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Re: 1 year MBA options - 12-06-2007, 02:06 AM

hi,

Thanks for that detailed reply.

please see the below details and share your thoughts.


Thunderbird , I heard it has only average placement record.
Thunderbird 2006-2007 Expenses
Tuition: $34,890 (full-time)- appox 13 lakh

Univ Of Cincinnati - 25k - approx 9lakh with 3 months internship .. so actually 15 month course..Plcmnts records decent.Strong Alumni.2nd oldest univ in US.

SP jain spore-dubai - 15 lakh .. Pacements intenational ,, and decent average.
last batch i heard got 100% placements.

Univ Of Pits(Katz)
Out-of-State Tuition: total program $42,504 (full-time) -17 lakh
placements records good.

Now tell me ROI wise whihc is the best bet.

Thanks again for keeping this node alive.

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Re: 1 year MBA options - 12-06-2007, 12:13 PM

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hi,

Thanks for that detailed reply.

please see the below details and share your thoughts.


Thunderbird , I heard it has only average placement record.
Thunderbird 2006-2007 Expenses
Tuition: $34,890 (full-time)- appox 13 lakh

Univ Of Cincinnati - 25k - approx 9lakh with 3 months internship .. so actually 15 month course..Plcmnts records decent.Strong Alumni.2nd oldest univ in US.

SP jain spore-dubai - 15 lakh .. Pacements intenational ,, and decent average.
last batch i heard got 100% placements.

Univ Of Pits(Katz)
Out-of-State Tuition: total program $42,504 (full-time) -17 lakh
placements records good.

Now tell me ROI wise whihc is the best bet.

Thanks again for keeping this node alive.

Best regards,
Firstly, how can u compare a recently opened college in DUBAI, to decently ranked colleges in the united states that have been established a century ago and have been ranked as the top 100 uni. in the world???


Secondly wats the conversion rate u have been using? 34,890$ @ 41 rs=Rs.14.30 lakhs!!!!
To this u need to add 10 k U.S dollars for your living expenses.....

If finances are feasible, the U.S ones are any day better!!!!!


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Re: 1 year MBA options - 12-06-2007, 01:02 PM

SO among the three Us listed univ for 1 yr , If I have got admisson into all three, whihc one would you sugest to join.

1)Thunderbird .

2)Univ Of Cincinnati -

3)Univ Of Pits(Katz)

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Re: 1 year MBA options - 12-06-2007, 03:51 PM

saurs. the US MBA anyday over Dubai etc...no question about that. ofcourse if u want to limit working in India/gulf...then Dubai is fine..its a good option with decent roi.
what is ur gmat? what do u wish to specialize in?
from what i know pittsburg requires undergrad degree in business for one yr MBA.
Cincinati MBA is not ranked at all.
Thunderbird placements r bad for Finance/consulting..its fine for marketing. also tbird is in arizona, phoenix so companies dont fly that far to come to campus..location is a problem..but reputation wise its ok.
rankings wise here is details:
cinncinati-not ranked-\pittsburg katx-US top 50 on US news in 2006, around 80 in Financial times, not ranked in business week.
thunderbird-US news not ranked though in specialization it is no 1 in int business, busines week-top 40-50, Financial times ranked 60 i think
check on the course fees..i think u have the wrong fees...u have given yesr one fee only..the full time one yr mba fees in dif..that way tbunderbird is the most expensive.
depends on ur gmat..if u get above 650 or maybe closer to 700 u will get scolarship if rest record is fine like work ex etc. how much work ex u have?
yes living will be $10k atleast i the US.
tell me ur gmat score and work ex...untill then its tough to decide.
i would def look at schools from this list only:
business week rankings 2006
Top 30 U.S. Programs

1 University of Chicago
2 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
3 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
4 Harvard University
5 University of Michigan (Ross)
6 Stanford University
7 MIT (Sloan)
8 UC Berkeley (Haas)
9 Duke University (Fuqua)
10 Columbia University
11 Dartmouth (Tuck)
12 UCLA (Anderson)
13 Cornell University (Johnson)
14 NYU (Stern)
15 University of Virginia (Darden)
16 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
17 UNC - Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
18 Indiana University (Kelley)
19 Yale University
20 Texas - Austin
21 University of Southern California (Marshall)
22 Georgetown University (McDonough)
23 Emory University (Goizueta)
24 Purdue University (Krannert)
25 University of Maryland (Smith)
26 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza)
27 Washington University (Olin)
28 Rochester (Simon)
29 Michigan State University (Broad)
30 Vanderbilt University (Owen)
Non-U.S. Top 10 MBA Programs

1 Queens University
2 Western Ontario (Ivey)
3 Toronto (Rotman)
4 IMD
5 London Business School
6 INSEAD
7 ESADE
8 IESE
9 York (Schulich)
10 HEC - Montreal
U.S. Second Tier Programs

Babson
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Minnesota (Carlson)
Ohio State University (Fisher)
Penn State University (Smeal)
Thunderbird (Garvin)
Wake Forest University (Babcock)
University of Wisconsin-Madison
U.S. Programs Also Considered For Ranking

American University (Kogod)
University of Arizona (Eller)
Arizona State University (Carey)
Boston College (Carroll)
Boston University
Brigham Young University (Marriott)
Buffalo University
UC Davis
UC Irvine (Merage)
Case Western University (Weatherhead)
University of Connecticut
University of Florida
Florida International University
Fordham University
George Washington University University
University of Georgia (Terry)
Georgia Tech
Howard University
University of Iowa (Tippie)
Northeastern University
University of Pittsburgh (Katz)
Pepperdine University (Graziadio)
Rice University (Jones)
Rutgers University
University of South Carolina (Moore)
Southern Methodist University (Cox)
Syracuse University (Whitman)
University of Tennessee at Knoxville
Texas Christian University
Tulane University (Freeman)
University of Washington
William and Mary (Mason)
Non-U.S. Second-Tier Programs

University of British Columbia (Sauder)
Cambridge University (Judge)
HEC - Paris
McGill University
SDA Bocconi
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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 04:34 PM

Hi amit,

I agree completely with u and I myself would prefer US mBA than any other location
Ofcoure India remain the prority , but getting into IIM's is not easy esplly if u at onsite and not have enuff time to practise

If you search USnews.com for cincinnati or Businesswek or princeton , u wud get enough data bout cincinati.
Its a 15 months program with 3 months internship, fees is comparativly less 26k.
Ratings are good , it is a Tier 2 MBA skkool, batch size is aroud 60

Other option is Univ of Pittsburgh -$44k.. very expensive

My Gmat is not good,just 600, work ex-4 yrs with 2 onsites , good acads and extra curriculars, plus addional courses like spansih ,culural programs....so gud sop

I want to move away from IT. preferable to banking or Marketing.

ALso m in the process of gettgin H1, do u think it is worth the risk to leave all this and join cincinnati or shud prob give gmat and oter indian entrances again and join next yr.since after cincinnati mba i have to luk for H1 to strt replaying my loan whhc doesnt luk easy after Tier2 MBA.

PLs suggest.
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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 05:00 PM

saurs,
i didnt get u...r u getting a H1B visa?? is that what u meant by H1..in that case i would think u should take that and then join the MBA in the US. from what i know and experts can correct me..if u already have an H1B visa issued, then u dont need to apply for the H!B Lottery later...ie u r HiB visa Cap exempt. pls check this out...it will be a great option if this works out for u. ur work permit in the US will be taken care off!
if 44k is an issue at pittsburg, then cincinnati looks ok..though the Pittsburg MBA is anyday better from atleast the standing point of view. another MBA u can consider at same price ie..45k is Case western univ in cleveland...they also have a one yr option. i know a frind who got 600 gmat and got 50% scolarshipo at case western so ur fees wil be really less. i think with 600 gmat u would have better options than cincianti. case is probably a better option than cincinaty too mba wise. 26K at cincinati wont hurt u financially..u say there is a 3 month internship too. i guess the loan wil be quite payable...definately makes sense over SP jain dubai in my view. anyway between pittsburg, cincinati and cleveland city wise am not sure which is best,safest or has best job prospects...maybe that is imp too...
listen there r tons of options. another option which I suggest in another post regarding US visas but most people dont aggree to is while U doing ur MBA in the US, pls apply for Permanent residency in Canada. while u finsih with ur studies(PR from US for canada takes 2 yrs), u can get residency at canada and can work there if required. u will ahve 2 options(countries) open. Best of luck.
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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Hi,
My two cents. One of my colleagues, despite a respectable GMAT (650+), a 4-year undergrad in Finance from the U.S., and rich work experience (at McKinsey and later as a financial journalist/commentator at the biggest U.S. enterprise media), didn't draw great offers post-Thunderbird. I could attribute part of that to her desire to return to India, but the reputation of the degree would certainly have had more to do with the lack of offers post-matriculation.
I am no expert, but what I have gathered speaking to people is that one-year MBAs are de rigeur in Europe, while the U.S. still attaches significant importance to a full, two-year curriculum.
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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 06:04 PM

Hi,

Yes by H1 i meant H1B, so u mean to say it is better to get H1 first and at this point I shud defer my admission, even though I hav got my I20 frm cinci,I thot I wud join it and not worry bout H1 but now I think that I have to rethink.

But what about this acad yr , since I won't be able to join the MBA , if I wait to get my stmping, do u think this is the better option.

ALso can u get it confirm that if I get H1 stamped once I dun have to wait to ge i the lottery again the next time.

And does 1 yr MBA frm US would carry same wight after coming back to India.
In cse u dont; get gud offers in US , In India with tht US degree can u find jobs.

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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 07:21 PM

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Hi,

Yes by H1 i meant H1B, so u mean to say it is better to get H1 first and at this point I shud defer my admission, even though I hav got my I20 frm cinci,I thot I wud join it and not worry bout H1 but now I think that I have to rethink.

But what about this acad yr , since I won't be able to join the MBA , if I wait to get my stmping, do u think this is the better option.

ALso can u get it confirm that if I get H1 stamped once I dun have to wait to ge i the lottery again the next time.
I too have an H1-B visa, but decided to chuck goin to the U.S on an H1 and stuck to my admit. This does not mean that i will have two visas, H1 and F1.
My company will cancel my H1 once i resign, and i guess this applies to u too. :-)
Once u get a job in the U.S, ull have to go thru the H1-B formalities again. :-)


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Re: 1 year MBA options - 13-06-2007, 11:43 PM

saurs I would suggest u check on this from an immigration lawyer before taking any big step...i read this in a website/...i would suggest u spend some time onthe business week mba forum too,..there is lot of info on thsi there...am copying part of a chat from a thread there here for u to understand:





atlantis09Posts 27 Ok, here is something you guys may find useful -----
1) IF you have already been on a H Visa (work Visa), you will not be counted against the Quota again. So, this is a safe bet.
2) If you are going to file your H VISA under MS/MBA Quota , then you DO NOT have to wait untll October to start. You can start working on your H VISA as soon as you get your receipt of filing (2 weeks?)
Well, you dont have to take my word for it. You can verify with any attorney! But I am pretty darn sure that both the above pointers are True !!!

Options ReplyTo atlantis09Apr-18 8:12 PMMsg 72118.37 reply to 72118.3637 of 236R_LarsenPosts 1 Interesting article on why the cap was reached so quickly:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/12/business/visa.php

Options ReplyTo romil_jainApr-19 3:11 AMMsg 72118.38 reply to 72118.2938 of 236GardiDevangPosts 23 IMHO...you do not need to worry. My younger brother went through the same ordeal once he graduated from not such a great school in 2004. From what I implied about the whole situation was that some employers are willing to sponsor an international and some are not.
The main difficulty for him was to find one that sponsored his work visa. Once he found one, the company's lawyers took over. I believe that once you get the H1 reciept ( not the actual visa) in your hand you can start working. FYI....he is not working for a top MC, a BB investment bank or a fortune 500. He is working for an American subsidary of a Swedish manufacturing MNC.
Everyone I know who completed graduate school in the US is working in the US (if he or she desires to).

Options ReplyTo atlantis09Apr-19 10:01 AMMsg 72118.39 reply to 72118.3639 of 236BombayDudePosts 67 Hey atlantis, could you clarify point 1 again. I'm on H1 B right now but will be shifting to F1 for my MBA. After graduating, I assume I have to apply for an H1 B again right? Now you say this won't be counted in the quota? Are you sure about this?

One point that many seem to have missed here is that most MBA courses end in May/ June. That means once cannot apply for the Masters quota unless one gets the degree in hand. As the quota opens in April, there is a good chance, it will be over before the time we graduate.

Options ReplyTo GardiDevangApr-19 10:02 AMMsg 72118.40 reply to 72118.3840 of 236topdog_inPosts 69 Well the only reason why your brother was able to work was because in 2004 this issue was not there. In fact last year it took 60 days for the h1B quota to get completed. However this year they are going to do a lottery. So getting that slip means nothing. All it means is that your application has been received.....so sorry but you are wrong. This year is enirely different from the past.
Options ReplyTo topdog_inApr-19 10:27 AMMsg 72118.41 reply to 72118.4041 of 236BombayDudePosts 67 So let’s say normally we were supposed to graduate in May 2009. Now by the time we graduate there are no H1s left.

The options are:

1. Speak to your university and take a minimal course load until December 2009. During that time I guess we can work part time legally. Graduate in Dec 2009 and start OPT. Now your company will file under the Masters quota in Apr 2010 and you will get H1 B in Oct 2010, while your OPT is still valid.

2. Graduate as usual in May/ June 2009 and join your company on OPT. The company applies for H1 in Apr 2010. By May 2010, your OPT expires. In this case you have some options:
a. Remain on F1 status by re-enrolling for some courses at some college. Continue to work part time until H1 in Oct 2010.

b. Ask your company to post you in some other country for 4 months between May to Oct. I guess best option would be Canada/ UK/ Europe.

c. Ask your company to post you in home country like India, China etc. Hopefully they pay you the same US salary for those 4 months . Then re-enter once H1 is ready.

Options ReplyTo romil_jainApr-19 11:43 AMMsg 72118.42 reply to 72118.3042 of 236kimiPosts 20 Guys, as someone who went through the H1 process last year and really got screwed up, I would advise you to start doing research on the process very early (at least before your second yr of grad school). There is a lot of misinformation out there, as well as a lot of good information. Really and truly, the whole process is a gamble, but of all the people I know who applied last year, I'm the only one who got messed up. So there's still hope. This type of conversation happens every year around this time, and will go on at least until October when people aren't so scared about what will happen with their own situation.
My advice: do research online, talk to immigration lawyers, talk to students you know that have gone through the process. Also, companies are more helpful and understanding than you may think, so don't be afraid to discuss it with your employer. Luckily for me, I still have another chance when I complete my grad degree and from what I've seen, the odds are not as terrible as people may want you to believe. Just make sure you know that your employer is aware of the situation and what they need to be doing and keep them up-to-date and stay ahead of your game.
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