US Visa Cap...Companies in US wont hire international

[scorpio_0007]

Hats off to you Guys!!

This is a wonderful thread. It throws light on the issues a prospective student is likely to face at the end of his US PG program.

3 days ago and I was at full swing to seal my place by submitting the deposit but after reading this thread I have stopped everything for a while.

All the while I was under the belief that a US MBA would make my JOB easier to get into the US markets. Now, thanks to this thread, I know what is in store for me when I am done with my MBA.

[puhrince]

This information should be made available to most international students but schools are generally quiet about it as they will lose potential 'business' and won't be able to spread the word of diversity amongst their student populations..and mind you, schools in other countries also 'hide' information too..they just list the names of the top companies in their placement brochures but don't say that just a handful of students get placed in these companies..Indian schools operate in a different way altogether as they have placement weeks where everyone gets placed, this is not the case abroad.

I like the example set by Olin (Washington U) business school where it clearly states in their admission materials that international students have a tough time getting the work visas..thats honesty. Michigan State also tells students interested in investment banking that the school is not the right fit for them, its not a finance school - thats honesty...

Originally Posted by scorpio_0007

Hats off to you Guys!!

This is a wonderful thread. It throws light on the issues a prospective student is likely to face at the end of his US PG program.

3 days ago and I was at full swing to seal my place by submitting the deposit but after reading this thread I have stopped everything for a while.

All the while I was under the belief that a US MBA would make my JOB easier to get into the US markets. Now, thanks to this thread, I know what is in store for me when I am done with my MBA.

[bignoog123]

Originally Posted by puhrince

This information should be made available to most international students but schools are generally quiet about it as they will lose potential 'business' and won't be able to spread the word of diversity amongst their student populations..and mind you, schools in other countries also 'hide' information too..they just list the names of the top companies in their placement brochures but don't say that just a handful of students get placed in these companies..Indian schools operate in a different way altogether as they have placement weeks where everyone gets placed, this is not the case abroad.

I like the example set by Olin (Washington U) business school where it clearly states in their admission materials that international students have a tough time getting the work visas..thats honesty. Michigan State also tells students interested in investment banking that the school is not the right fit for them, its not a finance school - thats honesty...

Hi Puhrince,

Afte reading your posts in this thread I have decided not to apply to U.S B-schools. First let me tell you about my profile
Work-Ex -- 2 years in a I.T industry
Acads- 58% , Bachel of Engg.
GMAT - 620 M-48,V-25

I am planning to apply for 2009 MBA Fall program,Please tell me how is Canada's De-Sautels University,I really don't care if this university is not as gr8 as the 4 univ's that you have mentioned earlier in your post,All I need is would I get a working visa(similar to H-1B) and an average placement,
if I join this univ.Please advise me some average canadian b-schools which are gud for finance.

Please advise me some european b-schools which have 2 year MBA Program, I find all the schools having 1 year program, The reason I detest 1 year prog. is bcoz I am not so talented like the usual b-school junta , so I need a 12+ month prog to understand MBA.

I would be really gr8ful to you if you could reply ASAP.

[saurabh1312]

Hi all,

I graduated and worked in the US for more than a yr. I performed really well at my job and really liked living in the US.

But, now I am up for GDs in Indian B-schools and will start by June. There are many reasons for it, but the most important one is the uncertainty of work visas in the US, which may make your years of hard work meaningless.

There is a long story behind it, but I am not comfortable sharing my personal boo-hoo story on public forums.

I admit that coming back to India in the first place wasn't out of my choice, but staying here and not re-trying for H1 each year is definitely my choice.

You all probably know that at least for bachelor degree holders, the h1 quota finishes within the first few hours of the first day, and there is a lottery done to determine who all gets the visa. Now, I really enjoyed and gambled a lot the last time I went to Las Vegas, but here the stake is not money but your career.

For masters degree holders, the quota survives for a few more days, but by the time you all graduate from b-schools, even this quota's lifetime may be reduced to less than a few hours.

Nothing is going to change till the Elections in November this yr and I bet the new law may take another 12-18 months after that to pass. And we don't know what that new immigration law will be. They have coupled the issue of illegal Mexican immigrants crossing the border in Texas with the h1/green card issue in the same Immigration bill, which makes it highly controversial to be passed.

So, by the time they come up with the new law, I may have finished my MBA degree here in India and the situation of US immigration bill and the falling US economy would be much clearer. Then I will decide, whether I still want to go back or not.

If you do your MBA in the US after spending heaps of money, after much difficulty, you may find a company willing to hire you and sponsor your visa. But, finding a job in the US, however difficult, is not the bigger problem. It is getting the permission by the govt to work there is what screws you over.

Here in India, you do not start with as big a salary as in the US and the potholed roads and the noisy environment may irk you every day, but you definitely grow faster with certainty as the growing economy pulls you up, irrespective of where you work.

I am sorry if I have dampened your spirits right before you all leave for the land of dreams, bu I just wanted you all to do a reality check before you leave.

Wise men don't make mistakes because they learn from other people's mistakes.

Saurabh.

[sgmat]

after reading the views here it seems that situation is international bschools especially US is really so very bad......so guys this means no point in applying to US bschool at all....am i rite????? as the situation for the international students is not as good as it seems in the above posts......would appreciate your views on the same....thanks!!

[saurabh1312]

Originally Posted by sgmat

after reading the views here it seems that situation is international bschools especially US is really so very bad......so guys this means no point in applying to US bschool at all....am i rite????? as the situation for the international students is not as good as it seems in the above posts......would appreciate your views on the same....thanks!!

The US, in my opinion, is THE best place for higher education. However, if your sole aim is get a US job after graduation, then it may not be the best idea. If you want to come back or go to some other country for job, then there should be nothing stopping you as a US degree is respected everywhere.

And also, I really enjoyed studying in the US. And in the long run, judging from what I gained, I don't regret the decision. However, the fact remains that I had to quit my job and come back because of H1 visa issues.

What others can tell you are the facts. The decision how to use these facts are always up to you.

Saurabh.

[sgmat]

thanks saurabh for sharing your story with us.....sorry for you...i mean just becoz you dont get the visa you are not eligible to work....weird...........

thanks!!

[saurabh1312]

Originally Posted by sgmat

thanks saurabh for sharing your story with us.....sorry for you...i mean just becoz you dont get the visa you are not eligible to work....weird...........

thanks!!

Thanks ..... but don't be sorry. I agree that things got a bit difficult but they are going really great now. I have been working for a Canadian firm in Delhi ever since I returned (March 07). I have got decent CAT scores so I expect good B-school calls this year.

The US itself is going through a difficult time right now. Iraq war, falling economy and now the elections. The best approach right now would be to wait and watch, but not put any stock in that country. I would rather be on a small but fast motorboat (India) than aboard a sinking Titanic (USA).

Saurabh.

[bongarcon]

Originally Posted by sgmat

after reading the views here it seems that situation is international bschools especially US is really so very bad......so guys this means no point in applying to US bschool at all....am i rite????? as the situation for the international students is not as good as it seems in the above posts......would appreciate your views on the same....thanks!!

sgmat, let me put it for you as an instruction. (I think that is what you are really looking for)
After your MBA, if you want to work in the US only, then apply to a top ten US school. Even then, your chances aren't as good as they were for students a couple of years back. But perhaps your top ranked school will be able to squeeze out a working visa for you.

If you don't mind working outside the US post your MBA, then US schools are good. And again, to note here, the higher ranked the school, the better your reputation outside the US. So, again, if you want to play safe, apply to the top 10 US schools.

In short for you, if you want a US MBA so badly AND have a good chance of a job later, APPLY TO THE TOP 10 US SCHOOLS ONLY

[goldberg23684]

Forget the Visa cap, the bigger problem now is the economy.