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Fuqua admissions safe from hacking - 08-03-2005, 09:05 AM

March 07, 2005

Fuqua admissions safe from hacking

by Emily Almas


An unidentified hacker helped hundreds of applicants attempt to gain access to admissions decisions from the country’s top business schools Wednesday, including the Fuqua School of Business. But while some applicants at other schools were successful in viewing decision information, Fuqua’s separate database and firewall systems thwarted such access at Duke.
The hacker, using the pseudonym “brookbond,” posted hacking instructions on an online forum at Business Week’s website early Wednesday. The post, which told applicants how to access confidential admissions decisions weeks ahead of schedule, affected several dozen business schools, including Fuqua and those at Harvard University, Stanford University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Carnegie Mellon University and Dartmouth College. All of the affected schools use ApplyYourself, a Fairfax, Va.-based company that specializes in online admissions application systems.

“When it was decided to use ApplyYourself, Duke decided that [admissions decisions] would be kept separate from the ApplyYourself website,” said Chris Cramer, information technology security officer. “All of the information is kept locally until it is time to release it. It’s very tightly monitored.”

Because Duke keeps admissions decisions on a secure internal server separate from the ApplyYourself database, the one applicant who attempted to hack Fuqua’s system was unable to access any admissions decision information. The next round of admissions decisions is scheduled to be released March 24.

Some schools—such as Harvard, which had more than 100 attempted applicant hacks—did not keep the application information and admissions information on two separate systems, and applicants were able to view available decisions.

“We are backslapping with our IT people today,” Jim Gray, associate dean of marketing and communications at Fuqua, said Friday. “We’re congratulating them on that today.”

While officials, both at Fuqua and other business schools, have remained mum on whether applicants who attempted to access the information would be ultimately rejected, all indicated that the move would raise a flag on their applications.

“[This incident] won’t be positive,” Gray said. “His application has not been finally acted on, but it’s clear that this incident will have a negative impact on his application.”

The name and e-mail address of the applicant who attempted to illegally access his Fuqua decision information has been turned over to the Office of Information Technology, Gray said.

“I can’t really speak to the specifics of this case. However, it is important to note that because of the way we were using ApplyYourself with the secondary system, the student did not actually see the confidential information,” Cramer said. “Any grievance would be by the ApplyYourself company.”

ApplyYourself CEO Len Metheny told The Associated Press that applicants were only able to view their own personal admissions information. Some schools had not yet reached admissions decisions on the candidates, meaning they were unable to see if they had been admitted. Most business schools, including Fuqua, conduct admissions for their daytime MBA programs in multiple rounds.

“There were only a small number of students who actually had a decision,” Metheny said. “For the vast majority of applicants, decisions were not available in the system to be displayed. A blank page would appear.”
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09-03-2005, 01:36 PM

But, whoever applied to Harvard and had a peek at their results are going to get rejected. Harvard says that the behaviour of those applicants was unethical. But, I just wonder what is so unethical/illegal about seeing your own results. It was available on the internet without any separate password. I think it was more of Harvard's mistake than any of the applicants. Maybe they are getting confused between "Ethical Behaviour" and "Playing by Rules".

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BTW, Stanford also had 42 applicants taking a peek at their results. But, they have asked the applicants to come forward and accept the same. Maybe they are putting honesty and forgiveness ahead of other things.


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09-03-2005, 02:39 PM

Bad!! Indeed.....I thought this was something that Harvard was doin to cover their a$$......Talking of ethics and practising it are two different things completely....One needs to determine where to draw the line in such highly subjective and contentionus issues.....And indeed, so very sad to see THE party that should be smacked get away literally scot-free ---Applyyourself.com !!! Fact of the matter is, they had a $hit piece of s/w and they were wary of admitting that....They say that it was a "hack" and the HBS media managers start spinning stories outta it !!! Had expected to see a LOT more professionalism and pragmatism from what is, arguably, one of the best b-schools on the planet, and in the same breath, one that has produced the Martha Stewarts and the Enrons of the world.....And with specfic respect to this issue, i can only laugh when one says it is an issue of ethics....Adopting the holier than thou attitude can only mean a lack of understanding of the innates of the issue at hand.....If this was unethical, then what of the thousands (practically every HBS applicant) who approaches linda or any of the hundreds of "consultants" to re-re-fine their essays.....Isn't HBS getting a skewed image of the applicant !!! And a look at the BW forums indeed had me searching for words !!! Heck....All those high priests of morality giving their gospel and talking like they were the sole upholders of the cardinal tenets of morality !!! Duh!! Gimme a break....Like so many others have so very rightly mentioned both there and at /. , had the "hack" been active for more time, it is but natural for prolly thousands more to access it....Who wouldn't be ...When you've invested months, and prolly years in taking the decision to app !! At the end of the day, something that definitely shows HBS/MIT/all those other schools who decided to give an outright ding in bad light..... Prolly something that is far more damaging than the fact that their system can be "hacked" into !!!


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09-03-2005, 02:47 PM

just seeing those posts on BW.. Total hypocricy. Agree with you Subbu.. totally.

but isnt this very very similar to our own Cat results leaking - hacking episode in which some news channel named some website
imagine, IIMA saying that it will cancel admission offers of all those who peeked into their own result pages. Would have been pathetic. To their credit .. they didnt.

'Hack' .. must be a very abused word .....
again shows these so called temples of learning & hallowed portals in true light. :huh:


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09-03-2005, 02:49 PM

I feel Harvard just wants to cover its mistake and divert the attention from the main issue. What are they going to do with "applyyourself"?
I wonder what the other schools are going to do. Hope they don't follow suit.

Can there be any lawsuits against this decision?


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Can there be any lawsuits against this decision?
Technically speaking, B schools have all the cards in their favour as they officially mention that all application decisions are their prerogative & no criterion can be revealed/debated.

but the mass nature of this case & being a high profile B school, things may be diff here. & remember that admits to places like HBS too have their own personal means to follow s'thing like this.


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imagine, IIMA saying that it will cancel admission offers of all those who peeked into their own result pages. Would have been pathetic. To their credit .. they didnt
True Amit....Pretty remniscent of that episode....The IIMs look angelic now BUT truth be said....the IIMs were FAR more pragmatic and considered.....The very fact that HBS shot off an email and in a tone that cast personal aspersions indeed shows that they have quite a bit of homework to do !!!


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09-03-2005, 03:04 PM

CMU and MIT have already rejected the applicants who saw their results. Since the numbers are small these did not make news. In fact, CMU took this decision last week itself. At Dartmouth (Tuck) a decision will be taken this friday or saturday.


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Technically speaking, B schools have all the cards in their favour as they officially mention that all application decisions are their prerogative & no criterion can be revealed/debated.
I think B-Schools do not have a watertight case. Imagine a case where they have sent you a letter and before the letter reaches you, you saw your results. (Assuming that they did not want you to see the results on the internet). What do you do in such a scenario? I think we will hear more about these in the coming weeks.

Anyway, the case with IIM's was slightly different compared to this case. But, Yes the IIM's look far more mature.

I just feel that Harvard is souding ethical in a business world deviod of ethics, by taking on an easy target.


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I think B-Schools do not have a watertight case. Imagine a case where they have sent you a letter and before the letter reaches you, you saw your results. (Assuming that they did not want you to see the results on the internet). What do you do in such a scenario? I think we will hear more about these in the coming weeks.
But this case is different. Results are due only at the end of this month. So, the case of letters having been despatched & applicant seeing results before email/mail reaches them, doesnt arise. I think the successful candidates of those 119 ppl will end up suffering coz of so-called ethical stance by these schools.


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