[getneonow]

Originally Posted by dun.understand

and i have not seen many ppl with 2-3 yrs exp who do !! well to say the least,even ppl with 5-6 yrs exp (especially IT and i come frm IT bckgrnd 2) who understand the IT biz, in my view, are minimal !! So i say if at all any one with 2-3 yrs exp is aiming the ISB, a good thing to do would be to understand how the biz of his/her particular org/industry runs and how his/her current and past roles have contributed to the biz, this would be apart from all d typical stuff that ppl prepare for admissions... completely personal thoughts of mine.

Bingo!! I can't refrain from saying that experience is just a arbit term used in market these days. I have seen the extreme stupid ppl with 10 to 20 yrs of work ex who not only fail in business sense but also in common sense..
well a minimum level of industry exposure is definitely reqd but the amount of learning a person does in his work ex drastically differs from person to person.. we see this everywhere..even while apping for a new job..

I have more to say but don't want to start a debate here on accepted norms


I have my points, plans, anger(towards accepted norms) and passion(towards goals) to put fwd before the B school.. I have good chances to succeed and fair chances to fail..In either case i am gonna give my best shot..

PS: it may seem a offbeat post but i had to vent out wat i had to say..abt the accepted norms..


Neo

[Trudging along]

Originally Posted by getneonow

Bingo!! I can't refrain from saying that experience is just a arbit term used in market these days. I have seen the extreme stupid ppl with 10 to 20 yrs of work ex who not only fail in business sense but also in common sense..
well a minimum level of industry exposure is definitely reqd but the amount of learning a person does in his work ex drastically differs from person to person.. we see this everywhere..even while apping for a new job..

I have more to say but don't want to start a debate here on accepted norms


I have my points, plans, anger(towards accepted norms) and passion(towards goals) to put fwd before the B school.. I have good chances to succeed and fair chances to fail..In either case i am gonna give my best shot..

PS: it may seem a offbeat post but i had to vent out wat i had to say..abt the accepted norms..


Neo

well said Neo...shud put to rest all the apprehension people generally have about their work ex...

We have a saying at office...the absolute no. of years of experience dont count...a 5 yr experience could very well be 1 year of exp. * 5 years..
wat matters here is wat uve done in those years ...and how much you've learnt ...as a professional ...and a person..

Do justice to whatever no. of years you spend working..whether it is one or two or twenty...so that when u look back ...you can do so in contentment..and not regret things you didnt do..
If that is in place...I dont think it merits any sort of worry watsoever...!

[sillyfool]

i agree with your point of view. No. of years dont matter what matters is
what have u done in those years.I mean what differentiates you from other candidates
because at the end of the day B-schools are looking for diversity. If you have done something
better or different than other people apping, Then you surely stand a good chance

Cheers
Sillyfool

[abchekstylo]

Originally Posted by sillyfool

i agree with your point of view. No. of years dont matter what matters is
what have u done in those years.I mean what differentiates you from other candidates
because at the end of the day B-schools are looking for diversity. If you have done something
better or different than other people apping, Then you surely stand a good chance

Cheers
Sillyfool

Absolutely agree with you guys.The only thing i worry about is how to prove it to them that we are actually more than just 2+ ex IT guys.
Coz at the end of the day u know and i know very well how much IT sucks and how shamelessly IT promotes losers; ive seen people, who cant even frame a logically correct sentence and who talk like "i was thinking ki ", getting promoted in IT.
But how does that help anyone?
If the Admission Councils want u to talk about demonstrated leadership along with proofs, how do u do that?
Personally i believe that if u were so good at IT, u were never a good enough manager at all and u would not be applying to b schools anyway.Ya i do hate all the so-called project managers hogging the IT industry today.And i love Dilbert.

I dont have an attitude problem.They have a perception problem.

[Catalytic]

My 2p on this topic.. I agree on the point that when talking about work-ex number of years do not matter but what you did during those years matter. But (there is always a but :-) ) one needs to also think from the Ad-Com perspective. For them you are a commodity, a raw material that they gonna process and sell in the market. And market wants managers who can be effective from the day one. A person with experience of about 2 years may have the potential but the market doesn't have the patience to groom/teach a person when it is paying that person a hefty pay package.

If you go through last years admit thread, there is a girl who had just 2 yrs or slightly less than 2 and had applied. The Ad-com liked her profile so much that they offered her admission for 2009-10 batch so that she can gain some more years in the industry.

There is nothing wrong in applying with 2 years of experience but do remember that if you don't make it and reapply the second time round is more difficult coz you need to show what great achievements :-) u did during the year and you will not be able to use prev achievements as those are already with the adcom.

Whenever you apply, make sure u have a stellar app and there are no if-buts in your application.

comments invited over my views....

[dun.understand]

Originally Posted by abchekstylo

Absolutely agree with you guys.The only thing i worry about is how to prove it to them that we are actually more than just 2+ ex IT guys.
Coz at the end of the day u know and i know very well how much IT sucks and how shamelessly IT promotes losers; ive seen people, who cant even frame a logically correct sentence and who talk like "i was thinking ki ", getting promoted in IT.
But how does that help anyone?
If the Admission Councils want u to talk about demonstrated leadership along with proofs, how do u do that?
Personally i believe that if u were so good at IT, u were never a good enough manager at all and u would not be applying to b schools anyway.Ya i do hate all the so-called project managers hogging the IT industry today.And i love Dilbert.

I dont have an attitude problem.They have a perception problem.

Thats my point here guys.... to come to say of "demonstrated leadership", it does reflect something, rather something good.
Lets not consider the term "demonstrated Leadership" as "a Proof", but as "an Example" of wat you have done and wat you are capable of, now it doesnt matter if u have got an opportunity or u havent. Hence, considering the scenario today (everywhere and not only in IT***), we cant conclude that one needs to demonstrate leadership to prove ones capabilities. And thats what i understand when our mate frm ISB says that we need to be genuine in front of the interview board to raise our chance of getting an admit(remember the 3 cases he explained of guys with so called incompetent GMAT scores). Your thoughts and views in particular biz scenarios, general scenarios too, can very well show the board the depth of knowledge and understanding you have of the stream you have been working in. Basically it can certainly show if you have the LEADERSHIP thing in you. Things that can majorly change our views is by asking "Why do I say I have Leadership Qualities" and not by asking "How do I say I have Leadership Qualities". They sound the same, but on a close view answers to both these questions vary drastically.

*** Its not that the kind of project managers who exist in the IT setup dont exist in other industries. Its just that we dont have any industry which is so damnn well spread across the Indian financial and manpower infrastructure. Here there is more money, more people and even more opportunities. This leads to more expectations and that where more angst is.

[killer123]

Hi,

I am also applying to ISB this year .

Workex : ~3 years.
Btech IIT Kanpur : 7.0 CGPA
Working for IT company in Financial Domain.
6+ months Onsite
Current salary : 10+ lpa

planning to gove gmat this july.

Extra curriculars : Decent enough in college and school .Working for an NGO.

I am thinking for ISB to make a career switch to strategic consulting or new areas like carbon credit. I have heard ( not completely sure though) that career swithches are hard in ISB ==> most proabbaly i'll end up with a managerial role in an IT company.

[jmbedi]

Hi all,

It would be great if anyone of you can provide, some comments on my profile as applying for admission to ISB 2009 batch. The profile is like this :


10th-----86.2%


12th-----80%


B.E (I.T)-----First Class with Distinction------2005 batch


Got Campus in Capgemini--------------Worked there for 2.5 years......


Currently in Fiserv pvt. ltd.


Total work exp will be 3.5 years in April 2009 plus got an international Work experience(onsite of 4 months) also included in it.


Started My own Marketing Bussiness in Nov 2005----currently doing well in that too....

Organized so many seminars for my business promotion in the no of hundreds.....

I took the presentaion part too.......



that is one of the strong reasons i want to do an MBA as want to excel my Skills into the Business.............


Won lot of Group discussions in colege.......
Won lot of presentation competitions at colege level.....

I Conduct lot of Business seminars for my business promotion............

I address lot of people in seminars............



Cricket Team captian----in school.............

Inter University Cricket Player.....

Played Cricket for my Company too....

Just started to ..........Work as Marketing consultant for a SW company on part time basis............as I get them business from all over the world they pay me for this on per project basis.....


Planning for GMAT in mid JULY....Preparation started.................


ANY one can please Help me with the Minimum Gmat Score for this Kind of Profile....

Plus the Odds of making into The ISB batch of 2009....

[jmbedi]

Hi,

Can you please provide me your opinion on my profile as i have posted it on 23 page...

thanks

Originally Posted by sssiva03

Hi PGs,

I think this is the right time to start this new and fresh thread for all the PGs who aspire to join ISB 2009 batch.

The apping process will start somewhere around july. In that case, this should be the right time for any aspirant to start preparing for his GMAT.

Let it be anywhere from writing GMAT to Application processes, post you queries here and get it answered.

I hope the current ISB PGs will also help us reach our goal.

[Its_in_use]

Each one of us is talking about his or her prospects in ISB. But isn't it too risky to bank on one single college. Since we need to apply to some other colleges as well, it will be great if we can share with others the list of other MBA colleges where we are planning to apply. Additional inputs/information about these colleges will be great.