[Federer]

hi dsotm_floyd and ALL,:neutral:

This is my first post, but i also read hindu regularly. The only thing i would like to say is although the topic u have given(science vs astrology) is a good one, its pretty old. I think it would be better if we made a ROUTINE that we would analyse those edit articles that come on that particular day. This way we can have a generalised discussion and it wud be easier for all.

What do u say GUYS ???

[dsotm_floyd]

Originally Posted by Federer

hi dsotm_floyd and ALL,:neutral:

This is my first post, but i also read hindu regularly. The only thing i would like to say is although the topic u have given(science vs astrology) is a good one, its pretty old. I think it would be better if we made a ROUTINE that we would analyse those edit articles that come on that particular day. This way we can have a generalised discussion and it wud be easier for all.

What do u say GUYS ???

K buddy!!! but let's make a habit of searching for and posting abstract passages from time to time.... anyway...keep posting regularly on this thread...

[dsotm_floyd]

guys am posting a fresh article...
The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : Russia to lay claim to Arctic seabed

Observations:
1. The article is about Russia's claim to a sizeable portion of the Arctic shelf, which is beleived to contain nearly 20% of the world's remaining hydrocarbon reserves, which is hotly contested by Greenland, Cananda, U.S, Norway.
2. Russians claim to have gathered scientific evidence that the arctic shelf is a continuation of the Russian continental platfrom.
3. The author is of the opinion that western nations would lobby hard to prevent Russia from claiming sovereign rights over the seabed even if it is backed by sound scientific evidence.
FACTS:
1.Global warming has made the resources of the Arctic region a lot more accesible.
2. The existing reserves of Middle east are expected to be exhausted by 2030.
3. Experts are of the opinion that oil production from the middle east has already peaked.
4. The area above the north pole is a virtual No man's land . as per international Law.
4. The region, apart from oil and gas is also thought to contain Uranium,Diamond , silver and Copper.
5. Another issues is that of shipping routes. Global warming is opening up the Arctic sea, which if used as a shipping route,could shorten Europe-Asia route by nearly 2500 miles.

Guys please discuss... we would gain nothing if we are merely posting articles...

[Federer]

Hi all,

Analysis of Hindu Edits: 16.07.07
# Musharraf looks to the moderates #
1. Although Musharraf's image has not suffered any damage with the Lal Masjid incident, he hasn't gained anything either. The incident has been seen by the public as unfortunate yet necessary. So although it was expected to cause a further dent in his image, he has come quite clean in this one atleast.
2. Musharraf may feel that by going all out against the extremists, he may win over new supporters, but looking at the current political scenario in Pakistan, it is not be so.
The people believe that such incidents will be avoided if there is a democracy in place.
Conclusion:
Unless Musharraf does something, gaining popularity of C.J. Iftikhar Chaudhary and want of democarcy by people will lead to his fall in the very elections he is seeking to use so as to reaffirm his supremacy.Mr. Musharraf must feel the pulse of the nation before taking any political steps from now on because his standings aren't very good.
THE MOOD IS CHANGING, SO MUST THE STRATEGIES......

# RUSSIA to lay claim to Arctic Seabed #
1. It is natural for any country(here, Russia) to make all possible endeavours to get the exclusive rights in an area so abundant of natural resources as the Arctic is. Also Canada is another country which is also fully geared up to maintain its claim and by the likes it, a confrontation between diff countries on an issue as unexpected yet important as this may occur as USA is trying its might not to let Russia get the rights.
Conclusion:
Who gets the rights is of not that great consequence as is the fact that what will be the steps taken to protect the serenity, peace of the pristine environment of the Arctic already endangered by Global Warming. No where in the article or anywhere else is it even hinted if the respective govts. have taken any steps to prevent the degradation of the environment. Once the place is full of Drilling equipments, all peace and calm goes for a six.
Global warming is already taking its toll, and if proper steps are not taken to preserve the icing and the environment, WE MAY HAVE AN ARCTIC BATH, SOONER THAN LATER.


Must say ur analysis is quite awesome, dsotm_floyd.

Federer rules, nadal fools....

[Federer]

Hi dsotm floyd

wat say? let us fix half an hour daily where at least the two of us can analyse and discuss the day's HINDU's edits. Plus if any one of us finds any other good topic he can post its link and we can follow it up on the next day. Ofcourse anyone else who wants to join is heartily welcome. This way we will get some discussion for sure instead of just posting our analysis.

Time i suggest is either 5to 6 pm OR 10 to 11 pm.
Federer rules, nadal fools.....

[Federer]

Analysis of Hindu Edits 17.07.07

# Dr. Haneef’s Case #

The case of Haneef, as has been presented till date by the journalists of Hindu and replied to by its reader, I find, is devoid or very mellow on an issue which is quite important and from Haneef’s point of view , the most important.

Dr Haneef’s giving away a SIM card is not unnatural, its something any one of us could have done or maybe still do. What is astonishing is his detention by the Aus. Immigration minister K.Andrews because “He feels that Dr.Haneef may have been involved with the persons related to the terrorist acts”. How he has come to this conclusion God only knows. What is more surprising is the soft stand of the Indian Govt. for Haneef. Instead of criticizing the Aus. Govt. on this unlawful and scrupulous act, they have requested them to deal fairly. The Fair Deal is open for all to see.

The govt. should see that in their bid to remain politically correct, it is an INDIAN who is suffering in Australia and his family in India.


# Debate or Denial: The Muslim dilemma #

The article is a very critical analysis of the fact that almost all terrorist acts are by Muslims and almost every time the blame is on West’s Foreign policy or misguiding of innocent individuals by the Extremists.

The main points addressed in the passage are:

· The Muslim world will have to come out of the defensive mood it gets into, every time an Islamist attacks some place or the other. It is time to look inside deeply.

· They have to accept that no terrorist is a misguided individual but a person carrying out his personal aim in the name of Islam.

· No terrorist does so because of the foreign policies of any other nation, as has been said by two ex-Extremists, now citizens of Britain.

Analysis:
It is for the first time that a Muslim writer has done such a critical and honest analysis of why almost every terrorist is from the world of Islam, and why the Muslims never own up anything. Instead of blaming somebody else always for their own misgivings is not going to help them. The feeling of violence are deep rooted in the history of Islam and it is not a completely peace loving religion as is propounded by its proponents.


COME ON GUYS!!! HAVE ALL STOPPED READING HINDU???

[dsotm_floyd]

good work again federer.... am posting the articles discussed by federer here....
The Hindu : Opinion / Leader Page Articles : Debate or denial: the Muslim dilemma

Observations:
1. The Author feels the Islamic world is eluding reality everytime it accuses the western world of having the sole responsibility of inciting Islam related violence. True, Western foreign policies aren't doing any good to the the troubled Islamic Psyche. But, to pass the buck to the Western nations for all the problems amounts to faking reality and "living in denial". He corroborates this claim by quoting several ex- extremists, who admit that it was the tantalising image of an Islamic state that drove them to acts of terror.
2. The author, by quoting Mr. Ziauddin sardar,points to the inherently violent nature of Islam coupled with verses that justify and legitimise Jihad. He points out that most Islamic terrorist acts are spurred by an intepretation of Koran, even though it may be a lopsided and perverted intepretation.
3. The author feels that the context of the violence that was legitimised in the Sacred text, when Islam was in it's infancy, has lost it's relevance. He exhorts the muslim community to face reality and to introspect and discuss.

[ideacrash]

[quote=Federer;818482]Analysis of Hindu Edits 17.07.07

# Dr. Haneef’s Case #

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See haneef may oe may not be involved in the terrorists act but there is a 50 - 50 chance of his involvement. If he is not guilty then its well and good ,however if he has any conection he may complete the task which kafeel had left out .

And also the australian govenment have not taged named him under terrorist.they have just detained him till they are sure that he is not involved with the terrorist.

Initially even kafeels parents were thinking he is not not invovled in any such guilty acts , only after they found the evidence against kafeel every one got to know. So we cannot blame the Australian government and i dont think Haneefs has been treated badly like the prisoners . One everything becomes clear , he would walk out proudly .

there is a lot of peoples life at stake , so i think the aus government is a little overcosious .
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[Federer]

Hi ideacrash,

I agree what u r saying is true, but you know there has to be a legal way for everything, the Aus Minister revoked his work visa without giving any explanation and if they have evidence they should produce it. It is possible he is involved, but just think if he is not involved, what would be the state of the person and his family. In case the govt has evidence its action is justified but it is just acting on intuition and doesn't wan't to let go Haneef, otherwise where's the proof.

[Federer]

Analysis of the Hindu Edits: 18.07.07

The link for the article discussed below is:
The Hindu : Opinion / Leader Page Articles : Terror’s challenge to the Indian imagination

# Terror’s challenge to the Indian Imagination #

The author puts forth the following points in the given article:

Our belief and pride that none of the Indian Muslims have ever been involved in the terrorist activities, has been shattered with the events of Glasgow and London and subsequent charges against the Ahmed brothers of Bangalore.

Every time there is a terrorist activity in India, a naxalite attack or there is an event even remotely related to terror, the blame game of the Opposition and the defense game of the Ruling party begins.

For nearly 2 decades now, instead of finding proper solutions and strategies to combat terrorism our leaders have relied on alleging and blaming each other for the activities. Its not as if we are new to the world of terrorism. Apart from Kashmir, there have been various terrorist events since the time of Rajiv Gandhi we have devised a very convenient blame game which helps us to remain in our cocoon and blame each other without taking any pro-active steps.

The Indian govt. has to realize that blaming each other is of-course very comfortable as no steps have to be taken, but as the authors points out, its time we have a National strategy and definite way of combating terrorism instead of just condemning the acts of terror as and when they occur. The govt. has to have a proper way in which it will work whenever there is an attack or attempt so that results are seen not only on sheets but also in reality. The time has come for the govt. to tighten the leash on Intelligence agencies so that instead of just fighting bureaucratic battles they concentrate on the real job at hand.




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