[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by fiorano

hi all.i have been a passive member for a long time.this is my first post here.so here goes

i am planning to apply for Msc from manchester.
i have gone through their website about the min. requirements.
i have a cgpa of 9 and i will be giving my IELTS soon.
realistically what cgpa & IELTS score is needed for MBS?are there any additonal requirements? also are the chopras the best people to contact for the admission procedure in delhi?
regards

The objective requirements are exactly what're stated on the school's website. The subjective requirement is of course that you make a strong case for your admission there through a set of clearly articulated essays about what you want to do with your career and why the MSc from MBS is the program that will help you.

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by swati.sudhakar

hello guys..
this is a nice way to introduce myself to all of u i guess.. i am absolutely new to this site.. so it'd b great to make new frnds who can guide me as well as fun.. i am pursuing my CA.. n i am realy wishing to go abroad after my CA for an MBA... unfortunately i dnt hv a work experience. We have articleship for 3 yrs. but it is not included in work ex as i hv been told.. ne1 hving ne knowledge if it is or not..
plz lemme no. i am not willing to work for 2 yrs b4 i join a b school because of the time constraints i hv.. so i'd love if u guys can guide me thru my journey to achieve my dream of making it to a good b school abroad.

as of wateva i hv read so far it seems that i hv to 1st make lot of efforts to find out abt the colleges.. so i'd need help there too

if there are ppl out here who hv walked thru the same path as me of gettin into a bschool in US or Uk without workex plz help me out..

N as far as i hv heard an MSc or MA after CA wldnt be of much value as compared to CA..so wat do u think?? thanx guys..
cheers

Who are the experts who told you there's no value for an MSc or MA after or during a CA? What was the rationale for such advice.

The concept of b-school without experience is a very Indian concept and has very little merit (if at all) outside our shores.

With no idea of what you want to do with your career or the reasons for the "time constraints" you mention, near impossible for any one to give you actionable insight or valuable advice. You seem unsure of what you want professionally.

CA Articleship / Associateship, as long as undertaken full-time (and paid for) can & should be counted as full-time experience.

Think a little more and post again with more specific information, and you'll get help.

Cheerz & Good luck

[baccardisprite]

Originally Posted by firedrocket

Dear Baccardisprite and fellow Puys,

I'm a BE graduate in ECE with 4.5 yrs of IT experience (retail domain)
with a Software services company (TCS).

I would like to shift my area of work to Product development.
Though not interested (and nil exp) in software product devpt, my interests are to work in the area of design and development of consumer-friendly innovative products like consumer goods, electronics etc (any marketable general merchandize) or in the area of research where cuting-edge technologies are played around (nano tech, Computer-brain interface etc).

My dream role is to manage any product development firm or research lab
(as said above) wherein I would like to understand the customer needs,
analyse market, provide best innovative solutions as a team and also manage - new initiatives, supply chain of new product and the financial part.

Companies like 3M & NASA interests me a lot..I'm not specific about any geography for working or for higher studies (Ok with India or abroad).

Could you please answer the following?
1. What are different roles that are availabe in the job market
matching my interest? How good is this domain in terms of job prospects and salary?
2. How can I attain my aspirational/dream role?
3. Should I go for any specific course in Product development? What are the study options available (India or abroad)?
4. There is a Masters degree in Product Service System Design offered by
Politecnico Di Milano, Italy (www.polimi.it). Also TU Delft offers some courses in design.
Any idea about this school / course and its future prospects?

I'm eagerly waiting for your response. Kindly reply. Thanks in advance.

Excellent set of questions!

1. Product Development means different things to different companies in different industries. In certain industries, R&D and product development are used interchangeably. In others - product development is the function which:

- Either designs products or services around customer / consumer need
- Or executes / manages the engineering & trial manufacture of product or service, finally overseeing its launch before handing over the daily management / sales of the product to the appropriate functions
- a combination of the above

The people who get these jobs are "normally" 7-10 years experienced and have a combination of operational / supply chain or R&D and marketing / franchise and sales jobs under their belt.

Clearly, a sought after position in engineered product, and manufacturing focused industries including FMCG, Tech hardware, electronics, life sciences etc... Salaries are competitive and for the right candidates (experience and profile) can cross six-figures.

2. One scenario is to be patient, search around job sites to see if you can make the interim move into even a software / design using software focussed product development job (product / service engineering). Try getting into a more client facing role and see if it's possible for you to get more commercially focused experience. Try also to look for friends in your network who are in jobs with product development / product management elements in them.

In this scenario - try and gain experience before further education and you have something valuable to take to your new employer.

3. This is your other option and your second scenario - if you can swing a good GMAT / GRE, build a compelling rationale for your career and get good academic and professional references - MIT's Engineering Systems degree would be my top pick and recommendation. Have a look at esd.mit.edu

In the next 1 to 1.5 years, learn a foreign language.

Cheerz

[swati.sudhakar]

Hey, thanx for ur reply 1stly.
2ndly yes u understood well that I am quite unclear with regards wat I wanna do exactly. I’d say that I am just confused with regards how to get wat I wish to do.
Let me frame it down to you my thots. It’d actually help me too to streamline my thots n help me to get my head straight.

Basically CA is smth I just hppnd to do. It was never wat I wanted to do. But that doesn’t stop me from doin it or be motivated to do it. Its not that I don’t like it. But its not smth I see myself doin in the long run. I am doin my articleship from a reputed CA firm. I have the knowledge of work. So work experience if counted is well and good because by the time I apply to colleges I’ll hv 3 yrs of it. 2ndly I am looking to do smth that is dynamic which involves Application of mind, innovative, exciting and which requires me to do smth new each time. So as far as I c it marketing and stategy is smth I wld fit into.. I would want to make it my primary focus and CA can be an add on which wld help me obvioiusly in wateva I do.

time factor ---I am a 21 yr old gal. I am pursueing my CA. BY the time I finish my CA I wld b 22 or 23. After which I start preparing myself for MBA or Msc colleges. And by the time I get into 1 it’d be 24.

However if I am goin in for an MBA which requires work ex and dsnt count articleship as experience then I’d hv to work till appx 25 and then try for colleges,it wld b late for me to study considering Indian principles of getting married by 26-27..

It would be great if u could throw me a few questions which would help me find out wat I really want if wat I rote still makes u think tht I am not sure of wht I want.

Thank you once again
Eagerly waiting for ur enlightening response.

Originally Posted by baccardisprite

Who are the experts who told you there's no value for an MSc or MA after or during a CA? What was the rationale for such advice.

The concept of b-school without experience is a very Indian concept and has very little merit (if at all) outside our shores.

With no idea of what you want to do with your career or the reasons for the "time constraints" you mention, near impossible for any one to give you actionable insight or valuable advice. You seem unsure of what you want professionally.

CA Articleship / Associateship, as long as undertaken full-time (and paid for) can & should be counted as full-time experience.

Think a little more and post again with more specific information, and you'll get help.

Cheerz & Good luck

[fiorano]

guys need help.
hows the university of strathclyde for its MBA and MSc courses?

[VJ rock !]

Quite useful thread !!!
Thanks for all the insights !!!

[VJ rock !]

Hi all,

This thread is quite useful...Thanks to the community leader.
Well to introduce myself,I am working in the field of Energy (regulatory and strategic role) , have around 2+ years of work exp.
And I am very keen to take up strategic roles at higher levels...

I am very keen to pursue MBA abroad...but financial aspects r of major concern....
Well,simultaneously i have been browsing thru other international educational options that may gel strategy,economics with energy....

I came across Technology policy programs of MIT .... Engg Technology Policy program of Carnegie....but wonderin does tht have management/economic aspect into it as well......
Moreover they ask for GRE scores !!!

Got to give both GMAT and GRE ???

What other options can I look at ???

Would be v thankful if anyone wid any such info could help me out !!!

[swati.sudhakar]

Hello..
i am eagerly waiting for sm1 to rply to this thread...
plz reply soon
thanx

Originally Posted by swati.sudhakar

Hey, thanx for ur reply 1stly.
2ndly yes u understood well that I am quite unclear with regards wat I wanna do exactly. I’d say that I am just confused with regards how to get wat I wish to do.
Let me frame it down to you my thots. It’d actually help me too to streamline my thots n help me to get my head straight.

Basically CA is smth I just hppnd to do. It was never wat I wanted to do. But that doesn’t stop me from doin it or be motivated to do it. Its not that I don’t like it. But its not smth I see myself doin in the long run. I am doin my articleship from a reputed CA firm. I have the knowledge of work. So work experience if counted is well and good because by the time I apply to colleges I’ll hv 3 yrs of it. 2ndly I am looking to do smth that is dynamic which involves Application of mind, innovative, exciting and which requires me to do smth new each time. So as far as I c it marketing and stategy is smth I wld fit into.. I would want to make it my primary focus and CA can be an add on which wld help me obvioiusly in wateva I do.

time factor ---I am a 21 yr old gal. I am pursueing my CA. BY the time I finish my CA I wld b 22 or 23. After which I start preparing myself for MBA or Msc colleges. And by the time I get into 1 it’d be 24.

However if I am goin in for an MBA which requires work ex and dsnt count articleship as experience then I’d hv to work till appx 25 and then try for colleges,it wld b late for me to study considering Indian principles of getting married by 26-27..

It would be great if u could throw me a few questions which would help me find out wat I really want if wat I rote still makes u think tht I am not sure of wht I want.

Thank you once again
Eagerly waiting for ur enlightening response.

[LEO30]

Originally Posted by swati.sudhakar (International educational options beyond the MBA)
Hey, thanx for ur reply 1stly.
2ndly yes u understood well that I am quite unclear with regards wat I wanna do exactly. I’d say that I am just confused with regards how to get wat I wish to do.
Let me frame it down to you my thots. It’d actually help me too to streamline my thots n help me to get my head straight.

Basically CA is smth I just hppnd to do. It was never wat I wanted to do. But that doesn’t stop me from doin it or be motivated to do it. Its not that I don’t like it. But its not smth I see myself doin in the long run. I am doin my articleship from a reputed CA firm. I have the knowledge of work. So work experience if counted is well and good because by the time I apply to colleges I’ll hv 3 yrs of it. 2ndly I am looking to do smth that is dynamic which involves Application of mind, innovative, exciting and which requires me to do smth new each time. So as far as I c it marketing and stategy is smth I wld fit into.. I would want to make it my primary focus and CA can be an add on which wld help me obvioiusly in wateva I do.

time factor ---I am a 21 yr old gal. I am pursueing my CA. BY the time I finish my CA I wld b 22 or 23. After which I start preparing myself for MBA or Msc colleges. And by the time I get into 1 it’d be 24.

However if I am goin in for an MBA which requires work ex and dsnt count articleship as experience then I’d hv to work till appx 25 and then try for colleges,it wld b late for me to study considering Indian principles of getting married by 26-27..

It would be great if u could throw me a few questions which would help me find out wat I really want if wat I rote still makes u think tht I am not sure of wht I want.

Thank you once again
Eagerly waiting for ur enlightening response.

Hi..!! though not addressed to me.. but still would like to throw a torch....!!

Definitely you are not very clear about what you want to do.. but I am telling you.. you are not alone... though don't have statistics.. but I guess you will find a whole crowd going ahead for MBA abroad.. with the same mindset..!!

fiist of all.. I appreciate.. you have designed a very well "gantt chart".. for the coming years... and as you have mentioned.. cos of personal bindings.. you can't go ahead waiting for some substantial WE.. before doing an MBA...now, this is where you have to decide... understanding properly the difference between Msc and MBA:

MBA: it's more generic.. and emphasis the practical approach of doing the business.. that's the only reason why you need WE prior to joining an MBA.... they combine case studies.. presentations.. and internships.. more often.. thn the theory.. and text studies.... the classes are more about experience sharing....definitely.. it is widely accepted by the employers and a better preferred degree......!!

Whereas Msc:
Unlike MBA.. it's more into research... text studies.. emphasising more about the theoritical and conceptual details about the business.. !! Most of the time.. Msc degrees are specialised.. and it's prefered too... the course duration is slightly longer.. and the job profile and package may drastically vary as compared to an MBA.. keeping in mind that MBA specifically aims at entertaining the Employers with demand for highly matured.. and people with prior experience...!!

All in all.. going for an Msc.. would be a sensible advice.. making sure.. you choose a specialised course that suits you.. and the college.. which provides not just decent post Msc employment.. but also.. a nice blend of subjects and activities to choose from..!!

[swati.sudhakar]

hey
leo30.. thnx for rplying.. as far as i can get frm wat u wrote.. mba is more like an on the job kind of the thing while an Msc is more abt knowing and understanding the field in books..

ok now wat i want to no is.. an Msc and MBA are bothconceptually same but pratically different.. so an MSc... will hv no work ex.. so wat r his career prospects?? seems like wen an MBA n MSc stand opposite each other an MBA is preferred..for obvious reasons.. so how fruitful is it to do an MSc..

wat kinda job profiles to MSc ppl hv..

obviously if i study abroad i'd work der for 1-2 yrs.. but wat abt job prospects in india..where most of the ppl link MSc to be only sm science field..
do rply soon
ll be waiting
thanx

Originally Posted by LEO30

Hi..!! though not addressed to me.. but still would like to throw a torch....!!

Definitely you are not very clear about what you want to do.. but I am telling you.. you are not alone... though don't have statistics.. but I guess you will find a whole crowd going ahead for MBA abroad.. with the same mindset..!!

fiist of all.. I appreciate.. you have designed a very well "gantt chart".. for the coming years... and as you have mentioned.. cos of personal bindings.. you can't go ahead waiting for some substantial WE.. before doing an MBA...now, this is where you have to decide... understanding properly the difference between Msc and MBA:

MBA: it's more generic.. and emphasis the practical approach of doing the business.. that's the only reason why you need WE prior to joining an MBA.... they combine case studies.. presentations.. and internships.. more often.. thn the theory.. and text studies.... the classes are more about experience sharing....definitely.. it is widely accepted by the employers and a better preferred degree......!!

Whereas Msc:
Unlike MBA.. it's more into research... text studies.. emphasising more about the theoritical and conceptual details about the business.. !! Most of the time.. Msc degrees are specialised.. and it's prefered too... the course duration is slightly longer.. and the job profile and package may drastically vary as compared to an MBA.. keeping in mind that MBA specifically aims at entertaining the Employers with demand for highly matured.. and people with prior experience...!!

All in all.. going for an Msc.. would be a sensible advice.. making sure.. you choose a specialised course that suits you.. and the college.. which provides not just decent post Msc employment.. but also.. a nice blend of subjects and activities to choose from..!!