provided with laptops and there is wi-fi connectivity on the campus. But students say they still need to use the computer lab for specific software like SPSS and printouts.

There is a separate lab with 30 machines and a small reading room for BBA students.

More issues
Another major grouse is the fact that the hostel facility to 1st year male MBA students is provided in Sector 125 campus 3 kms away ( this was not specified at time of admission).

Says Diptanshu Gupta,"There is a bus facility provided but its timings weren’t suitable. We often had to walk 3 kms to the hostel passing by the Greater Noida Expressway which is not safe even for the boys, late at night."

Besides physical facilities, quality of faculty and faculty: student ratio seems to be another area of concern. A former faculty member at Amity recalls, "When I was in campus, only International Business (IB) course was offered in addition to PGDM but even then the intake was very high. Plus BBA & IB admissions would go on even in the middle of the semester, in a few cases."

"Regarding the faculty, apart from a few (who are old timers) very few would stick beyond a semester or two. They would ask us to substitute for someone at the notice of an hour even for a MBA class, They had no fixed date for mid semester examinations, every teacher was free to conduct it according to their fancy."

Amity claims to have "one of the largest faculty". 19 full time faulty members are listed on the Amity website, shared between Amity Business School and Amity Business School, Amity University. Amity School of International Business lists 15 faculty members.

The Placement issue
Last but not the least, the placement cell and corporate resource center for all these programs are same. Says former PGDM student Henna Jindal, "The pressure to place such a large number of students is sure to dilute the kind of jobs and salary packages on offer."

A request for details of the campus placements so far has not yielded a response from Amity. The full picture, in any case, will only be available at the end of the current placement season.

As per information available to JAM, 90 students have been placed so far of the 650 students vying for placement. Why only 650, although there are far more students enrolled in MBA? Because a large number of students are debarred every year from the placement process.

Several sources told JAM: "If a student does not score 6.5 CGPA he/ she is not eligible for placements. The student will be asked to sign a paper saying: 'I do not want to sit in the placement willfully and want to opt for entrepreneurship'. That is how they are able to claim 100% placements".

Bottomline
As far as Deepak Soni – one of the students suing Amity is concerned - the main reason for his leaving the PGDM course remains withdrawal of AICTE approval. "I wanted to join a recognized MBA course," says the Chhatisgarh resident who is now preparing for his UPSC exams."I left other options such as ICFAI only because their institute is not AICTE approved while Amity’s course had the approval."

The questions raised by former Amity students suing their former B school:
a) Why is Amity not fulfilling its promise re: refund of fees and transfer of students who wish to do so when it was expressly promised in September?
b) The larger question is: Are there better ways to go about the ambitious expansion of an educational institute?
c) Is there a plan of action to improve the current situation?

[sim_bh_84]

hi..amity has 2 courses mba and pgdm. mba is from amity's university and not tht great and definetly not aicte. whereas pgdm was not approved earlier but in dec it has got its accredition. its a good enuf course.infrastructure is great.

as for icfai...again it is set up under its own university so the question of aicte doesnt arise. aicte is mianly for those college which are not under any particular university like delhi uni, mum uni etc...and just for the record its better if the college u chose is aicte approved unless of course it was its own university like amity and icfai

simran

[saychamps]

http://www.jammag.com/careers/articl...ndex2.php?id=1

AND

Extract of the Judgment of Hon’ble Allahabad High Court in Civil Misc Petition No.
65741/2005 filed by Amity Business School V/s AICTE and Others regarding withdrawal
of approval
"The impugned order in question reflects that the reply which was submitted by the
petitioners has been considered and it has been found that courses approved by the All
India Council for Technical Education are being conducted in gross violation of the norms
and standard prescribed by the All India Council for Technical Education, and further the
Amity Business School is conducting large number of unapproved courses in the same
premises utilizing the infrastructure, faculty and other facilities intended for by the
AICTE approved courses, and thus, diluting the standard of education. Thus, in the
present case, reply has been considered though not very elaborately, but the finding has
been returned that large number of unapproved courses are being run in the same
premises utilizing the infrastructure, faculty and other facilities intended for the AICTE
approved courses, and thus, diluting the standard of education. Original record has also
been produced, and it reveals that representative of the petitioner has admitted that large
number of unapproved courses are being run in the same campus. Smt. Balwinder
Shukla, who is the Deputy Director General, Amity Business School, Noida, on 05-08-2005
has certified that report which has been prepared, is based on factual information
furnished by Institution and cross checked by the Committee through physical
inspection. In column No. 10 of the Institutional Details, the question posed is whether
the institution is sharing its facilities/premises with any other institution or running any
unapproved programme and the same has been ticked as "yes" and coupled with this
name of institution which is sharing the facility, has also been disclosed as (1) Amity
University Raipur (2) Amity University UP (3) Centre for International Business (4) Centre
for CRM and Marketing (5) Centre for E & S. At the point of time when approval had
been accorded in the year 1994, there was specific condition that no other courses would
be run without the permission of the AICTE. Here, the other courses are being run in the
same premises, which are unapproved without taking permission from the AICTE, and
this fact has been admitted by the petitioners, and if this is not in dispute that in the same
campus unapproved courses are being run, and the Expert Committee, on the basis of the
same has concluded that standard of education is being diluted, then same cannot be
termed to be arbitrary exercise of authority. One of the reasons mentioned in the
impugned order is that the same premises is being used for running unapproved courses
utilizing the same infrastructure, and thus diluting the standard of education. Thus, this
reason in itself is enough to justify the action taken by the AICTE. Apart from this record
in question reveals that after reply was submitted by the petitioner comparative chart
dated 02-09-2005 has been prepared, containing three column. In the first column the
deficiencies communicated have been taken note of. In the Second column, reply qua the
same submitted by the petitioner has been taken note of. In the third column,
conclusions/observations qua the same have been mentioned, indicating brief reasons
why petitioner’s claim is not being accepted. On the basis of the same and other records
decision has been taken, which has been duly ratified by EC Sub-Committee vide
Resolution No. 4 in meeting dated 16-9-2005, and thereafter communication dated 17-9-
2005 has been sent, containing brief reasons for conclusions arrived at. Much emphasis
has been laid by the petitioners on the fact that report was not given, as such principles of
natural justice was violated Grievance of the petitioners has to be decided in the light of
the provisions of Section 11 of the AICTE Act, 1987. There is no obligation cast upon the
Council to supply copy of the inspection report, rather to the contrary obligation is that
the Council shall communicate to the technical institution its views in regard to result of
any such inspection, and here gist of the report has been mentioned in the show cause
notice and the same was replied by the petitioner and the said reply did not find favour,
as such it is incorrect to suggest that cause of the petitioner was in any way prejudiced on
account of non-supply of copy of inspection report, which had been prepared on the basis
of material supplied by petitioner themselves and qua which certification has been made
by Dr. Balwinder Shukla that same is based on information furnished by Institution and
cross checked by Committee by physical inspection. Thus, in the fact of present case
natural justice has been complied with, reasons are there in the record and brief reasons
have been indicated in the impugned order."
" Hon’ble Apex Court in the case of IITT College of Engineering vs. State of H.P. 2003 (7)
SCC 73 has taken the view that it is open to the AICTE/University Authorities to call upon
the petitioner to remedy the deficiencies that may be persisting at the time of granting
affiliation/approval in the future and in case of noncompliance, to take such action as is
open to them under law. Two courses were open to AICTE i.e. either to direct the
petitioner to remove deficiencies or in the alternative withdraw affiliation. AICTE in its
wisdom had chosen to withdraw recognition, as such its action being well within its
bound, is not being interfered with.

However, in the facts of the present case, as
recognition is limited only up to academic session 2005-06, and students are already
pursuing their course on the strength of interim order passed by this Court, liberty is given
to petitioner to represent the matter before AICTE after removing all the deficiencies, and it
would be open to AICTE to take appropriate decision on the same, if it is satisfied that
deficiencies mentioned have been removed, in accordance with law. This liberty does not
entitle the petitioner to run the course.

Subject to observations made above, present writ petition is dismissed.

PRESS RELEASE
W

ITHDRAWAL OF APPROVAL TO AMITY BUSINESS SCHOOL, NOIDA

All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE) in exercise of its mandate to
ensure maintenance of norms and standards to insist on fulfilment of the
minimum requirements prescribed for imparting technical education by
institutions, so that quality of courses is not compromised, has been conducting
Annual inspection and surprise inspection under Section 10(p) of AICTE Act.
Experts drawn from premier institutions participate in this exercise to identify
violations of norms and standards. It conveys the deficiencies to the institutions
for rectification. In spite of repeated advice to comply with minimum norms and
standards, many institutions continue to be complacent about taking steps to
remedy the deficiencies. This has evoked grave concern amongst all the stake
holders.
As part of the exercise, Expert Committees of AICTE have visited Amity
Business School at Noida on several occasions during the last few years and
show cause notices have been issued for violating norms and standards set by
the Council. Expert Committees visited Amity Business School, Noida recently
on 27

th July 2005 and 5th August 2005 have since found serious deficiencies and
violation of Norms and Standards. Amity Business School was also found to
conduct large number of unapproved courses in the same premises (some even
in collaboration with foreign universities which require mandatory approval
from the AICTE) utilising the facilities and infrastructure intended for AICTE
approved courses, thus diluting the standards of education. As it is, the Institute
has violated building laws and also lacks requisite built-up area as per AICTE
norms. It was also found that the admission process followed by the Institute
was not transparent and is involved in commercialisation of education by
charging exorbitant fee from students. As Amity Business School contravened
the conditions of approval, AICTE decide to withdraw approval for conduct of
PGDM (FT) and PGDM (PT) courses from the academic year 2005-06.
Consequent upon withdrawal of AICTE approval, the Council decided to
transfer and distribute the students already admitted in Amity Business
School, Noida among other approved institutions in the nearby locality.
September 17, 2005 VICE-CHAIRMAN

http://www.aicte.ernet.in/download/AllahabadHigh.pdf

THIS WILL HELP U GUYS

[ch21599]

Are boss , koi hindi mein samjhayega mujhe wat all this mumbo , jumbo means ????