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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 20-08-2008, 03:11 PM

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yupa.. pooja we appreciate that..... coz after all we have to post questions and explanation from different sources.. and english is a very contentious subject..

by the way i haven't seen your posts on qunats and DI threads.... not active on hose threads ??
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see getting an answer is not the purpose....getting the point is the purpose...so no need to be sorry... as you posted whatever was in the soln. its upto us to find out the way...

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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 20-08-2008, 03:17 PM

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so wait till someone else.... clear your queries... so anyone any new questions to post....will pm u about the next question you asked.
@ navneet ya you are sure... My personal take is given below.... let me know... if I am wrong....even though the answer does not match the source.. Do you have TIME LFCU question.....English is not funny I feel its crazy language and specially to engg...
My personal take on that question was d)JIFFI
How?
I only looked at
As the custodian of a revered national sport, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record. -Judgement as this is an opinion and it change according to individual.
Then I looked at
There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor as Fact as one can verify if the are few facilities or not and
then next sentence which is
This week, the national team—representing a billion-plus Indians—suffered a series defeat to Australia (population: 20m). and for sure fact.

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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 20-08-2008, 03:43 PM

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so wait till someone else.... clear your queries... so anyone any new questions to post....will pm u about the next question you asked.
@ navneet ya you are sure... My personal take is given below.... let me know... if I am wrong....even though the answer does not match the source.. Do you have TIME LFCU question.....English is not funny I feel its crazy language and specially to engg...
My personal take on that question was d)JIFFI
How?
I only looked at
As the custodian of a revered national sport, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record. -Judgement as this is an opinion and it change according to individual.
Then I looked at
There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor as Fact as one can verify if the are few facilities or not and
then next sentence which is This week, the national team—representing a billion-plus Indians—suffered a series defeat to Australia (population: 20m). and for sure fact.
LFCU bole to...


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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 20-08-2008, 04:03 PM

@ masoom in TIME MOCK last week they had ques logical, long term fact, conclusion...kind of ques which I got all wrong though was sure that i understood right so just wanted to discuss that if anyone have questions as my question paper is with friend I don;t have questions.......
   
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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 20-08-2008, 04:15 PM

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@ masoom in TIME MOCK last week they had ques logical, long term fact, conclusion...kind of ques which I got all wrong though was sure that i understood right so just wanted to discuss that if anyone have questions as my question paper is with friend I don;t have questions.......
oops.. i missed last AIMCAT .. so not having the questions.. but if u missed them.. they must have created a great havoc


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Re: Fact, Inference, Judgement For CAT 2008 - 21-08-2008, 09:15 PM

they werent tat tuf to arrive at the answer, i got 2/3...but guidelines and rules are not known...
also questions wer LCFI not u...dont have the question paper with me right now thou...


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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 22-08-2008, 11:53 AM

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@masoom
so wait till someone else.... clear your queries... so anyone any new questions to post....will pm u about the next question you asked.
@ navneet ya you are sure... My personal take is given below.... let me know... if I am wrong....even though the answer does not match the source.. Do you have TIME LFCU question.....English is not funny I feel its crazy language and specially to engg...
My personal take on that question was d)JIFFI
How?
I only looked at
As the custodian of a revered national sport, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record. -Judgement as this is an opinion and it change according to individual.
Then I looked at
There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor as Fact as one can verify if the are few facilities or not and
then next sentence which is This week, the national team—representing a billion-plus Indians—suffered a series defeat to Australia (population: 20m). and for sure fact.
Looking at the options i too feel d should be the answer.

But lets take all the sentences 1 by 1 without thinking of options. Then my ans wud be..


As the custodian of a revered national sport, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record. -

custodian of the sport is a fact for me and as custodian there performance is poor.So overall a conclusion drawn.Hence Inference

If the custodian part was not there and sentence was the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record it should have been a fact.

There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor

simply verifiable fact.

India's domestic competitions are ignored.

simply verifiable fact. but the options had only i/j

if this is taken as inference than the preceding statement :There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor becomes Inference with same self assumed fact the question setter is thinking.

This week, the national team—representing a billion-plus Indians—suffered a series defeat to Australia (population: 20m). and for sure fact.

But when it comes to making money, the BCCI, which claims a monopoly on cricket in India, does much better

the BCCI, which claims a monopoly on cricket is a fact that can be verified and taking that into account it is doing bad.
so inference

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Re: Fact, Inference, Judgement For CAT 2008 - 22-08-2008, 05:09 PM

Hi Siddharth,

How ru? I have a few doubts on your post below.
Could you please help me understand...

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Hi Puys,

Try following set:
  1. The recent ban on playing music while driving will result in a reduction in the number of accidents on roads.
  2. Every enrolment in an Educational institute is a point of contact with the customer and such contacts have the potential to generate further enrolments.
  3. Given the abysmal state of affairs in some public hospitals, the doctor there should either seek employment in private hospitals or go abroad.
  4. It is really paradoxical that some places which experience heavy rainfall also experience severe shortage of water.
  5. Thefindings of this study indicate that established guidelines and procedures are not being followed with regard to the development, administration and management of distance education programmes.
All the Best...


1) INFERENCE: Here we can divide the statement into two parts. The first part says that playing music is banned while driving. The second part says that road accidents will reduce. Now we can clearly see that statement two which is a judgment is directly dependent on the first statement which in turn is a fact. So as a whole this statement is an INFERENCE.

2) FACT: Here too the statement can be divided into two parts. The first says that enrollment is a point of contact with the customer i.e with the parents of the child which is an obvious true statement. The second part which you should keep in mind is that it is adjoin with the first statement and is not the conclusion or some inference drawn from it. In the second statement what it says is that like other business if a customer is satisfied with the service of someone i.e. shop/org etc... then they recommend it so in other words if school have some satisfied parents with their school/institute then through them they can have more children in their school. So this is true that "...the potential to generate further enrollments." Hence this whole statement is a FACT I think.

3) INFERENCE: At first instance I was going as a judgement for this statement, but I moved to inference for this, since the speaker has drawn his conclusion on the basis of the state of affairs which he is seeing at present of the public hospitals.

4) FACT: Yeah situation like this where in spite of heavy rainfall, shortage of water is an issue can be or should be termed as a paradoxical situation. So this is a FACT in this case.

5) INFERENCE: In this statement the word that should be kept note of is " indicate". The studies just indicate, they are not the conclusion that is drawn. So indication means that you have some facts or data beside you and you draw some judgment from it. Hence it will be termed as an INFERENCE.

Well it might be too long reasoning for some but I was not able to shorten it . Also questions like this without any options are a great execrsice for eevryone since I think due to this one's reasoning power will be stronger in FIJ questions. Therefore I request you all to post questions without giving any options which will helo each one of us. Hope everyone agrees with it.



Regards,
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My questions:

1. Every enrolment in an Educational institute is a point of contact with the customer and such contacts have the potential to generate further enrolments.

This sentence looks like a judgement to me. Why?
a). Every enrolment in an educational institute is a point of contact with the customer (fact)
b). such contacts have the potential to generate further enrollments (judgement) I feel it as judgement because you are judging the potential of such contacts...please correct my understanding..

2. 3.some people join religious groups to find spiritual salvation.

Again i think this is judgement, because people might join for several reasons but what u think is that they join for spiritual salvation. This is ur opinion or judegement.


Please let me know ur views on the above

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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 23-08-2008, 11:06 AM

hey Puys...

The same question was posted by Srikar on VA thread. See the link where he has posted the answer:
http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/englis...008-a-142.html (VA Guide for CAT 2008)

You can see the discussion that happened for this question. That will clear many doubts and give different views by different people.

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Re: Answer:pooja-FIJ-20/08/2008-pg43 - 24-08-2008, 10:22 PM

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@masoom
so wait till someone else.... clear your queries... so anyone any new questions to post....will pm u about the next question you asked.
@ navneet ya you are sure... My personal take is given below.... let me know... if I am wrong....even though the answer does not match the source.. Do you have TIME LFCU question.....English is not funny I feel its crazy language and specially to engg...
My personal take on that question was d)JIFFI
How?
I only looked at
As the custodian of a revered national sport, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has a poor record. -Judgement as this is an opinion and it change according to individual.
Then I looked at
There are few facilities for the millions of cricket-mad poor as Fact as one can verify if the are few facilities or not and
then next sentence which is This week, the national team—representing a billion-plus Indians—suffered a series defeat to Australia (population: 20m). and for sure fact.
After a long hiatus I am posting in this thread and that too for this great question...(Thanks Pooja!!!)
In FIJ questions I think it is equally important to give attention to what is not explicitly mentioned...Its really very contentious...
One of the tragedies is " where the fact is not mentioned and something is inferred based on that invisible fact, finally making the statement an Inference. And in some cases dont assume and in others,unrelated inference is drawn from the fact..making it a judgement

"Familiarity breeds awareness" is an inference...

Theabove sentence is similar to "India's domestic competitions are ignored."

In E, the tone of the sentence indicates that it is an inference...

I am still thinking about " C being an inference"..

If we practice more, the accuracy will be higher..

Well... this is where the hardwork takes an edge over intelligence..
@Pooja....Looking at my post ,the above sentence is a far fetched conclusion ( F in LCFI)....I got 3/3 right...Please go through them ..They are easy ones to get right...

Thanks..n keep posting..such questions..


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