[ankursuri]

Originally Posted by gabriel666

...guyz wat is ur take on the msc finance courses in UK ... how wuld u rate the colleges ... and where wuld manchester and lancaster be in that list ... and how reliable are rankings from the various magazines ( financial times, business week ) ... i mean financial times places manchester and lancaster at 22 and 28 respectively ( for MBA ) globally ... but in UK rankings it places manchester at 3rd and lancaster at 15th ... Thnx ...

well i'd say for specialised finance rankings, you shouldn't go by the MBA rankings. well, i can understand that MBA rankings give a broad picture of where the B-school stands with competition at large...
however, do consult the RAE 2001 ratings for Accounting and Finance, which are different than those of Business and Management Streams. RAE ratings are a broad indicator of research levels on a particular subject.
Therefore, going by them, LSE and Manchester are supposed to have the highest ratings of 5*, closely followed by edinburgh and durham at 5. However, i would suggest you take into account other aspects lik specialised courses... Cass Business School london, for example is very highly regarded for its Finance courses. and you may also look at the biggest of them all, LBS's Masters in Finance.
So dont go by MBA rankings only. However, they sometimes tell a lot about the standing the business school, and hence its programmes have in the world.

[pursuehappyness]

hi there,

I hav got conditional offers from University of Strathclyde (for MSc in Business and Management) and University of Edinburgh(MSc in Management). Can anyone throw some light on these courses and help me decide which one is better? Also, some information on the job profile one can expect to get after comleting the programme will b appreciated.

thanx,
Sandeep.

[anandbatra]

I had posted this in another thread on PG.

http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/b-scho...tml#post716349

The ratings for Masters programs are different than those for MBA programs. Manchester is not as good as Cass for Masters in Finance.

Check this thread on thestudentroom.co.uk: Top 20 UK unis for getting an IB Job - The Student Room

It's a post by a second year BB analyst. He has ranked UK universities according to placements in IBs.

I agree with his ranking, but it's a bit undergrad specific. For postgrad, the ranking would be like:

1. London Business School
[gap]
2. London School of Economics
3. Oxford/Cambridge
[gap]
5. Imperial
6. Warwick(UCL doesn't offer a MSc Finance degree)
[gap]
7. Cass

After this come univs like Reading-ICMA, Cranfield, Edinburgh, Manchester, Bath, Lancaster, Nottingham and Bristol in no order.


Manchester is very good for MSc Manangement/Intl. Business, but their postgrad finance programs are not very good.

[ankursuri]

Originally Posted by pursuehappyness

hi there,

I hav got conditional offers from University of Strathclyde (for MSc in Business and Management) and University of Edinburgh(MSc in Management). Can anyone throw some light on these courses and help me decide which one is better? Also, some information on the job profile one can expect to get after comleting the programme will b appreciated.

thanx,
Sandeep.

Well i would lik to ask you why are you looking at the MSc. Management degrees? if you're taking this degree as an alternative to an MBA, then i would recommend the MBM from strathclyde with its option to obtain an MBA after 3 work-ex.
Otherwise, i would recommend Edinburgh for the simple reason that overall its a better university and more renowned the world over. Although the MSc. Management at Edinburgh may not be structered in a great way, Edinburgh offers better oppurtunities for an overseas student with its mutlitude of Top I-Banks, financial service MNCs, as well as being the leading center of Hedge fund management in Europe. Glasgow, where Strathclyde's located is a big, but regional city. Edinburgh is a global city, much on the lines of London, although more student friendly.
And if you're planning to return back to India in the near future, then i would recommend Edinburgh. Also, its from my friend who's at St. Andrews, the Fresh Talent Scheme sounds like a good incentive sitting here in India, there, its just an excuse to get graduates into low pay-clerical work trainee jobs. so tread with caution if its an important factor in your final decision.
take care n hope it helps!

[pursuehappyness]

@ Ankursuri

Many thanx 4 ur reply, bro...was out of cyber space 4 a few days, hence the delay in my reply....I know that Univ of Edinburgh is more acclaimed, but from what i hav come 2 know, the MSc in management pales in comparison with MBM from Strathclyde especially cuz MBM is quite similar 2 an MBA....but then the info u provided regarding better opportunities in Edinburgh is making me think again....n yeah, i do plan 2 come back 2 India, but only after working there for 2 years so that I could cover my ROI....in other words, i'm looking at Fresh Talent scheme as an option....when u said graduates r made 2 do clerical work, did u mean that is the case even 4 graduates from highly ranked univs in Scotland like Edinburgh n Strathclyde? Also how well r these MSc programs treated back in India by the employers? It would b of gr8 help if u could answer these queries.

Thanx,
Sandeep.

[ankursuri]

Originally Posted by pursuehappyness

@ Ankursuri

Many thanx 4 ur reply, bro...was out of cyber space 4 a few days, hence the delay in my reply....I know that Univ of Edinburgh is more acclaimed, but from what i hav come 2 know, the MSc in management pales in comparison with MBM from Strathclyde especially cuz MBM is quite similar 2 an MBA....but then the info u provided regarding better opportunities in Edinburgh is making me think again....n yeah, i do plan 2 come back 2 India, but only after working there for 2 years so that I could cover my ROI....in other words, i'm looking at Fresh Talent scheme as an option....when u said graduates r made 2 do clerical work, did u mean that is the case even 4 graduates from highly ranked univs in Scotland like Edinburgh n Strathclyde? Also how well r these MSc programs treated back in India by the employers? It would b of gr8 help if u could answer these queries.

Thanx,
Sandeep.

Well sandeep my point about fresh talent was from a friend who's studying in scotland, in the Univ. of St. Andrews, pursuing an MA in Economics and Management. If you'd ask around, it is along with Edinburgh, one of the most prestigious universities in UK. Strathclyde is a more regional university in those terms, with students mainly from the glasgow area. and its better known for its marketing courses. However, the job market in Scotland is still very restricted. Most students from scottish universities end up going to england for jobs. however, if ROI is a very important factor for you, then you should look at scotland maybe. two years is a long time. and definately you stand a better chance of tryin your luck in scotland with jobs to try n recover as 1 yr. may turn out to be less.
and i also hav n offer from Edinburgh MSc. Management however chose Bath over it only cause of the course at bath being better n better established.
also, the MBA conversion option at Strathclyde is a good option if you plan not to continue studyin further. However, i would suggest you to think over it. strathclyde is your typical corporate style B-school whereas Edinburgh is a more Academic, research oriented department of management-turned into a B-school(that too recently) n looking to expand in the coming years.
at the end bro, it all comes down to your choice n gut feeling!
tc n best of luck with your choice!

[pursuehappyness]

Originally Posted by ankursuri

Well sandeep my point about fresh talent was from a friend who's studying in scotland, in the Univ. of St. Andrews, pursuing an MA in Economics and Management. If you'd ask around, it is along with Edinburgh, one of the most prestigious universities in UK. Strathclyde is a more regional university in those terms, with students mainly from the glasgow area. and its better known for its marketing courses. However, the job market in Scotland is still very restricted. Most students from scottish universities end up going to england for jobs. however, if ROI is a very important factor for you, then you should look at scotland maybe. two years is a long time. and definately you stand a better chance of tryin your luck in scotland with jobs to try n recover as 1 yr. may turn out to be less.
and i also hav n offer from Edinburgh MSc. Management however chose Bath over it only cause of the course at bath being better n better established.
also, the MBA conversion option at Strathclyde is a good option if you plan not to continue studyin further. However, i would suggest you to think over it. strathclyde is your typical corporate style B-school whereas Edinburgh is a more Academic, research oriented department of management-turned into a B-school(that too recently) n looking to expand in the coming years.
at the end bro, it all comes down to your choice n gut feeling!
tc n best of luck with your choice!

Thanx again bro 4 ur prompt reply......i'm still trying 2 gather more info regarding t courses before I take a final decision....But as of now the balance is tilted towards Strathclyde 4 two reasons.....

1. the option 2 convert 2 MBA in future
2. MSc in management in Edinburgh is a very new course n t 1st batch will pass out only in Aug 2007, so no one knows abt its job prospects....

However, as I said, i'm trying 2 gather as much info as possible....btw, I called up the univs 2day n asked abt t job profiles the graduates r getting.....edinburgh--->no data since t 1st batch isnt out yet.....strathclyde--->they say that most of t graduates hav got into management trainee positions in various cos. i'm planning 2 verify that by getting some info from t seniors....lets c

This thread has been a gr8 place 4 ppl like me.....do post any updates as n wen u get them....all t best 4 ur course in Bath, it's really a good univ although slightly new 2 Indians...tc too...

Thanx,
Sandeep

[balajism]

kinda newbie to this section..
could u puys enlighten me as to the position of the following univ b schools for the msc/ma management courses?? ft says these r the best in the uk:

--Durham
--Bradford
--Bath
--Nottingham
--Lancaster


to me, the fee/living expense is the greatest constraint after the job prospects..i hrd bradford is the cheapest city in terms of student living in the uk..

can sm1 help me in making a good choice? of course..i shd b able to get a job that'll enable me to pay back my loans... :satisfie:

[trakesht]

well...
Rakesh here from pune.
Just got an admit from MA Management from Durham under somewhat interesting circumstances..
However I have sent them a request for deferral for one year.
Goin to give a shot at IIMs and ISB this year and if it doesnt work out, have always the backup of Durham and can give a shot at MBA programs with 3 yrs wrk ex.
Had also got an admit from Grenoble, which supposedly is 4th ranked in europe by FT..but chucked it soon because of problems of post graduation work prospects..
Also waiting for a decision from NHH....


my profile btw..
Btec in mech -NIT Calicut -68%
Working in Tata Motors as Assistant Manager in projects planning-from July 05
GMAT -720

I have attached the FT rankings...hopefully the company firewall will let it through...!!

[pursuehappyness]

Originally Posted by trakesht

well...
Rakesh here from pune.
Just got an admit from MA Management from Durham under somewhat interesting circumstances..
However I have sent them a request for deferral for one year.
Goin to give a shot at IIMs and ISB this year and if it doesnt work out, have always the backup of Durham and can give a shot at MBA programs with 3 yrs wrk ex.
Had also got an admit from Grenoble, which supposedly is 4th ranked in europe by FT..but chucked it soon because of problems of post graduation work prospects..
Also waiting for a decision from NHH....


my profile btw..
Btec in mech -NIT Calicut -68%
Working in Tata Motors as Assistant Manager in projects planning-from July 05
GMAT -720

I have attached the FT rankings...hopefully the company firewall will let it through...!!

Hi Rakesh,

Sandeep here from Chennai.

I believe it's a good decision that u hav made. I mean, with a good profile like urs and a good GMAT score, i feel it's always better 2 go 4 an MBA than a master's in management.

But i think that u can apply 4 MBA in a few AMBA accredited univs in UK like Royal Holloway, Southampton n Lancaster this year itself. they do consider good candidates with work ex of 2 years.

In my case, i hav 20 months of exp n havent taken the GMAT. hence an MBA from an accredited univ in UK is difficult. i took CAT n got admitted 2 MDI's PGPIM program. But it seems 2 b a risky option as t course is brand new. So, in all probability i'l b going 4 MBM in univ of Strathclyde, 4 which i hav a conditional offer.

My profile:
BTech in Mech from CET, Trivandrum - 68%
Workin as programmer analyst in Cognizant from Sep 05
CAT 93.64%