FT - Global MBA Rankings - 2007

[purple yogi]

Originally Posted by kgkid

Yale University "has" a great public policy school and an outstanding LAW school.
But, the school of management is far away from being called a distinguished school in traditional MBA exit options (i agree it is a good non-profit school). A nice analogy would be doing an MBA from IITs. Sure IITs have name but are they as good in "MBA"?
Hence, you can get nice stares and couple of dates out of saying you are a "yale grad" but getting a recruiter would be a whole different story altogether.

However, these are my observation as of today. But, 5 years from now it might be different. Yale *might* have distinguished itself then as a solid management school. But, i am more interested in 2 years from now. Infact, spring 2008 when i need the internship.

dude like i said it also boils down to right fit, i am looking for non-profit and social entre ... yale is very good for that, like you said. If you look at the IIT schools for MBA they will come up soon and i think one of the does figute in the top 10 that is if you like rankings a lot. i dont know if it would really that difficult to do intership if you are from Yale. What are you looking at .. is private equity or i banking, if so that can be tough in most of the places.

[NegativeCreep]

Iday, the thought of sour grapes never even crossed my mind. But when I said public opinion, I meant the brand value of these two institutions in the mind of the public. Since you have already concurred with me on this, we have nothing left to argue about. . AND I already said these schools are not for everyone. That's quite easy to see. But I seem to be unable to find the part where I said public opinion is all that matters. Help me find it, please?

And I can explain the different rankings. Nothing in this world works without an incentive. Period. The various rankings exist simply to promote different agendas. AND because people in general feed off rankings and lists. Anything in the world worth doing has some sort of ranking. But really, do we even need rankings to identify what the biggest brands are? Do you need a F1 drivers' ranking to tell you that Mika Hakkinen was the best there was? . See, I have an agenda too.

[nixbert]

Originally Posted by itsrahul

No doubt ISB is a good school and its gonna go up in rankings but is it really ever gonna be a global/international b-school. The trouble with ISB is that it is based in India - that means most of the applications it will receive will be from Indians among which most of the applicants wud be of IT background. Diversity is and will continue to remain a problem unless the school takes a decision to ensure diversity.

Look at the current batch - it has arnd 80% engineers and most of them would have IT work ex. I sincerely believe that the main learning in an MBA is from peer learning. U gain by interacting with ppl from different backgrounds, with different ideas.

Hence I do not see ISB becoming a truly international school in near future.

I dont think ISB's location in India is a handicap. All it needs is time and as it gains stature in the region there may not be a dearth of applicants from SE Asia, which many believe will see solid growth in near future. Besides a large engineer applicant pool can v well be turned into a strength rather than handicap.

However, i will now stop hijacking the thread with the thought that i believe only truly diverse schools in the world are all located in Europe (insead, imd, LBS). None of the US schools can hold a candle to them as far as diversity is concerned.

[nixbert]

Do you need a F1 drivers' ranking to tell you that Mika Hakkinen was the best there was?

Since you used 'was' - Ayrton Senna was the best ever. no contest.

[nixbert]

But, i am more interested in 2 years from now. Infact, spring 2008 when i need the internship.

for the sake of discussion lets say kgkid attends harvard and gets a sweet internship. Fast fwd this a few years and, for a moment, assume that HBS somehow ends up losing its premier status and is at a lowly 20th while Yale tops the ranking.

Now if kgkid were to apply for a job in say 2015 do you thnk HBS's rank at that time will affect him adversely or will he be able to counter that with his work-ex?

If he is able to counter the situation with his work-ex then does it really matter that he went to class of 08 HBS? He could as well have gone to tuck, chicago, columbia, etc(as long its a reasonably ranked school) and still be similarly successful.

If the HBS's current rank does affect his prospects then may be he has not really benefitted from going to HBS at all, he would've been better off if he had gone to gone to tuck, chicago, columbia, etc.

Do you see where i am getting at? What do you think?

My take is that schools like H/S/W are not only ranked highly they have held their ranks over the years. So while these schools do deserve kudos for what they are doing, it doesn't mean much to students once they are out of their doors. If you were a 'fit' and enjoyed your stay there, chances are you've learnt a lot more than it would've been possible if you were struggling to get along all the time. So as long as you make sure that you are a fit at your school and it places you in your dream niche, then its all down you. Rankings be damned.

@kgkid : sorry, i used you as an example. This was purely for the purpose of discussion.

[iday]

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

But I seem to be unable to find the part where I said public opinion is all that matters. Help me find it, please?

public(not to mention the recruiters') opinion over decades and decades is what makes a school.
this is what made me think so

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

And I can explain the different rankings. Nothing in this world works without an incentive. Period. The various rankings exist simply to promote different agendas.

Agreed. In this same thread, i have said how BW consistently pulls Wharton down on the list coz of certain past experiences.

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

Do you need a F1 drivers' ranking to tell you that Mika Hakkinen was the best there was? . See, I have an agenda too.

Taking the same example - Hakkinen doesnt live on top of everyone's list right I dont have any clear favorites (I believe diff players are good on diff kind of tracks) - but for many ppl out there, there are "different" clear favorites If something like this, the liking for a F1 driver, has so many possibilities, imagine what happens with the preference of a B School

[voodoochile]

Ahem !! No IIM in the top 100 !!!

[kgkid]

Originally Posted by nixbert

for the sake of discussion lets say kgkid attends harvard and gets a sweet internship. Fast fwd this a few years and, for a moment, assume that HBS somehow ends up losing its premier status and is at a lowly 20th while Yale tops the ranking.

Now if kgkid were to apply for a job in say 2015 do you thnk HBS's rank at that time will affect him adversely or will he be able to counter that with his work-ex?

If he is able to counter the situation with his work-ex then does it really matter that he went to class of 08 HBS? He could as well have gone to tuck, chicago, columbia, etc(as long its a reasonably ranked school) and still be similarly successful.

If the HBS's current rank does affect his prospects then may be he has not really benefitted from going to HBS at all, he would've been better off if he had gone to gone to tuck, chicago, columbia, etc.

Do you see where i am getting at? What do you think?

My take is that schools like H/S/W are not only ranked highly they have held their ranks over the years. So while these schools do deserve kudos for what they are doing, it doesn't mean much to students once they are out of their doors. If you were a 'fit' and enjoyed your stay there, chances are you've learnt a lot more than it would've been possible if you were struggling to get along all the time. So as long as you make sure that you are a fit at your school and it places you in your dream niche, then its all down you. Rankings be damned.

@kgkid : sorry, i used you as an example. This was purely for the purpose of discussion.

No problem. But it was nice to be associated with HBS. I will reply to you in my next post. Right now at work

[puhrince]

FT.com / Global MBA 2007 - Top 10s in selected categories

Rotman is 7th

Originally Posted by gdhiman

Can somone provide the link for FT rankings specifically for Finance majors??

I was reading an article from rotman's dean saying Rotman is ranked 7th in the world by FT in Finance.
Can't seem to find that ranking though?

[dianap]

Originally Posted by puhrince

FT.com / Global MBA 2007 - Top 10s in selected categories

Rotman is 7th

Hey, I am wondering why the audit years for all the participants of the FT ranking are not the same. That makes the ranking not in the same start line.
Somebody can explain this?