RSM Erasmus( Netherlands) 2007 Interviews N Beyond

[jat_pagla]

Originally Posted by cimdaa

Keep in mind that INSEAD has a high number of students that are sponsored by their companies such as McK and other m.consulting companies? So it skews the recruitment numbers.

Is RSM second tier europe school?

visit this link 2 see which schools the companies are hiring from!
BusinessWeek B-Schools MBA Recruiting Data - Who's Hiring

Some data I got:

McKinsey & Co.
Number hired: 359

Schools where McKinsey & Co. hired MBAs:
(Click any school name to see profile, including top 15 recruiters) School Number INSEAD 90 University of Pennsylvania 57 Northwestern University 38 University of Chicago 38 Columbia University 27 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 24 London Business School 12 UC Berkeley (Haas) 11 Dartmouth College 10 IESE Business School 8 Oxford University 6 Indian Institute of Management at Ahmedabad 5 Yale 5 Western Ontario (Ivey) 4 Cornell University 4 SDA Bocconi 3 USC (Marshall) 2 Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School 2 Tsinghua University 2 Brandeis University 2 Case Western Reserve 2 HEC - School of Management 2 Washington (Olin) 2 Temple University 1 Imperial College London 1 Minnesota (Carlson) 1
Booz Allen Hamilton
Number hired: 110

Schools where Booz Allen Hamilton hired MBAs:
(Click any school name to see profile, including top 15 recruiters) School Number Northwestern University 18 Columbia University 17 University of Pennsylvania 13 University of Chicago 10 INSEAD 9 London Business School 9 Carnegie Mellon 8 IESE Business School 5 Yale 5 UNC Chapel-Hill (Kenan-Flagler) 3 USC (Marshall) 2 Oxford University 2 Emory University 2
Boston Consulting Group
Number hired: 169

Schools where Boston Consulting Group hired MBAs:
(Click any school name to see profile, including top 15 recruiters) School Number INSEAD 60 Northwestern University 25 University of Chicago 16 Columbia University 16 Dartmouth College 12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 9 IESE Business School 9 London Business School 6 Western Ontario (Ivey) 4 Yale 4 UC Berkeley (Haas) 4 Erasmus University 2 University of Toronto

[cimdaa]

I know. I've seen the figures. But then RSM says that McK hired from them, but the Business Week site doesn't list down RSM.

No doubt, I agree that Insead has a better brand name and network. But I honestly can't say whether the education would be better or worse. I think, at some level, the quality of the education would be equivalent?

[jat_pagla]

Originally Posted by cimdaa

I know. I've seen the figures. But then RSM says that McK hired from them, but the Business Week site doesn't list down RSM.

No doubt, I agree that Insead has a better brand name and network. But I honestly can't say whether the education would be better or worse. I think, at some level, the quality of the education would be equivalent?

Quality of education being equvalent?! I again have a different opinion.

Most of the colleges don't have the same coursework, best faculty is attracted to top Schools, more money for research at top schools ( albeit RSM has great research center), intelligent-competitive-diverse students at top schools.

All this makes quality of education much better in a top school.
Also in MBA, we learn more from the peer group coming from various fields.
So while choosing a B school it's important to choose one that has a peer group to which you can contribute and at the same time learn a lot from their experiences.

RSM will take students with 2-4 yrs of experience, but a school like INSEAD or LBS will take students with nearly 6+ years of experience who have already had project management experience.

We have to choose what fits us...

[jat_pagla]

Originally Posted by cimdaa

I know. I've seen the figures. But then RSM says that McK hired from them, but the Business Week site doesn't list down RSM.

No doubt, I agree that Insead has a better brand name and network. But I honestly can't say whether the education would be better or worse. I think, at some level, the quality of the education would be equivalent?

This discussion with you is really beneficial, I am doing more research on RSM...
I have the interview on Jan 15th! I got be pro-RSM

[cimdaa]

Sorry, when I mean "at a certain level" I refer to Chicago, Tuck, Harvard, Stanford as one group. Regardless of which school you enter, you will learn the relatively the same technical skills. Harvard is not going to have some super course that teaches stuff that nobody else in the world knows about.

So, I am trying to figure out, is RSM the educational peer of Insead/LBS/IESE ? Is there a definitive european ranking list?

I'm 65% to apply to RSM, only thing is, I would like to do consulting and am trying to get the stats for post mba career. I've got the b/week stats and the rsm stats, but they're not very clear. If you look at the b/week stats about hiring companies and where they recruit from, you don't see RSM's name (i think), so do only smaller euro companies hire the bulk from RSM?

[jat_pagla]

Originally Posted by cimdaa

Sorry, when I mean "at a certain level" I refer to Chicago, Tuck, Harvard, Stanford as one group. Regardless of which school you enter, you will learn the relatively the same technical skills. Harvard is not going to have some super course that teaches stuff that nobody else in the world knows about.

So, I am trying to figure out, is RSM the educational peer of Insead/LBS/IESE ? Is there a definitive european ranking list?

I'm 65% to apply to RSM, only thing is, I would like to do consulting and am trying to get the stats for post mba career. I've got the b/week stats and the rsm stats, but they're not very clear. If you look at the b/week stats about hiring companies and where they recruit from, you don't see RSM's name (i think), so do only smaller euro companies hire the bulk from RSM?

From what I have heard RSM excels in IT and Logistics. So expect more recruitment in that Sector. It's competitor HEC(Paris) is good in Finance, Strategy and Marketing.

I think Ft has good rankings, with no major 'upsets'!

FT.com / Business education
FT.com / Business education

Best Business Schools - Forbes.com

Check that, also try topmba and its scorecard. It will list colleges as per specialization and other preferences, rankings tweaked to our likings! I like that!

I have got admit in HEC, I am focussed on Consulting - But I have a liking towards RSM right from beginning. I like the city, language won't be a big problem(unless ones wants to work in Netherlands), and RSM guys get jobs in UK!

The big consulting names might be absent in the RSM list, but if one is a good candidate - and with RSM degree no consulting firm can turn a blind eye!

[jat_pagla]

Originally Posted by cimdaa

Sorry, when I mean "at a certain level" I refer to Chicago, Tuck, Harvard, Stanford as one group. Regardless of which school you enter, you will learn the relatively the same technical skills. Harvard is not going to have some super course that teaches stuff that nobody else in the world knows about.

So, I am trying to figure out, is RSM the educational peer of Insead/LBS/IESE ? Is there a definitive european ranking list?

I'm 65% to apply to RSM, only thing is, I would like to do consulting and am trying to get the stats for post mba career. I've got the b/week stats and the rsm stats, but they're not very clear. If you look at the b/week stats about hiring companies and where they recruit from, you don't see RSM's name (i think), so do only smaller euro companies hire the bulk from RSM?

To answer educational peer question, yes I think RSM(Erasmus University) is in the top 10 European schools(rated above Insead in FT) (Remember FT is ranking the University and not the program!)

And Big names missing in the list you saw, try looking for Erasmus University! Big companies do line up at RSM!

[cimdaa]

You're referring to

Erasmus Recruitment Days 2007

?
I have to admit, the list of companies look good. But it's open to the whole university, so you would be competing against undergrads as well as the whole university. Not only that, but the positions offered may be at entry level for fresh graduates.

I don't think RSM itself has a specific careers day meet the company event.

As for ranking, it's 24 on FT, but some awful number on the EIU.

*sigh* But i'm not competitive for H/S/W ...

I'm actually quite keen on RSM. I mean, so far talking with the ad coms and its alums, RSM seems like a pretty decent place. Sure, it won't guarantee me a position with McK and friends, but I think I would be able to get a decent job coming out of RSM.

Question is, where do you want to work after RSM? Even if you say UK, the visa lasts only a year and you will be competing with people from USA schools and UK schools. If you say Europe, then you've got the language to learn. So, in that sense, I'm still thinking hard about post MBA career with RSM.

[jat_pagla]

Yeah I agree completely with your thoughts, but then we will face competition at every phase in our career. Atleast RSM gives an entry into the competition. Thats how I am looking at RSM. It's not a sure shot ticket, but a safe bet nonetheless!

If money is not a criterion then US schools are a better option, even top 20 B schools stand a better chance than RSM.

I chose European schools for Monetary reason and Short Duration of the course. But we have to sacrifice/compromise on opportunities.

Have you cut your option of coming back to India and work in Technical Consulting??

Originally Posted by cimdaa

You're referring to

Erasmus Recruitment Days 2007

?
I have to admit, the list of companies look good. But it's open to the whole university, so you would be competing against undergrads as well as the whole university. Not only that, but the positions offered may be at entry level for fresh graduates.

I don't think RSM itself has a specific careers day meet the company event.

As for ranking, it's 24 on FT, but some awful number on the EIU.

*sigh* But i'm not competitive for H/S/W ...

I'm actually quite keen on RSM. I mean, so far talking with the ad coms and its alums, RSM seems like a pretty decent place. Sure, it won't guarantee me a position with McK and friends, but I think I would be able to get a decent job coming out of RSM.

Question is, where do you want to work after RSM? Even if you say UK, the visa lasts only a year and you will be competing with people from USA schools and UK schools. If you say Europe, then you've got the language to learn. So, in that sense, I'm still thinking hard about post MBA career with RSM.

[cimdaa]

*sigh*

To RSM or not. Well, I guess it's better to RSM than to not attend b-school.... It should help boost career in the very least. Have checked the average salary for the class of 2005 - it's about usd95k. about 10% less than Insead, but that's still a pretty good deal..

Essays for RSM aren't that straight forward either. But I think I'll give it a shot and apply to RSM. See what happens from there then.

No. Haven't thought about going to India to work, and can't do technical consulting, am in commercial banking.