US Visa Cap...Companies in US wont hire international

[itsrahul]

Another dimension:

Deba's post on the Tuck thread: (http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/b-scho...beyond-18.html (Tuck(Dartmouth) 2007 Interviews and Beyond))

Update from Tuck: According to them, their yield rate has been pretty high this year and they have released remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I was one of these waitlisted applicants, not that it really matters to me at this point.
Dear Deba:
Each year, our commitment to maintain a small class necessitates that
we place a few applicants with strong potential on the waitlist; we also
try to humanely limit your uncertainty as much as possible. At this
point, a record-high percentage of our admitted students have enrolled at
Tuck. In addition, due to US visa regulations we are unable to make
admissions decisions for most non-US citizens/non-US permanent residents
after today. For these reasons, we have made the decision to release
remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I regret that
Tuck will not be able to grant your request for admission to the Class of
2009.

I wonder if Tuck is referring to H1-B visa regulations or something else. Any pointers here?

[Suvrat]

Originally Posted by itsrahul

Another dimension:

Deba's post on the Tuck thread: (http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/b-scho...beyond-18.html (Tuck(Dartmouth) 2007 Interviews and Beyond))

Update from Tuck: According to them, their yield rate has been pretty high this year and they have released remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I was one of these waitlisted applicants, not that it really matters to me at this point.
Dear Deba:
Each year, our commitment to maintain a small class necessitates that
we place a few applicants with strong potential on the waitlist; we also
try to humanely limit your uncertainty as much as possible. At this
point, a record-high percentage of our admitted students have enrolled at
Tuck. In addition, due to US visa regulations we are unable to make
admissions decisions for most non-US citizens/non-US permanent residents
after today. For these reasons, we have made the decision to release
remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I regret that
Tuck will not be able to grant your request for admission to the Class of
2009.

I wonder if Tuck is referring to H1-B visa regulations or something else. Any pointers here?

This may be due to the US Govt which specifies that non US Citizens need to notify them upto certain date than the H1 regulation because there no direct correlation between the admit to US B School and working in US

[deba_s56]

Originally Posted by itsrahul

Another dimension:

Deba's post on the Tuck thread: (http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/b-scho...beyond-18.html (Tuck(Dartmouth) 2007 Interviews and Beyond))

Update from Tuck: According to them, their yield rate has been pretty high this year and they have released remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I was one of these waitlisted applicants, not that it really matters to me at this point.
Dear Deba:
Each year, our commitment to maintain a small class necessitates that
we place a few applicants with strong potential on the waitlist; we also
try to humanely limit your uncertainty as much as possible. At this
point, a record-high percentage of our admitted students have enrolled at
Tuck. In addition, due to US visa regulations we are unable to make
admissions decisions for most non-US citizens/non-US permanent residents
after today. For these reasons, we have made the decision to release
remaining international applicants from the waitlist. I regret that
Tuck will not be able to grant your request for admission to the Class of
2009.

I wonder if Tuck is referring to H1-B visa regulations or something else. Any pointers here?

This is different. This points to the time gap that is required between the date of getting an admit and the date of the school starting and whether this time period is sufficient to complete all formalities for getting your visa approved (applying for i-20, receiving ur i-20, taking an visa appointment, and getting the visa). Tuck has earlier told all the waitlisted international applicants that June 13 is the last date by which they will get their decisions, as it will be reallistically difficult to get ur student visa after that. I think, US regulations mention some 2 months or something for this time gap.

[puhrince]

sorry dude, I should have quoted myself better..when I meant Schulich is 2nd tier, i meant it like comparing say Carnegie Mellon vs Simon (Rochester) in US..both are good, CM is just better but both are in top 30. I didn't mean to diss it all the way like crap...so when I meant Schulich used to be good, I mean it used to be equivalent to CM, but not anymore. Ivey is as good as Rotman and even better in consulting (its among the 3 schools - other 2 being Harvard & Darden, which uses case method of study)..what I meant was its now a 1 yr program, which many aren't interested in. So in effect, all the 4 schools mentioned are all good but each in its own unique way. Ivey, Rotman & Queens are equivalent to say a US school ranked between 15-25, with Schulich falling between 25-30.

So to answer ur question, an average Canadian school is not a good idea but the 4 top ones above are. An average US school (assuming u refer to schools ranked b/n 20-30) is a good idea, but with the H1 scenario, I would say not. I would risk going to US now only if its a top 15 school, simple as that. I hope that explains it better. Few schools are honest and apparently they now openly tell international students that getting a job on H1 is not easy and ask them to consider this beforehand - I wish more of the schools say this, but u know this is a business as well and they have to make their money too.

The 20k quota was open for 4 months last year, not 8..but u have to remember this cap and quota was introduced in the very recent years (2004 i think), and it has been steadily declining - in effect now everyone is rushing to file their H1 by Apr 1 itself. But greater than this point is that the fact that a lot of companies you would like to work in don't sponsor H1's at all..and now the ones that used are fed up with all the vagaries and headaches which go with it..Congress is calling for extra scrutiny now since the Indian IT companies have misused the H1 system..this may result in companies focussing on hiring Americans first only now.

Hey I didn't mean to question your global knowledge, I was trying to just get at you regd the 20k quota - so I was making my point about how most of them are used by MS students..thats it - again, I should have written it better..

chalo enough of talk on this..good discussion though..

Originally Posted by amitchau29

Puhrince,
good to see a long reply. am sure many applicants have this issue of which country to do the MBA and as much discussion would only help.
cheers.

[puhrince]

I understand about the fit but sometimes with the facts given, MBS should have been your choice..after all later you will identify yourself with the job, not how you fit during your time in school. anyways good luck on your future endeavors!

Originally Posted by itsrahul

Mainly because I couldn't find a college as my fit.
LBS - too expensive
MBS - somehow I did not find it attractive
Cambridge/Oxford etc - 12 months programs and I wanted 16-18 months program

[puhrince]

OH - let me amend to this - I would risk going to US for a school ranked between 5-15 if its primarily for those IB & those other crazy 100 hr work week finance jobs in banks, and consulting careers, where H1 is a guarantee..for other careers, I would still think about it like someone else in this thread who is rethinking Duke..

[quote=puhrince;799857]

An average US school (assuming u refer to schools ranked b/n 20-30) is a good idea, but with the H1 scenario, I would say not. I would risk going to US now only if its a top 15 school, simple as that.

[amitchau29]

Puhrince,
thanks again for ur detailed reply. i appreciate the time. i agree with your views totally..especially the 5-15, 15-25 rankings between US/canada etc. i think thats how mostly everyone views it. peace! anyway i think since all of us are putting in some 2 yrs of our best years into an MBA(leaving settled jobs etc) with considerable sacrifices...it is ofcourse sensible to think it through properly and choose correctly...and discussion will only help...but choose some school for sure rather than drop plans altogether. quite often the negative feedback does put off many candidates. its a big decision and there would be exceptions but i dont think an MBA harms anyone ultimately...whatever the risk involved...whatever the school..there may be short term hiccups....but i guess it helps almost everyone in their careers/confidence etc and that should be the ultimate goal. cheers..Hope to be in lovely stunning Canada some day soon!

[amitchau29]

And before people pounce on me on whether getting any education is a good idea...here is an article with some research in my defence!


The best investment money can buy

A university degree spells a lifetime of better job prospects and higher income. It has also become the minimum qualification for many jobs. So just go already.

TONY KELLER | Nov 02, 2006

If you were to suffer the misfortune of spending time in Canada's prison system, and while there were brave enough to start asking your cellmates for their CVs, you'd notice an interesting trend: almost none of the wards of the Correctional Service of Canada has a university degree. In fact, at the time they began their incarceration, 82 per cent of federal inmates had an education of Grade 10 or less.
Admittedly, not going to university will not cause you to become a criminal. Nor will going to university prevent it. There's a difference between causation and correlation -- something you can learn at university. But the chances of ending up in jail are considerably higher if someone has never been to university. And the chances of leading a life where crime is the subject of your late-night reading and TV watching, rather than your career, are considerably higher if you did go.

There is, in fact, a rather long list of bad things that are considerably more likely to happen, and good things that are much less likely to happen, if you do not have a university degree.
Enjoy free time? Don't go to university. Canadians with a high school diploma or less are much more likely to be unemployed than university graduates.
Trying to quit smoking? You're more likely to succeed if you have a college or university degree, according to a 2005 Statistics Canada study.
Drugs? Another StatsCan study found that having a lower level of education is "associated with elevated risks of dependence." You're far less likely to be a drug addict if you have a college or university degree. Ditto for alcohol.
You're also less likely to smoke, and less likely to become dependent on alcohol or drugs if you have an above average income. Which group of Canadians are most likely to have above-average incomes? University graduates.
Sex? University is good for that too, apparently. Women with higher levels of education are more likely to be able to reach orgasm, according to a recent study of more than 19,000 Australians.
More education may not be a cure-all for whatever ails you, but it sure doesn't hurt.
This issue of Maclean's, the University Rankings Issue, has been around for 16 years. Its purpose is to give all readers an insight into the workings of Canada's higher education system, and to help tens of thousands of Canadian high school graduates make an informed university choice.
Where you go to university matters, in terms of the courses you will take, the program of study you will follow, the professors you will learn from, the campus you will be a part of, and the friends you will make. This issue is a first step in helping you make the right choice. But there is something that matters far more than where you go to university: that you go. Where you go to university may make a significant difference in your life and future success. That you go will make an enormous difference.
A few years ago, Princeton economist Alan Krueger wanted to find out whether your choice of university matters. A straight comparison of the post-graduation incomes of students who went to highly selective American universities with those who went to less selective universities suggested that the answer was obvious: yes. The average student who entered a highly selective university such as Yale, Swarthmore or the University of Pennsylvania in 1976 earned $92,000 by 1995. The average student from a moderately selective university, such as Penn State, Denison or Tulane, earned $22,000 less.
But the figures may have merely been telling us that people who were better students in high school got admitted to "better" universities, and after four years at the better school, went on to land higher paying jobs. The raw numbers didn't explain to what degree that Ivy League education, rather than a student's own qualities, contributed to her future success.
To figure out whether going to a prestigious university makes a difference, Krueger compared students who went to highly selective universities with another group of students who had also been accepted at one of those selective universities -- Harvard, say -- but chose, for whatever reason, to go to a less selective and prestigious institution.
Krueger's findings were a surprise. He found no appreciable difference in post-graduation incomes, 20 years on, between the two groups of students. There are lots of good reasons for going to the best university you can get into. But it is certainly no guarantee of anything. Or as Krueger put it, "My advice to students: Don't believe that the only school worth attending is one that would not admit you. That you go . . . is more important than where you go."
So go. If you get a university education, you are likely to enjoy a considerably higher income than someone who entered the workforce right after high school, or even someone who went to college. In 2000, a full-time worker with only high school earned, on average, $36,000. Workers with a college certificate or diploma earned $41,000. But Canadians with a university certificate, diploma or degree earned $61,000. Over a lifetime, each university attendee will end up pulling in about $1 million extra.
And it is never too late to go back to school. StatsCan studies have found that mature workers who obtain a college or university degree see their wages rise much faster than their peers without a degree. Adult post-secondary education makes sense, when you consider that Canadian men with a university education were the only group of males who saw their incomes rise in the 1990s.
The truth is that, for many jobs, university is now a kind of minimum standard, as high school graduation once was. In 1981, there were more young women in Canada with only a high school diploma than there were university graduates. By 2001, there were almost three times as many young women who held university degrees. Canadians are now the most educated people on earth, according to the OECD: 53 per cent of Canadians aged 25 to 34 have a college or university degree. It is something the job market increasingly expects.
Of course, as a number of extremely rich and successful people have recently demonstrated, it is possible to be immensely successful, even without a university degree. In Forbes magazine's most recent list of the 400 richest Americans, only one of the top five, and three of the top 10, had a university degree. Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Paul Allen, and Michael Dell all dropped out.
It is similarly possible to learn to read without schooling, become a successful athlete without coaching, develop into a famous musician without formal music lessons, and put all of your money on the same number at a roulette wheel and win, spin after spin after spin. All are possible, but all are very unlikely. It all comes down to the laws of probability, and the difference between anecdote and statistically significant evidence -- all of which you may learn about at university.
Bill Gates took a risk by dropping out of university, and it paid off. Dropping out, or not going in the first place, might succeed for you too. University is not a guarantee of success, or a promise that you will never experience failure. As the Krueger study shows, what matters above all is you. But a university degree makes a lifetime of relative success in the job market more likely, and a lifetime of relative economic disappointment considerably less so. It will be, at the bare minimum, a bit like an insurance policy -- which may explain why Canadians, cautious types, have more post-secondary education than anyone else.
Canadian parents recognize that this is a race their children should enter: according to a recent StatsCan study, 93 per cent of parents with kids under the age of 18 hope that their children get some post-secondary education, and the vast majority of those hope that their kids go to university.
So make mom proud. Go.

[hansy77]

Guess people are more involved in their personal wars here. Guys - let this forum serve its inteded purpose and I feel we have totallydigressed from the original topic. Guys who are heading to Canada are not gona change their mind and ditto for the ones heading to US. So why break your head over it. As for others who are still pushing their brains, guys please dig more, u will have your answers. I am sure you would not take any step to throw away ur career. As a wise man once said " If you have taken the first step,never look back".
So go ahead and live the great (insert your country here) dream !!

Cheers,
Hansy

PS : Please keep the H1 updates/debate alive !

[sgmat]

Hey Guys I agree with HANSY77... regarding the point that he made that

Please keep the H1 updates/debate alive !

It is good to have discussion but I believe let us maintain the integrity of the thread by not digressing from the topic of the thread..

neways I do like the views shared by u guys...All the views are appreciated and are real eye opener for guy like me

Thanx & Best regards,
Amit
"It is your attitude that decides your altitude"