Why ISB will beat IIMs

[Apurv]

Originally Posted by convolutedsignal

Some one please clarify, Aren't Bschool comparisions frowned down upon in this forum? Especially when the debate starts with "Why ISB will beat IIMs" I am sure if some one had started a "Why MDI will beat the IIMs" it would have been locked in no time. I am all for good schools like ISB but why is this forum uncharacteristically one sided in this issue? If B School comparisions are frowned down upon then this thread is no exception from any "Why ABC is better than XYZ" . ISB may be a great alternative to the IIMS but I don't see why the forum has to make any exceptions to the school. So Mods/PG do clarify.

We used to do that earlier. We realised that mudslinging happens not because of the subject of such threads but because of the misplaced priorities of the people who post in them. Let applicants, B-schools and their faculty visit such threads and see for themselves the quality of some of the students they are taking in. That is why you don't see a mod here and unless something catastrophic happens, you won't.

[rajat_nda]

This topic is now back...for obvious reasons from the long hiatus....

Personally, there can't b any comparison between the pgp at IIM A/B/C and ISB...both have a diffrent place per se, with diffrent reqmts n diffrent infrastructure...

@rmbt, 4 ur info, therez no resvn at ISB, since itz thru GMAT....

We can't say tht ISB will beat IIMs firstly because therez no cmparison, secondly bcoz IIMs hv recently come up wid d PGPX, so give it some time b4 cmparin....

I'm myself a bit perplexed, IIM A or ISB...joining ISB on 14th April, givin IIM A gd/pi mayb in Feb/Mar.....inclined 2wrds ISB though, bcoz of my work ex since NDA days...

Ppl please revive dis topic n post in ur opinions....


ciao ppl...



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[dashingdash]

Originally Posted by DesiGuru

Look poindexter and others who think there is a serious argument possible here

I told you ISB's biggest hurdle... Let me repeat for the nth time... You should continue arguing here only if you can counter the obvious facts that are presented here...

1. IIMs catch the smartest guys at a much younger age.
2. Some of the few remaining smartest guys fail to get through because of many reasons. But you will see that they either go abroad for MS or choose to go for MBA abroad after workex or choose colleges they can afford in India and then go abroad...
3. ISB gets the third chunk... ISB seat depends on how much money you have... IIM seat depends on how much RAW TALENT you have!!

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So If you have respect for your own intellect only argue if you can disprove the above by REASON and not by saying I have this friend who dropped Harvard for ISB

I have used REASON to prove that ISB is no match for IIM when it comes to student potential. Almost Anyone here who has argued for ISB has written CAT and not done too well in it or is a teenager

K

first of all you do not understand that if 1lac or so people are taking the cat everyyear, do u realize how many people are graduating every year in india? well and I am sure that number is extravagantly more than what appearing for CAT, now well from that large pool of people some decide to take the CAT but those who do not decide does not mean that they are not good enough for CAT, rather they feel that they are secure enough not to take CAT and have some job experience and then feel if they really need that MBA value addition from IIM or for that matter ISB. So due you are wrong in your presumption and being so cocky about your reason of intellect. Respect the thread and post sensible arguments and since you are dealing with numbers so before you post anything about numbers make sure you know that the statistics which you are dealing with are representative of what you are talking about. And comparing ISB or IIM is an insane idea. and let me clearly tell you that you are wrong about ur assumptions and that tells that you lack the basic necessity of any logic and that is humilty. you need it big time.

[kshatriyasandy]

wow, i cant believe that now i have more insights on what a persom thinks after geting admission in a b school..also i collected info for d icfai interview for d que why ibs and not iim...good tried to give my points, but after reading so many threads n ideas from d iim's n icfai students have shown a path to progress n take a right decision.

[subodh_iit]

@ dashingdash
DG was only referring to people with 1-2 years of experience who get into ISB after cracking GMAT. These people know that they will enter IIM anyday if given a choice. But then India never gives u choice.. U need to be top of the tops to even get a chance here.

Off course, there will be guys (who get into ISB) for whom IIM is not in any way suitable and ISB is the only option (not anymore though as A & C have launched PGPX providing better Brand Name at considerably less fee).

Now as for IIMs vs. ISB fight.
1. Brand Name wise IIMs are ahead of ISB (at least ABC).
2. 50 % of ISB junta will join IIM given a chance. Not the opposite (I do not think any IIM guy will give ISB a thot save 2-3). Rest 50% is the junta which skews the ISBs average salary to such a high level.
3. If u compare the poorest (academically speaking) Joe in ISB n IIMs or lowest salaries, ISB will win hands down, as no reservation there (FTR, ISBs lowest sal last yr was 6 lpa) . If IIMs come out with a no-reservation policy, lowest salary is sure to climb to 7-8 lakhs.
4. A guy with similar profile stand to get a better job at IIM (many implicit assumptions).
5. ISB cannot beat IIMs even in long run because IIMs have come out with their PGPX to wean away top guys from ISB. And if IIMs start favoring work-ex guys, ISB will hv difficult time filling up its benches. (Remeber it nets a neat revenues of Rs. 90 crore each year still climbing) (Implicit Assumption - Reservation Fiasco does not extend beyond 30%. Hope SC comes to IIMs rescue)

[rajat_nda]

Originally Posted by subodh_iit

@ dashingdash
DG was only referring to people with 1-2 years of experience who get into ISB after cracking GMAT. These people know that they will enter IIM anyday if given a choice. But then India never gives u choice.. ..................
start favoring work-ex guys, ISB will hv difficult time filling up its benches. (Remeber it nets a neat revenues of Rs. 90 crore each year still climbing) (Implicit Assumption - Reservation Fiasco does not extend beyond 30%. Hope SC comes to IIMs rescue)

Good analysis @Subodh...

Itz d resvn factors tht has 2 b taken care of by SC...
I for one will b joining ISB, albeit got call from all d IIMs, which I wud hav converted (for obvious reasons...pg's know!!)...
Opting for ISB chiefly bcoz of my profile and work ex...

The brand name of IIMs can't b touched even years 4m now, ISB is still young tht way n has a long way to go....many factors actually....
Itz better if v compare only d PGPX of IIM, which again needs some time to flourish...

ciao

[vipulfouraite]

what a reading ,,,what a contest ,,,,isb vs iims and what next now,,,,,north vs south,,,rice vs chapati,,,india vs pakistan,,,dollar vs euro,,,,well good sirs i am not a member of one of the celebrated b schools,,,as per ur standards ( but as per ur) a lesser mortal still will dare to speak my mind,,,,why are we making this comparison,,,because we want to prove that our college/school is the best,,and then what,,,then what good sirs,,,A BIG NOTHING,,,are we forgetting in the ultimate analysis it is YOU and only YOU who will decide things for urself,,,,i guess all this mba and mgt education is to ensure that we are also a part of the wealth making process,,,i will name a few individuals who did not have the fortune of getting educated from ranked and famed b schools but still can teach all of us a lesson or two,,,( and yes i will not name dhiru bhai ambani0
1. Mr kunwer Sachdev ( chairman SuKam - college droput - company worth 200 crore)
2. Mr J K agarwal ( chairman Kailash Group - some education - company worth 1000 crore)
3. Late Gulshan Kumar ( Owner T series - started as a small shopkeeper )

The list can keep on going,,,how many of IIM/ISB grads have personal worth of 100 crores,,,well that is because these were people who instead of wasting their time in personal ego massaging used it for high end networking,,,they may not have been educated but they are visionaries,,,what they had distinct in them is their capabilities to take risk,,,why is it that IIM/ISB/MDI/SP JAIN/IIFT/FMS/SIBM etc etc grads just keep on hopping jobs for may be better packages and try and work their way up the corporate ladders( similar to our country which is ruled by the leaders and run by the IAS/IPS/IRTS etc etc),,,,,then they fight over rankings,,have jargonistic language and HI FI meetings to justify their jobs and salaries,,,well i guess beacuse their education makes them too soft to and too aware to take risks,,,a kid can play with a snake but we instill the fear in it by telling it is a snake and similar happens to us by our education,,,we are all shit scared and insecure and hence we need numbers to keep us happy and under illusions as to how much better we are from many others,,,also probably because this is what has been left of us,,,we can only work hard on the computers and in air conditioned offices,,,how many of us can actually work hard under trying conditions ( hard physical labour and beleive me it is another prerequisite of making it big in life atleast initially),,,how many of us can actually enjoy a drink with the guy who is the poorest retailer in our scheme of things without feeling superior and condescending ( another essential for guys who have made it big),,,,finally i am sorry for having shot my mouth off,,,actually had no right to do so in the presence of so many educated and ranked big sirs,,,,but a final thought,,,had you all instead of wasting 8 pages who is superior ( and still proving nothing) had used these same pages to befreind each other imagine the gains,,,you all would have been richer both personally and professionally,,,so many intelligent and well placed freinds for so less effort but alas it was just wasted and still the eternal question who is better????

[kshatriyasandy]

wow, have not ever thought of this..i never had seen such an audacious response..now i too will work to my fullest to get into icfai,hydrebad.

[trying4MBA]

Originally Posted by shivanQ

ISB has huge salaries to project this year but that in no way means its here to supercede IIMs.

Well talking about the global scenario ISB is in true sense a global B-school ,as it takes candidates with work experience only.This is common for most of the B-Schools round the world.And so ISB in the near Future could make it into the TOP 100 of the world.

But The IIMs have a niche of selecting a big percentage of students with almost no work experience and they are known World-Wide for the same.

So though the future analysts may say raking in a big moolah may in turn raise the standards of a b-school, i beleive that,
Brand "IIM" is not that easy to be overtaken!!!

i strongly belive that the brand of a college comes coz of the students ... lets say for 6-7 consecutive years the top ppl who get admits in IIMs join ISB .... am quite sure that the brand of the college will change ... and 6 years of losing out its brightest students will not make any change to IIMs coz of their strong brand image ... it mite actualy turn out to be a WIN-WIN situation for IIMs, students and ISB ... we get another IIM kinda insti and dont have to depend only on CAT ... at times if ur luck is not good on the CAT day then god save u.... so aur ek chance milenga .... ISB will reach where they wanna reach ... and the IIMs will get a competitor ... this will keep them on their toes and in a healthy competitive market its finally the 'customer' (apun stud log rey baba) wins ...

some food for thought from my side

[spanicin]

@vipulfouraite

It couldn't have been expressed better than this. There's nothing left to be said now.
It would do the ISB and IIMs good to invite you for a guest lecture at their campus. I am sure the students will benefit.

Cheers mate, and hats off!
Sachin

Originally Posted by vipulfouraite

what a reading ,,,what a contest ,,,,isb vs iims and what next now,,,,,north vs south,,,rice vs chapati,,,india vs pakistan,,,dollar vs euro,,,,well good sirs i am not a member of one of the celebrated b schools,,,as per ur standards ( but as per ur) a lesser mortal still will dare to speak my mind,,,,why are we making this comparison,,,because we want to prove that our college/school is the best,,and then what,,,then what good sirs,,,A BIG NOTHING,,,are we forgetting in the ultimate analysis it is YOU and only YOU who will decide things for urself,,,,i guess all this mba and mgt education is to ensure that we are also a part of the wealth making process,,,i will name a few individuals who did not have the fortune of getting educated from ranked and famed b schools but still can teach all of us a lesson or two,,,( and yes i will not name dhiru bhai ambani0
1. Mr kunwer Sachdev ( chairman SuKam - college droput - company worth 200 crore)
2. Mr J K agarwal ( chairman Kailash Group - some education - company worth 1000 crore)
3. Late Gulshan Kumar ( Owner T series - started as a small shopkeeper )

The list can keep on going,,,how many of IIM/ISB grads have personal worth of 100 crores,,,well that is because these were people who instead of wasting their time in personal ego massaging used it for high end networking,,,they may not have been educated but they are visionaries,,,what they had distinct in them is their capabilities to take risk,,,why is it that IIM/ISB/MDI/SP JAIN/IIFT/FMS/SIBM etc etc grads just keep on hopping jobs for may be better packages and try and work their way up the corporate ladders( similar to our country which is ruled by the leaders and run by the IAS/IPS/IRTS etc etc),,,,,then they fight over rankings,,have jargonistic language and HI FI meetings to justify their jobs and salaries,,,well i guess beacuse their education makes them too soft to and too aware to take risks,,,a kid can play with a snake but we instill the fear in it by telling it is a snake and similar happens to us by our education,,,we are all shit scared and insecure and hence we need numbers to keep us happy and under illusions as to how much better we are from many others,,,also probably because this is what has been left of us,,,we can only work hard on the computers and in air conditioned offices,,,how many of us can actually work hard under trying conditions ( hard physical labour and beleive me it is another prerequisite of making it big in life atleast initially),,,how many of us can actually enjoy a drink with the guy who is the poorest retailer in our scheme of things without feeling superior and condescending ( another essential for guys who have made it big),,,,finally i am sorry for having shot my mouth off,,,actually had no right to do so in the presence of so many educated and ranked big sirs,,,,but a final thought,,,had you all instead of wasting 8 pages who is superior ( and still proving nothing) had used these same pages to befreind each other imagine the gains,,,you all would have been richer both personally and professionally,,,so many intelligent and well placed freinds for so less effort but alas it was just wasted and still the eternal question who is better????