[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by sammave

Hi,
Really informative thread.
- Can anybody provide some information on Masters In Technology management Program at UIUC ( other than what is mentioned on the program site).
- Are there more programs in US which offer specialization in technology management ( for experienced candidates who have 4-6 years of technology exp). thanks in advance.

The best Technology Management, Industrial Engineering, Engineering Management programs tend to be offered by the Universities that house top Engineering schools - so yes, you should find such programs in the US quite easily. A pattern seen more recently is to offer quasi-technical programs in biotech / healthcare / systems engineering / operations research etc. Example - MS in IT - eBusiness Technology... or MS&E ... or... TPP Curriculum....

Check out the US news ranking of America's best Graduate Engineering Schools - and research their websites for programs offered by their professional schools of engineering, sciences or computing and check out the university's business school as well for any inter-disciplinary programs combining engineering and management subjects.

UIUC is a well known engineering school and you shouldn't worry about the program's quality. The larger problem is the US (& most western economies).

Good luck.

[cyberbugin]

HI DUDUE FIRSTLY NICE WORK ...... INFORMATIVE THREAD.....

WANTED TO ASK YOU ABT FIELD OF HR.....

i wanted to knw wht other option i have for HR other than MBA....???
(india or anywhere)

i do understand abt its field,,,,like recruitments ....T &D ....payrolls ...compensation ....etc etc....but i always thought that HR would go beyond this ...all.....and would become a integral part of a company development and more sort of ECONOMICS+HR...process or we can say project start process thing.....

i have to admit i always couldnt put this in proper example sort of thing untill i meet this xlri mba chap ...now i have a example of the term "integral"............He has done his mba and is into M&A part for his company...started with generalist post and all ...now he sits with finnance guys when they think of M&A ....looking upon all factors by which he can use that HUMAN resources to a good deal or money or proper integration....as we can put it....
so i wanted to knw you have any information abt various HR options apart from the standard ones.... ...so that i can bring more value to the field and study something more differrrrrent and wide....

hope i have been clear ......

thanx
note: just to be clear i do think HR is not a all support no revenue thing...its still is a money creating thing for company as there in ROI( return on investment ) for recruitment and T&D ...so i ama beliiiiiiverrrrrrrr in the field......
me:BE+3yrs wrk-ex

[globetrottr]

BaccardiSprite - your precise answers are brilliant. Thank you for starting this thread.

I need some advice on the MSc in International Business programs I'm considering.

Profile:
Graduated high school in '02, worked for a coupla years in IT and retail, got a B.S in Management Information Systems and Marketing from Arizona State University (CGPA 3.82), been working in IT for a few months, taking the GMAT on Jan 23 (projected score: approx 730). Currently learning French, to be at least a B1 level before the start of Sept 09. I also plan to start learning Spanish soon, and be about an A2 by the time September rolls around.

I'm considering a Masters in International Management, and am applying to HEC (with CEMS option), LSE, RSM with CEMS(Rotterdam), ESCP-EAP and two safe options (need to choose from Essec, Grenoble, Audencia Nantes, Cass and Stockholm School of Economics).

1. What are the career opportunities like, for HEC, LSE, RSM and ESCP-EAP?

2. I can't decide on the safe schools - some help on reputation and employment opportunties after graduation, if you happen to know, would be wonderful.

3. While I know that Europe is, geographically, where I want to be for the next 5-7 years, I want to, somewhat hesistantly, add that I have no idea what kind of profile I am looking at, having graduated with a Masters in International Management. I realize a quasi-technical degree might make looking for a position easier, but I really, really like the curriculum that constitutes these IManagement degrees.

4. What is the reputation of CEMS like? Is it as good as Financial Times will have me believe? The concept of CEMS reads great, but I have no clue how it translates to actual employment opportunities.

5. What is the working visa situation like, if an Indian national wanted to work in the EU after graduation?

I realize this is a lot of questions, but I really would be extremely, extremely grateful if you could possibly help me out with this. Mucho, mucho gracias.

-Rish

[Sklar]

I'm interested in the CIMA. I will be graduating in 2009.( mumbai university, B.com-banking and insurance). What are the employment opportunities after passing or getting the diploma in management accounting from CIMA in India?

[20.deepak]

If CFA is as good as MBA finance then y to spend so much doing MS Finance/ MBA finance..basically how do we compare CFA and MBA FIn and MS FInance

[avantgarde]

Originally Posted by baccardisprite

There might be courses in marketing... but going through them, they look a bit fluffy to me... I would always suggest more quantitative programs for people. An MBA would for you be a more rounded experience.

Hi...i too am looking for courses in Marketing, mostly in UK. I went through a few course/universtiy websites offering those and I am not quite sure I understand what you mean when u say 'Fluffy'? Are they really not what they are presented to be...not worth the investment?

Also, considering I have 3 years of Work ex in Market Research, would you recommend the courses?

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by cyberbugin

HI DUDUE FIRSTLY NICE WORK ...... INFORMATIVE THREAD.....hope i have been clear ......

thanx
note: just to be clear i do think HR is not a all support no revenue thing...its still is a money creating thing for company as there in ROI( return on investment ) for recruitment and T&D ...so i ama beliiiiiiverrrrrrrr in the field......
me:BE+3yrs wrk-ex

Firstly - I apologize to you and other posters for delayed responses, as I haven't really managed to log into PG for the last several weeks.

Secondly - Happy New Year to you and I wish you and all of PG a lot of success in 2009 and beyond.

You're quite right about the evolution of HR in the last 5-7 years, and I am glad to see you have made the effort to gather usable & applicable insight about this field.

Like marketing however, HR remains a local / regional function in the first 5-7 years in a person's career in this field. Early to mid-career HR roles tend to be local where you have to be a native of the country where the company operates / places you and speak at least one of the local languages with native fluency. As an example - you cannot expect to get into an HR role in a Spanish company in Spain without speaking Spanish and knowing a lot about Spanish / Latin culture.

International / Global HR roles tend to be senior roles for people with 8-10 years (age 35-40) for people who have acquired a lot of experience in the field and further specialized in this function for particular industries or industry groups. They also (as you have rightly pointed out) tend to have business strategic (read M&A due diligence / acquisition integration) responsibilities at this level. Needless to say - their skills go beyond just HR, they have a firm understanding of their company's business, industry and what it really takes to grow the business (good people and skillful commerce). A person interested to reach here generally has to do the hard yards!

I would therefore suggest you apply to one of India's stronger MBA programs (IIM, XL, FMS, IIFT or even ISB), try to swing an entry into the (possibly HR focussed) Leadership / Rotational Program of a major industry player. A close friend of mine graduated XLRI 3 years ago and is now a regional HR executive with a major Telecom player (started in India, now based in Singapore). So certainly workable and you're still young enough to start here (24-25?).

Secondly - please don't feel shy to network. Family / friends of family / your friends (who may / not be in the field) are all excellent sources of information and advice. Connect to people and you will find opportunities in front of you and doors opening.

Third - use your time to learn a major foreign language! It will improve your employment prospects in this field immensely.

Hope all this is useful and all the best.

Cheerz

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by globetrottr

BaccardiSprite - your precise answers are brilliant. Thank you for starting this thread.

I need some advice on the MSc in International Business programs I'm considering.

-Rish

Hi, I have answered your PM. Apologies again for the delay.
Cheerz & All the best.

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by 20.deepak

If CFA is as good as MBA finance then y to spend so much doing MS Finance/ MBA finance..basically how do we compare CFA and MBA FIn and MS FInance

Educational choices depend on career choices. MBAs tend to go into more commercially focussed finance careers - the sell side of the business i.e banks (investment, commercial and retail + corporate finance orgs of companies). The sell side "seeks" capital / funds / Investment, and as such requires "marketing" and networking skills. Investment banks find clients to lend to and borrow from. MBAs also tend to target the financial leadership and rotational programs of major industrial companies.

CFAs are heavily quantitative financial analysis careers (securities, equities and alternative investments) that find their niche in the buy side of the business - i.e with firms that have capital to invest (PE, HF, VC and funds of funds, pension funds etc, and more recently sovereign wealth funds, and corporate organizations investing their funds).

CFAs typically provide insight into the risk/reward equation going into investing funds, and as such have to be highly quantitative in their outlook (of course reasonable communicators as well). As such, being buy-side - these tend to have "more power" so to speak, particularly now when the banks are scrambling to beef-up asset bases. Over the years, the buy-side is a sought after career for financial professionals.

CFA Charterholders (and specialized MS Finance graduates to an extent) tend to be respected in buy-side roles because they have gone through a rigourous, professionally endorsed and highly quantitative program.

Cheerz & good luck

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by avantgarde

Hi...i too am looking for courses in Marketing, mostly in UK. I went through a few course/universtiy websites offering those and I am not quite sure I understand what you mean when u say 'Fluffy'? Are they really not what they are presented to be...not worth the investment? Also, considering I have 3 years of Work ex in Market Research, would you recommend the courses?

Marketing courses are of course less quantitative than financially focussed courses. That's why I used the term fluffy.

To also put my opinion in context - IF you seek a marketing career in the UK (example), it will be a challenge at your age given you don't have applicable UK based experience. Marketing is a people / customer - oriented / culturally focussed function and not having any insight into any of these would make you unsuitable (in recruiter's eyes) for a UK based marketing career immediately after your (even if) Masters in Marketing. It's not the course itself - it's you!

To make yourself more saleable to a UK job market - you need to do at least initially focus on careers where the UK job market accepts non-UK and non-EU candidates. These careers tend to be more quantitatively focussed, like operations and finance. After gathering relevant industry experience - people do shift into more client facing roles like sales & marketing.

IF you want to work in marketing in India - pointless going for a Master's Degree abroad.

Hope that clarifies.

Cheerz and good luck.