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Re: profile check pls - 19-05-2007, 04:27 PM

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Its one thing to repeatedly post the same post across a lot of threads, quite another to post in the same thread from where a Mod has removed it to the appropriate section!

Kindly do not repeat this. It doesnt look well on your part and you likely to annoy a whole lot of people who have to see the same thing over and over again.

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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 19-05-2007, 05:17 PM

IIMA is conducting its information session about PGPX course in Bangalore on May 27th at Le Meridian. Dr. Arivind Sahay chair person , PGPX will be the speaker for this event. We can clarify all our doubts queries in the seminar directly with Dr. Sahay or with the manager of PGPX, Mr. Alok Jain. Call on 080- 41288501/2 to book your seat alternatively you can send email to register@csqrl.com
   
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consider myself corrected - 19-05-2007, 07:08 PM

Hi neo,

I would like to tell you that i had first posted in "2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint" and finding that there was no response, i had posted in "Aiming ISB" where i had gotten a reply from one of the readers. For this i had again replied asking for more specific details. I do not see any of my posts moved from one topic to another in any of the posts.

However, if my action would have caused any inconvenience to anyone involved including the readers or the mods, i would like to assure you that this will surely not be repeated again. Henceforth, I shall be more careful in seeing to it that no action such as this happens.

I have considered myself WARNED

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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 20-05-2007, 01:12 AM

As an unsuccessful indian IT applicant from the previous season who is looking to reapply and get an admit, I wanted to share what I have learnt from my experiences by going through the mba process and watching other applicants getting admitted and denied ...with others here as many of you have helped me out in the past. Bear in mind this applies to applicants in general, and to indian applicants in some cases. Also, other's views may differ significantly from what I say - this is strictly my view (and i am sure there are exceptions to these views as well):

For those who are targetting top 10-20 schools:

I have noticed that a few schools (among M7) look for a certain 'wow' factor in applicants - just having a good gmat, gpa and big name company/we does not cut it. You should have some experience that...lets say, <5% of indian candidates will have that can make you stand out. Some examples of this 'wow' factors could be something like:
1. You representated india in badminton kabbadi championship, or even won a national or state level contest (maybe in badminton, table-tennis, etc).
2. Significant accomplishment in art or something cultural related, maybe your kathak indian dances were broadcasted in indian television
3. maybe you trekked kanchenjunga successfully
4. you got 15 patents in your field while working for company X (even better if this field is unconventional, manufacturing, agriculture, etc...maybe something where you work in a rural setting instead of mumbai or bangalore)
5. you lead to expand your company's operations in a new geographic location, eg singapore, china, etc. and made a significant bottom line contribution.

For most of us, we dont have such experiences....But a lot of times, we surely do have one, or maybe a few experiences which if just simply stated, may not be a 'wow' factor to the general public, but is perhaps very important to you and someone like your brother or father or uncle would understand its significance as they know you. So, if you can state it in such a way, and spin a good story to show the adcoms how and why this experience was significant to you, that can do the trick.

Some schools which really look for a 'wow' experience from applicants:
1. Harvard - more leadership focussed
2. Stanford
3. Kellog
4. MIT Sloan - could be academic/professional focussed

On the contrary, at some of the other top schools, you can get lucky by using one of your personal experiences and giving it a good spin (kind of what i mentioned towards the end of my paragraph above). Some schools like these are:

1. Wharton
2. Chicago
3. Michigan Ross
4. Haas
5. NYU

Now of course high GMAT scores (750+ for indians) help in applying to all schools, but your chances are much stronger at some of the top schools if you can bang out a 750+

1. CMU
2. Yale
3. NYU
4. McCombs


At some schools, your showing a high amount of interest makes a big difference. Visiting the school and getting feedback & reapplying if you were rejected before significantly increases your chances. Some schools like these are:

1. Tuck
2. Duke
3. Darden
4. UNC
5. Cornell
even Haas and Ross to a certain extent. However dont get confused and assume that you will get admitted if you visited Tuck or Cornell - of course your profile needs to be strong with solid essays. But if it comes down to admitting you or another 1-2 applicant, considering other things similar - the fact that you visited will probably be the most significant reason you will get in.

So, while doing research and selecting schools, keep these things in mind and dont waste your energy and time on applying to a school where you practically have no chance of getting in. Just to give you an example, I would have really loved to attend Stanford or MIT as I am in internet ventures and quite entrepreneurial. But with a 700+ gmat, 3.9 GPA and decent WE, I have pretty much no chance of getting in to these schools with no 'wow' experience... (if only i had joined the Youtube startup group a couple of years ago...

And for those who still have 2-3 years before applying, take some risk, be different and try do something unique that can make you stand out. For eg. if you are 23-24 years old and think that your family can support you, take a few months off or even a year, travel to a few different countries (doesn't have to be a western advanced country...anywhere in Asia or africa could be fine...or even rural india, maybe take up a voluntary role or hitch hike and travel.....dont just sit in the cube and do programming and look for the easy bucks. The key is to challenge yourself to do something unique that, under normal circumstances you would never have to do. I wish i knew this when I was 23 years old that I would be applying to the top mba programs, but the truth is a lot of us dont. You shouldn't be thinking of something like this only because you will be targetting a top mba program, you should indulge in versatile activities regardless...these unique experiences will surely add a unique angle to your views. I know, our parents only want us to study and become a doctor or engineer, but at 18+ you are an adult, to try take decisions independently and convince your family to let you have these experiences!!

Oh..another IMPORTANT thing that I learned - Harvard and Stanford tend to favor younger applicants (24-26 yrs) whereas Wharton, Chicago and even Kellog can work with older applicants (27-29 years)...but you knew that if you checked the class profiles of these schools....right

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Now I know for a lot of us $$ plays a big role in deciding where to apply. Depending on your profile, if you get into the M7 and a few other schools, $$ is not an issue as you can get a loan without any cosigners. Otherwise if you are targetting top 30 schools, try get a real good GMAT score (750+) and you can get good scholarships at some of the good regional MBA programs. Good Gmat, and APPLY EARLY!!! Some of these schools that I have seen offering great scholarships are:

1. Emory
2. McCombs
3. NotreDame
4. BYU
5. Vanderbilt
6. Purdue
and a few others....but the key is good gmat and apply early.

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Finally, not all of us are great writers. I for one would make many grammer mistakes or write awkward sentences. So if needed, use an english tutor or essay consultant. Some tend to think these are unethical, but there are many ethical consultants out there who would just guide you instead of writing your own essays...some I have heard of are MBAExchange, Clear Admit, Accepted.com. In India, I am sure there are quite a few but dont know much about them.


Gosh, this post is getting outta control...way too long...my apologies - please dont kill me for this but whatever I have written is what I have seen from my applying to some of these schools and others friends/acquaintances/forum buddies getting admitted/dinged from different schools.
Now lets take on the 2008 app season like there's no tomorrow
   
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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 20-05-2007, 08:40 AM

Hey Yonomi..
That's an awesome post for janta in this thread....
Thanks a ton..

I'd also like to have a view from ur side on relative rankings of the universities in term of Brand Recognition in India..as I'd like to return to India right after completing my MBA... (I'll go to US only if I get a decent schol, else US MBA is out of my pocket)


One of my relatives scared me by telling a story of one of his friends who did his MBA from US, but when he wanted to return to India, he found almost takers.. Off-course, his university was relatively unknown.. But scary part was that at one of the places, he was told that technology is the same everywhere, but ppl aren't.. So though we take ppl who've done MS from US universities, we prefer management grads from India only..

Now this may be the case of some obscure university and stand of one interviewer only, but it has made me think again::
if I want to come back to India, is it a wise decision to go for a US MBA??

I always thot it'll add to me more if I do an international MBA..


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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 21-05-2007, 07:53 AM

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For most of us, we dont have such experiences....But a lot of times, we surely do have one, or maybe a few experiences which if just simply stated, may not be a 'wow' factor to the general public, but is perhaps very important to you and someone like your brother or father or uncle would understand its significance as they know you. So, if you can state it in such a way, and spin a good story to show the adcoms how and why this experience was significant to you, that can do the trick.
Very valid point you mention here. Ironic that you mention this here. I was having this exact same conversation with a friend of mine. Spinning stories directly translates into real life. I work for one of the Big 4 firms and I meet key C-Level executives almost on a daily basis. What I've learned and observed is that 'PRESENTATION' is extremely important as you move up. From the words you utter to a person you meet for the first time to how you are dressed to how you articulate etc. What I'm trying to get at - is the better you package the gift the better you are on top. This is ofcourse assuming you are excellent at your work. You've pretty much driven the point and hit home run in regard to the essay's

I will not completely agree with you when you say that you should tailor your career to get admitted into an MBA. I am aware many people do it. But whats the point ? Either you get in or you dont! According to me its a shame if someone tries to doctor their career just to make it into grad school. I believe you should be successful even before you get to grad school because not only would that show where you'll be going post MBA but it would also show that you don't really need an MBA to make it and this is a wild guess but i'm pretty sure that a good %age of the students admitted to Harvard, Stanford etc can do without an MBA and are already very successful. Best way to view it is like the television show 'The Apprentice'. This however is my opine and different people can argue differently.

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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 22-05-2007, 06:33 PM

the 2006 business week rankings...views on US schools beyond top 20-30 pls.


Top 30 U.S. Programs
1 University of Chicago
2 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
3 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
4 Harvard University
5 University of Michigan (Ross)
6 Stanford University
7 MIT (Sloan)
8 UC Berkeley (Haas)
9 Duke University (Fuqua)
10 Columbia University
11 Dartmouth (Tuck)
12 UCLA (Anderson)
13 Cornell University (Johnson)
14 NYU (Stern)
15 University of Virginia (Darden)
16 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
17 UNC - Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
18 Indiana University (Kelley)
19 Yale University
20 Texas - Austin
21 University of Southern California (Marshall)
22 Georgetown University (McDonough)
23 Emory University (Goizueta)
24 Purdue University (Krannert)
25 University of Maryland (Smith)
26 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza)
27 Washington University (Olin)
28 Rochester (Simon)
29 Michigan State University (Broad)
30 Vanderbilt University (Owen)
Non-U.S. Top 10 MBA Programs

1 Queens University
2 Western Ontario (Ivey)
3 Toronto (Rotman)
4 IMD
5 London Business School
6 INSEAD
7 ESADE
8 IESE
9 York (Schulich)
10 HEC - Montreal
U.S. Second Tier Programs

Babson
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Minnesota (Carlson)
Ohio State University (Fisher)
Penn State University (Smeal)
Thunderbird (Garvin)
Wake Forest University (Babcock)
University of Wisconsin-Madison
U.S. Programs Also Considered For Ranking

American University (Kogod)
University of Arizona (Eller)
Arizona State University (Carey)
Boston College (Carroll)
Boston University
Brigham Young University (Marriott)
Buffalo University
UC Davis
UC Irvine (Merage)
Case Western University (Weatherhead)
University of Connecticut
University of Florida
Florida International University
Fordham University
George Washington University University
University of Georgia (Terry)
Georgia Tech
Howard University
University of Iowa (Tippie)
Northeastern University
University of Pittsburgh (Katz)
Pepperdine University (Graziadio)
Rice University (Jones)
Rutgers University
University of South Carolina (Moore)
Southern Methodist University (Cox)
Syracuse University (Whitman)
University of Tennessee at Knoxville
Texas Christian University
Tulane University (Freeman)
University of Washington
William and Mary (Mason)
Non-U.S. Second-Tier Programs

University of British Columbia (Sauder)
Cambridge University (Judge)
HEC - Paris
McGill University
SDA Bocconi
Non-U.S. Also Considered

Asian Institute of Management
Cranfield University
Instituto de Empresas
Manchester Business School
Oxford (Said)
Rotterdam (Erasmus)
University College - Dublin
University of Warwick
   
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Re: 2008 MBA (international - U.S.) Aspirants Joint - 22-05-2007, 06:34 PM

Business week 2006 rankings... views on schools beyond top 20-30 pls


US Top 30 U.S. Programs
1 University of Chicago
2 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
3 Northwestern University (Kellogg)
4 Harvard University
5 University of Michigan (Ross)
6 Stanford University
7 MIT (Sloan)
8 UC Berkeley (Haas)
9 Duke University (Fuqua)
10 Columbia University
11 Dartmouth (Tuck)
12 UCLA (Anderson)
13 Cornell University (Johnson)
14 NYU (Stern)
15 University of Virginia (Darden)
16 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)
17 UNC - Chapel Hill (Kenan-Flagler)
18 Indiana University (Kelley)
19 Yale University
20 Texas - Austin
21 University of Southern California (Marshall)
22 Georgetown University (McDonough)
23 Emory University (Goizueta)
24 Purdue University (Krannert)
25 University of Maryland (Smith)
26 University of Notre Dame (Mendoza)
27 Washington University (Olin)
28 Rochester (Simon)
29 Michigan State University (Broad)
30 Vanderbilt University (Owen)
Non-U.S. Top 10 MBA Programs

1 Queens University
2 Western Ontario (Ivey)
3 Toronto (Rotman)
4 IMD
5 London Business School
6 INSEAD
7 ESADE
8 IESE
9 York (Schulich)
10 HEC - Montreal
U.S. Second Tier Programs

Babson
Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Minnesota (Carlson)
Ohio State University (Fisher)