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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 07-11-2009, 11:46 PM

Hi Keerti,

The numbers you were given for PGPX don't seem to add up. For IT Project Leads with average experience of 9 years from the IT industry, the average salary is 13L. See Salary Checker Tool ? Check Your Salary online at Paycheck India - you might need to fill up the survey before you get results.

Assuming those joining the course are good enough to earn a couple of lakhs more than their peers, that will still translate to 14-16L as incoming salary. Even if outgoing salaries started at 16L, I'd say very few would have earned less than their incoming salaries. My suspicion is that those who received less than their incoming salary were probably looking for a job role switch and were willing to take the hit. Of course, one assumption here is that we are not comparing before-and-after salaries of those who relocated to India.

Looking at the possibility of average salary being overhyped by the highest offer... Let's say the highest salary was 50L (I couldn't find the actual highest anywhere, so making this assumption), and 2 students got this number. If so, using a base of 63 students and average of 20.1L, the average for the rest would have been 19.1L. Given the kind of economic situation in which they graduated - where even mass-scale recruiters like Infosys had frozen hiring for freshers completely, which would mean that manager/executive openings would have been non-existent - I'd say this was pretty good.

About whether I would be willing to take a pay cut - my objective post MBA is to join a small organization with general management responsibilities. I intend to use this opportunity to grow with the org and then translate the skills acquired to a larger firm in a leadership role. For me, a cut in pay (if it really comes to that) is acceptable as long as the program gives me the opportunities I want. I anticipate the the salary growth trajectory would be much sharper than my current salary growth, and I'm willing to take a long-term view of things rather than just look at the salary coming out of b-school. There's also the soft factor of doing a job that is more desirable than what I'm currently doing. I'm not sure how to place a monetary value on that.


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Puys,
This has been a useful discussion.

I am still dilly dallying. I talked to ex-students of both PGPX and ISB.

ISB students told me about the difficulty in placing those with higher experience and that the salaries/roles offered to them were at par with the students with lesser experience.But the gainers at ISB are the ones with lesser experience who see a substantial increase in renumeration and roles.

PGPX students were of the opinion that I should not have very high hopes of placement in terms of renumeration post PGPX. With an average experience of 8/9 years, the average salary of 20 L looks a dismal figure.
Assuming there would be many more people below this average, I assume many guys in that experience range also get placed well below this salary.My concern is wouldnt a guy with 8/9+ years already be in that salary range or above it.The average salaries are further jacked by the single overhyped highest offer. He further went on to say that most people were placed at the salary levels before joining PGPX and sometimes even lesser than that.

Any thoughts ?

For those arguing that MBA is not a money making machine would you take a pay cut or go on similar salary post PGPX/ISB ?

PS- do i have to have a google id to join the admits/WL google group.
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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 08-11-2009, 10:34 PM

Hi Friends
I have admit in PGPX, I feel its a great opportunity for me. However, I have some restrictions which may force me to seek deferment to the next year. My query is do I need to pay the second commitment fee of Rs 2.5 lakh also by 15 Jan in case I intend to seek deferment to the next batch or just the first commitment fee is enough.
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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 08-11-2009, 10:38 PM

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I have admit in PGPX, I feel its a great opportunity for me. However, I have some restrictions which may force me to seek deferment to the next year. My query is do I need to pay the second commitment fee of Rs 2.5 lakh also by 15 Jan in case I intend to seek deferment to the next batch or just the first commitment fee is enough.
Congratulations on the admit. I believe you can talk to adcom after paying the first commitment fee of 4.5L and if adcom grants you the deferrel based on your strong reasons, you do not need to pay the 2.5L in Jan 10.

This is my understanding but you may talk to adcom/seniors for further confirmation.

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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 10-11-2009, 01:48 AM

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About whether I would be willing to take a pay cut - my objective post MBA is to join a small organization with general management responsibilities. I intend to use this opportunity to grow with the org and then translate the skills acquired to a larger firm in a leadership role. For me, a cut in pay (if it really comes to that) is acceptable as long as the program gives me the opportunities I want. I anticipate the the salary growth trajectory would be much sharper than my current salary growth, and I'm willing to take a long-term view of things rather than just look at the salary coming out of b-school. There's also the soft factor of doing a job that is more desirable than what I'm currently doing. I'm not sure how to place a monetary value on that.
For a smaller organization or startups, the title or designation really doesnt matter. I recently interviewed the CIO of a startup/small firm for a senior programmer role. So for all practical purposes, I cannot compare the designations and responsibilties in a small firm with the big ones.

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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 10-11-2009, 03:46 PM

Fair enough. I was not trying to compare designations. And I've been part of a tech startup, so I know that they give inflated titles to the technical employees. CTOs and CIOs in small startups are often the equivalent of Technical Architects in a larger organization.

What I was trying to say is that I'd like to get into roles which give me the opportunity to demonstrate general management skills - COO, marketing/sales head etc. From what I can see, organizations like FINO, Infrasoft, iRunway, Sankhya etc. have made such offers to PGPX. These are not companies that were started yesterday or floundered. They're fairly established at the current time. Joining with LOB responsibilities in such organizations is a career move that I find attractive. If you don't share the view, I understand - it depends on personal preference.

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For a smaller organization or startups, the title or designation really doesnt matter. I recently interviewed the CIO of a startup/small firm for a senior programmer role. So for all practical purposes, I cannot compare the designations and responsibilties in a small firm with the big ones.
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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 10-11-2009, 11:39 PM

Guys, I had bit lower GMAT and will be writing that again and reapplying. Besides working on GMAT, I am thinking what all I should improve by next year as adcom give special attention to what all changed in one year.

There was one section in application 'all trainings you have done for personal improvement'. I am in technical consulting so my trainings are mainly technical. What other training program I can do that can add value. I am considering 3-5 days workshops (was able to think of IIMB open courses). But feel they are bit expensive considering my company will not reimburse them as my job profile do not need it and we have many web courses in our intranet site. Is it okay to write them in application? Please advise!
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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 11-11-2009, 01:51 AM

puys,
After lots of dilly dallying, I have made up my mind of giving PGPX a pass.
I would not list down the reasons here since I do not want to clutter the thought process of others.
I talked to some ex-PGPX'ians and ISB'ians. Both of them had good things to say about their school as compared to the other. As we know that most of the alumni are supposed to be the spokesperson for their school and we cannot expect them to critique their alma-mater over another school.
I was lucky enough to have met few people in person through personal contacts who shed their role of being the spokesperson and gave me the true and candid picture, which helped me to make up my mind.
Thanks a lot guys for the useful discussions here.
I hope we all do well irrespective of which school we choose.

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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 11-11-2009, 02:10 AM

Keerti,

I respect your decision and perhaps it will bring some cheer to the puys in waiting ... However, I would like to ask what had changed so much in the last 6 months or so that you finally decided to give it a pass. I mean what was the purpose that you started with in first place and how do you see that it will not be achieved by PGPX?

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After lots of dilly dallying, I have made up my mind of giving PGPX a pass.
I would not list down the reasons here since I do not want to clutter the thought process of others.
I talked to some ex-PGPX'ians and ISB'ians. Both of them had good things to say about their school as compared to the other. As we know that most of the alumni are supposed to be the spokesperson for their school and we cannot expect them to critique their alma-mater over another school.
I was lucky enough to have met few people in person through personal contacts who shed their role of being the spokesperson and gave me the true and candid picture, which helped me to make up my mind.
Thanks a lot guys for the useful discussions here.
I hope we all do well irrespective of which school we choose.
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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 11-11-2009, 02:34 AM

@royta1
To begin with I was not sure of my career goals post PGPX/ISB. In fact I wasnt even sure that I wanted to do a one yr MBA. All I was sure of was returning to India. My career goals started shaping up when I did some soul searching while writing the essays.

Recently I had gone to India and visited both ISB as well as IIMA and talked to a few guys on campus.All of them said good things about their respective schools.

During this time, one of my closest buddies intoduced me to his friend who post PGPX was posted at Bangalore. I flew down to Bangalore to meet him as I knew that he would give me a more frank picture being a common friend.
After this I met an ISB alumni in Delhi though another chose friend.After talking to both of them I found that both schools have their negative points.

I had been in constant touch with them and have been thinking about which school would give me the best value in terms of my career and which is more aligned with my career goals.It has taken quite some time and numerous discussion with these people to take a decision.

If you are interested in any other specifics, please PM me.

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Re: IIMA PGPX Class of 2011 aspirants! - 13-11-2009, 12:04 PM

Guys,
any idea on what rate of interest (negotiated minimum) does Banks provide for education loan of Rs11lacs?
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