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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 22-09-2008, 06:14 PM

This is a really awesome thread baccardisprite.
I would like to know more about the distance Education MBAs offered by the british universities like the 1s mentioned by u. I would like to know whether it gives good ROI..Also do they provide placement facilities....And are there any loan facilities available.

Also which 1 of these programmes is rated the highest?
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 22-09-2008, 07:04 PM

Hi baccardisprite
Thanks for such nice and consolidated info...
I have two questions...
1. What is your take on programs such as Master of Engineering Management (MEM) being conducted in places such as Dartmouth and Duke University. These courses include a mix of core engineering and management courses (corporate finance, marketing, operations management etc). You can actually take courses from the respective B-Schools of the universities (Tuck, Fuqua etc).
I have 2 years of work-experience in semiconductors domain and I am planning to apply in these programs.
Don't you think they are more relevant than say the MS in ESD at MIT?

2. There are a few European B-Schools which offer Masters program in "Innovation management"/"Technology Management" (Manchester, Rotterdam, Grenoble). Do you think doing a degree program in technology management from a B-School would make sense? Or an engineering school would always be better?
Any comments you may want to share about such programs, their relevance, job prospects etc...


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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 25-09-2008, 10:59 PM

hey this is indeed one of the best threads which gives lot of information........ what if not MBA....

I am a MBA aspirant...... but want to explore options beyond regular MBA....
I have got 6 years of Work ex mostly in marketing... Post MBA from Amity Business school...... in International businesss.....

So thinking of doing MBA in Marketing from a good inst...., but still exploring options other than MBa....

Can you please throw some light on some courses which are for marketing profs... but not regular MBa....

Will look forward for reply....
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 28-09-2008, 01:06 AM

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This is a really awesome thread baccardisprite.
I would like to know more about the distance Education MBAs offered by the british universities like the 1s mentioned by u. I would like to know whether it gives good ROI..Also do they provide placement facilities....And are there any loan facilities available. Also which 1 of these programmes is rated the highest?
Distance Learning MBAs are those taken while on a given job, and therefore should not be measured on ROI. Precisely for this reason, the schools or uiversities offering these programs will not offer on-campus placement services. They don't do this for 2 reasons:

1. Distance learning is exactly what it is - an education gained while located outside or far away from the school's / university's main campus. It would be logistically impossible to offer the service + get a scaleable number of students to use it.

2. It costs money! The fees charged for an on-line / distance learning (with limited time on campus) program won't cover the costs of providing placement services, as these are typically much lower than the fees for a full-time program.

If you aren't working, a distance learning MBA shouldn't be considered unless you have any over-riding personal issues.

If you have a letter of admission and the aptitude to study, you should be able to get a loan. But with a cost of INR 10-14 spread over 2.5-3 years, you probably won't be too pressed for cash if you're working.

There's no published or established ranking of Distance Learning MBA programs, however British Universities are known to be the best at delivering distance education per say - in terms of:

- the rigor involved (subjects, exams and projects),
- the seriousness with which you need to approach the program to get the degree (these are genuine), which means you have to work hard to pass
- the technology used to deliver (books, CDs, virtual networks, electronic libraries, and the web 2.0 platforms on the internet).

I would suggest to look at any/ all of the below:

- Henley Business School (Brunel University), DL MBA
- Warwick Business School's Distance Learning MBA
- The London University External Program (Imperial College)
- Open University Business School
- Strathclyde GSB

Good luck

P.S to all - Internet, Web 2.0 and a greater inclination amongst people to simultaneously pursue careers and education (to enhance skills and build networks) has given the concept of distance learning a high degree of respectability. Provided you seek this education from the right university, you will find that it is just as academically challenging as the programs taken full-time.....
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 28-09-2008, 01:22 AM

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Hi baccardisprite, Thanks for such nice and consolidated info...I have two questions...
1. What is your take on programs such as Master of Engineering Management (MEM) being conducted in places such as Dartmouth and Duke University. These courses include a mix of core engineering and management courses (corporate finance, marketing, operations management etc). You can actually take courses from the respective B-Schools of the universities (Tuck, Fuqua etc). I have 2 years of work-experience in semiconductors domain and I am planning to apply in these programs. Don't you think they are more relevant than say the MS in ESD at MIT?

2. There are a few European B-Schools which offer Masters program in "Innovation management"/"Technology Management" (Manchester, Rotterdam, Grenoble). Do you think doing a degree program in technology management from a B-School would make sense? Or an engineering school would always be better? Any comments you may want to share about such programs, their relevance, job prospects etc...
1. Relevance is something you need to decide on. Be diligent with your research - first understand what you want to do (functionally), where you want to work (company / industry) and the geography you want to be in. Then talk to the adcomms of these programs and ask them to put you in touch with alumni and current students - find out whether the program has help them meet their own goals and objectives. Then decide whether the program is relevant for you.... Quasi-management / technical programs attract companies, just make sure they're the ones you want to work with, and (more importantly) if they will sponsor work permits !!

2. Avoid such programs..... They're just old wines in new bottles.

3. You might want to look at TU Delft in Holland. It's probably the MIT of mainland Europe, and offers some excellent and rigorous career oriented education in many engineering / management fields.

Good luck.
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 28-09-2008, 01:25 AM

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hey this is indeed one of the best threads which gives lot of information........ what if not MBA.... I am a MBA aspirant...... but want to explore options beyond regular MBA.... I have got 6 years of Work ex mostly in marketing... Post MBA from Amity Business school...... in International businesss..... So thinking of doing MBA in Marketing from a good inst...., but still exploring options other than MBa....
Can you please throw some light on some courses which are for marketing profs... but not regular MBa.... Will look forward for reply....
What do you want to do after a Master's education? Function, type of company or industry, what geography? Tell me that please - otherwise tough to give you valuable advice.
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 02-10-2008, 03:30 PM

Hello baccardisprite, thanx for this brilliant thread...
I am an MBA aspirant and am appearing for CAT n MATthis year...
I am planning to do an MBA in Shipping & Logistics Management/ Logistics Management. U had had mentioned about this in one of ur first threads. Kindly enlighten me more on this field, as in the scope in India et al... and if possible kindly refer some good Institues in India which provide this course, you had mentioned some foreign universities, but I do not plan to go abroad. Also, I am not eligible to apply to those Universities too, as I have a BA in Economics! (From my google search I found AMET in Chennai- :: AMET University :: ;which has this course, any idea about this insitute?) Kindly help...
Keep up the good work, lotsa ppl need ur advice...
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 04-10-2008, 07:55 PM

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What do you want to do after a Master's education? Function, type of company or industry, what geography? Tell me that please - otherwise tough to give you valuable advice.

hey thanks for the reply...., could not thanks earlier as i was not able to accesss this site.....

But i must say till today i dont know any option beyond MBA......, as for my back ground I did my MBA in international business from Amity delhi... for 4 years worked in exports...., thn last year I have changed tracks to retail industry... but somehow i feel that eve after 6 years of work ex I am unable to reach where i want to so just want to upgrade my self... I am looking for some good course in marketing as my career has been on marketing side like client servicing...,Now as a product manager.... so want some specialised degree related to marketing. want to pursue in europe or in usa or may in any other country where such courses are available...

If you could suggest something it will be of great help...
Thanks
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 12-10-2008, 12:39 PM

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Hello baccardisprite, thanx for this brilliant thread... I am an MBA aspirant and am appearing for CAT n MATthis year...
I am planning to do an MBA in Shipping & Logistics Management/ Logistics Management. U had had mentioned about this in one of ur first threads. Kindly enlighten me more on this field, as in the scope in India et al... and if possible kindly refer some good Institues in India which provide this course, you had mentioned some foreign universities, but I do not plan to go abroad. Also, I am not eligible to apply to those Universities too, as I have a BA in Economics! (From my google search I found AMET in Chennai- :: AMET University :: ;which has this course, any idea about this insitute?) Kindly help... Keep up the good work, lotsa ppl need ur advice... Cheers...
At the age of 21-22, shipping & logistics are not taught, they're learnt on the job. I would encourage you to start looking for a jon in this field with companies like Maersk India (who run a pretty successful Management Training program), or other shipping companies like CMA-CGM India, Mitsui OSK Lines, NOL etc... or Airline & Courier companies like DHL India. You will have to start small - earning probably INR 12-15K a month, but with ambition and professional / personal discipline, you will learn fast. 2-3 years and you'll be truly ready to take on a Master's in Logistics program.

Currently, I do not know of any good University based program in India for this particular field. Most if not all of the training is experiential and offered by various companies at various levels.

The AMET is a college to train sailors, and is not as prestigious as sailor training programs offered by MERI / Chanakya etc..
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Re: International educational options beyond the MBA - 12-10-2008, 12:46 PM

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hey thanks for the reply...., could not thanks earlier as i was not able to accesss this site..... But i must say till today i dont know any option beyond MBA......, as for my back ground I did my MBA in international business from Amity delhi... for 4 years worked in exports...., thn last year I have changed tracks to retail industry... but somehow i feel that eve after 6 years of work ex I am unable to reach where i want to so just want to upgrade my self... I am looking for some good course in marketing as my career has been on marketing side like client servicing...,Now as a product manager.... so want some specialised degree related to marketing. want to pursue in europe or in usa or may in any other country where such courses are available... If you could suggest something it will be of great help... Thanks. Parul
Would suggest a top European MBA (with Marketing and strategy specific elective courses), targetting a career with big retail in Europe. Your experience, for those who want to strategically expand in emerging markets would be quite valuable. Learn a European language please, at least to conversational levels. French or Spanish will be particularly useful if you want to move to specialty retail.
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