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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 01:50 AM
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@Simz
I sincerely appreciate your efforts and help in answering questions here at PG forum, but if you are also part of IV panel, (we know your name is Sameer and there is a Sameer in iv Panel) then IMHO you should remove yourself from one area…
I think people with lot of interaction with Sameer on this Forum will get an unfair advantage if they land-up in his panel. I mean others have only a 30 minutes window for Sameer to know them but someone here will have 30 Minuts Plus the interaction on this forum… you may have a +ve or –ve feeling about the person even before the IV….
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Well Durgesh,
U will be surprised to know that I did not know any of the candidates whom I interviewed, earlier on from PG..
But, however, if this is how people here feel about fair/ unfair advantage and as I am not in a mood to remove myself from the admission process of ISB and i guess nor is vsbadri, we shall refrain from posting any further on this thread, and leave this job to someone who is not involved with the admission.
However I must point to couple of things to u:
1) Mr. Menon is also on the forum doing the same job as myself- answering queries, albeit with 2 slight difference- a) his words are official, mine are not; b) he just sticks to factual things, I go out of my way to answer queries and give help for the interview process ( so by your logic, he should also move off PG).. If you want I can pass on the msg..
2) I have drawn a HUGE line between my iv duties and my help as a PG veteran here. I was taking all the help i could when i was applying to B schools and hence I thought its time i gave the same help back..
3) I have never answered any query for anyone that involes confidential information, or gives anyone an unfair advantage, or have discussed anyone's interview with him/her. Not even on PM. I dare anyone to refute this.
4) The screen name for most of us and our actual names are way different.. Even it were to be the same, the chances that a pg guy and myself land up in the same panel and of all the hazaar interviews that I do, i remember that person to be from pg, very remote.
5) I respect what you said, and believe you have a valid point.. So as promised, I shall
refrain from giving out any help hence forth, till the end of interviews in R2 (so basically ill be helping students for class of 11 only)
ATB for the interviews (all R2 guys) and the results..
Simz
This is not what I had in mind.. But then, it's not as worse as I thought it would be..
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:03 AM
Originally Posted by durgesh28
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I sincerely appreciate your efforts and help in answering questions here at PG forum, but if you are also part of IV panel, (we know your name is Sameer and there is a Sameer in iv Panel) then IMHO you should remove yourself from one area…
I think people with lot of interaction with Sameer on this Forum will get an unfair advantage if they land-up in his panel. I mean others have only a 30 minutes window for Sameer to know them but someone here will have 30 Minuts Plus the interaction on this forum… you may have a +ve or –ve feeling about the person even before the IV….
I think its unfair for somebody to be judgemental on how this process works, and i think everybody posting on this forum should refrain from personal references or indulge in unfair commenting on the postings by any fellow puys or alums or interview panel. At the end of the day, what matters is if you got selected or not, and that is nothing to do with any fair advantage that anybody will land up with being on/off this forum. This forum should be used as a means of discussion on creative ideas, your experiences and what could help others to take from it as a learning experience. So with all due respect, we should stop groaning, worrying, speculating, indulging on this forum. Even i have been waiting for the results, but am enjoying the process, the anxiety and wait. Lets not have our anxieties and frustrations taken over.
ISB has been and am expecting shall be the freeer and fairer means of selection process and we should respect their decision on any criteria for that matter. Hope i didn't sound "Rude" to anybody.
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:04 AM
Kudos Shiva! The best post in a while on this thread!
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:09 AM
Simz,
According to ha logic - even the AdmissionsISB2008 person on pagalguy.com/isb - the official thread should move out of the role that he takes. Durgesh has a problem with you being "an ambassador" on this site - which by the way is almost endorsed by the ISB - I understand his concern.
But I believe that it is essential for you guys to remain here and resolve a lot of issues/doubs that applicants have.
Here is what the ISB site says:
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Do you have any queries about the programme, admissions, placements, faculty, infrastructure, or student life at the ISB? Chat with V K Menon, Senior Director, Admission and Financial Aid, on www.pagalguy.com/isb to know more.
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As far as ethics as concerned - am sure all is fine as long as you refrain from actively knowing who from pagalguy is interviewing when.
Suppose, I posted a stupid question to Mr Menon on the official thread and he happens to be on my interview panel - is that a problem?
If a lot of people don't have issues with this i would strongly suggest you keep up the great work on this thread.
P.S. I have no conflict of interest since I have already been interviewed and he was not on my panel.
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Well Durgesh,
U will be surprised to know that I did not know any of the candidates whom I interviewed, earlier on from PG..
But, however, if this is how people here feel about fair/ unfair advantage and as I am not in a mood to remove myself from the admission process of ISB and i guess nor is vsbadri, we shall refrain from posting any further on this thread, and leave this job to someone who is not involved with the admission.
However I must point to couple of things to u:
1) Mr. Menon is also on the forum doing the same job as myself- answering queries, albeit with 2 slight difference- a) his words are official, mine are not; b) he just sticks to factual things, I go out of my way to answer queries and give help for the interview process ( so by your logic, he should also move off PG).. If you want I can pass on the msg..
2) I have drawn a HUGE line between my iv duties and my help as a PG veteran here. I was taking all the help i could when i was applying to B schools and hence I thought its time i gave the same help back..
3) I have never answered any query for anyone that involes confidential information, or gives anyone an unfair advantage, or have discussed anyone's interview with him/her. Not even on PM. I dare anyone to refute this.
4) The screen name for most of us and our actual names are way different.. Even it were to be the same, the chances that a pg guy and myself land up in the same panel and of all the hazaar interviews that I do, i remember that person to be from pg, very remote.
5) I respect what you said, and believe you have a valid point.. So as promised, I shall
refrain from giving out any help hence forth, till the end of interviews in R2 (so basically ill be helping students for class of 11 only)
ATB for the interviews (all R2 guys) and the results..
Simz
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:12 AM
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Well Durgesh,
U will be surprised to know that I did not know any of the candidates whom I interviewed, earlier on from PG..
But, however, if this is how people here feel about fair/ unfair advantage and as I am not in a mood to remove myself from the admission process of ISB and i guess nor is vsbadri, we shall refrain from posting any further on this thread, and leave this job to someone who is not involved with the admission.
However I must point to couple of things to u:
1) Mr. Menon is also on the forum doing the same job as myself- answering queries, albeit with 2 slight difference- a) his words are official, mine are not; b) he just sticks to factual things, I go out of my way to answer queries and give help for the interview process ( so by your logic, he should also move off PG).. If you want I can pass on the msg..
2) I have drawn a HUGE line between my iv duties and my help as a PG veteran here. I was taking all the help i could when i was applying to B schools and hence I thought its time i gave the same help back..
3) I have never answered any query for anyone that involes confidential information, or gives anyone an unfair advantage, or have discussed anyone's interview with him/her. Not even on PM. I dare anyone to refute this.
4) The screen name for most of us and our actual names are way different.. Even it were to be the same, the chances that a pg guy and myself land up in the same panel and of all the hazaar interviews that I do, i remember that person to be from pg, very remote.
5) I respect what you said, and believe you have a valid point.. So as promised, I shall
refrain from giving out any help hence forth, till the end of interviews in R2 (so basically ill be helping students for class of 11 only)
ATB for the interviews (all R2 guys) and the results..
Simz
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I think this is nothing personal to you or the panel, and i am sure everybody here cannot deny the fact, that whatever postings they have contributed, atleast 50% times more everybody have advantaged by the postings and feedbacks from here. I think, its just the Anxieties of people on forum is taking over, which i hope, we need to show little more maturity. Please don't take any such reply as a personal attack, we all should be acknowledging that ISB adcom and students and faculty are trying their best to juggle between interviews and helping with resolving queries of the aspirants. I would request you not to leave this forum and henceforth i guess everybody will try respecting the line which we have been maintaining.
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:19 AM
Well Simz,
As a mater of fact you cant help the 2011 batch as well - what if you are an ALUM interviewer? I guess you would have to make a call on whether to participate in an interview - if you feel you know the "interviewee" when you read his/her essay - probably skip their interview?
What I am more concerned about is - all interview details are posted on this website.
What about people knowing this question
- why not IIM ?
I am sure a person who knows what was asked earlier wud be in a better position to answer this question. So essentially we are in a GMAT - scoretop situation. And ISB has to stop people from disclosing interview details .
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Originally Posted by Simz
Well Durgesh,
U will be surprised to know that I did not know any of the candidates whom I interviewed, earlier on from PG..
But, however, if this is how people here feel about fair/ unfair advantage and as I am not in a mood to remove myself from the admission process of ISB and i guess nor is vsbadri, we shall refrain from posting any further on this thread, and leave this job to someone who is not involved with the admission.
However I must point to couple of things to u:
1) Mr. Menon is also on the forum doing the same job as myself- answering queries, albeit with 2 slight difference- a) his words are official, mine are not; b) he just sticks to factual things, I go out of my way to answer queries and give help for the interview process ( so by your logic, he should also move off PG).. If you want I can pass on the msg..
2) I have drawn a HUGE line between my iv duties and my help as a PG veteran here. I was taking all the help i could when i was applying to B schools and hence I thought its time i gave the same help back..
3) I have never answered any query for anyone that involes confidential information, or gives anyone an unfair advantage, or have discussed anyone's interview with him/her. Not even on PM. I dare anyone to refute this.
4) The screen name for most of us and our actual names are way different.. Even it were to be the same, the chances that a pg guy and myself land up in the same panel and of all the hazaar interviews that I do, i remember that person to be from pg, very remote.
5) I respect what you said, and believe you have a valid point.. So as promised, I shall
refrain from giving out any help hence forth, till the end of interviews in R2 (so basically ill be helping students for class of 11 only)
ATB for the interviews (all R2 guys) and the results..
Simz
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:21 AM
Simz,
I am sure I am talking for the majority of Puys here when I say I concur with Vivek. Just because someone is on an interview panel doesn't mean he/she has to lock him/herself up from the outside world. I haven't seen/felt any undue advantage/disadvantage from your presence at both the places.
But I will leave it up to you to decide how you see your role going forward... If you stick to your guns then it is a loss for all Puys.
Goutham
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by durgesh28
@Simz
I sincerely appreciate your efforts and help in answering questions here at PG forum, but if you are also part of IV panel, (we know your name is Sameer and there is a Sameer in iv Panel) then IMHO you should remove yourself from one area…
I think people with lot of interaction with Sameer on this Forum will get an unfair advantage if they land-up in his panel. I mean others have only a 30 minutes window for Sameer to know them but someone here will have 30 Minuts Plus the interaction on this forum… you may have a +ve or –ve feeling about the person even before the IV….
I think its unfair for somebody to be judgemental on how this process works, and i think everybody posting on this forum should refrain from personal references or indulge in unfair commenting on the postings by any fellow puys or alums or interview panel. At the end of the day, what matters is if you got selected or not, and that is nothing to do with any fair advantage that anybody will land up with being on/off this forum. This forum should be used as a means of discussion on creative ideas, your experiences and what could help others to take from it as a learning experience. So with all due respect, we should stop groaning, worrying, speculating, indulging on this forum. Even i have been waiting for the results, but am enjoying the process, the anxiety and wait. Lets not have our anxieties and frustrations taken over.
ISB has been and am expecting shall be the freeer and fairer means of selection process and we should respect their decision on any criteria for that matter. Hope i didn't sound "Rude" to anybody.
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Well, ur last sentence was sure RUDE! Thank you for your opinions.
Simz, please continue posting on this thread. We are business school applicants and future business managers. Not dealing ethically should not be a concern. Even without you mentioning it, rest assured we are positive that you will not play favorites (even if u knew the applicant).
Thanks,
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:37 AM
In my humble opinion, its unethical for any one to be a part of this thread and admission process at the same time.
One may argue that all the posts are public and anyone can read them (including adcom) but the interactions Simz is involved are completely of different level.
I dont doubt your intentions Simz, but no matter how much one tries, its very possible to have some +ve or -ve about a person whose posts one have been reading for lets say over a month.
BTW, if I may ask, does ISB adcom knows about this? They dont have any issues with it?
As always, these are my 2 cents and personal opinions, you have all the right to disagree.
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Re: ISB 2009 Aspirants -
13-11-2008, 02:40 AM
I DOnt think I was clear earlier: As per my knowledge, the adcom is aware of my presence here and have faith in ability to be impartial in my duties as an interviewer and also help applicants in thier queries..
To answer you query, you will have to ask the adcom urself if they have any issues with my interacting with students on this forum.
Simz
This is not what I had in mind.. But then, it's not as worse as I thought it would be..
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