[rocha]

Originally Posted by ariesnitin

->Good students like you and he should study regularly.
->Between you and I,the secretary is not a gentleman.

Are these correct??If not,please explain !!!

In my opinion , the first sentence should be
->Good students like you and him should study regularly.
Thats because suppose i remove you from it then the sentence would become ->Good students like he should study regularly.... Does that sound correct ? Shouldnt it be ->Good students like him should study regularly. In that context it should be "lik you and him"

The second one is correct. It should be "you and I" . See many a times we make a mistake sayin "Arjun and me went to the market" or "Me and my friend had gone for a movie yesterday."
Its always someone and I .To clear the confusion just remove one of the persons ( the one you sure about) Like above in the first sentence , remove "you" and in the second one remove "you" again . For second it would be - I being the secretary am not a gentleman

I hope m makin sense..

[Varun Khullar]

Originally Posted by rocha

In my opinion , the first sentence should be
->Good students like you and him should study regularly.
Thats because suppose i remove you from it then the sentence would become ->Good students like he should study regularly.... Does that sound correct ? Shouldnt it be ->Good students like him should study regularly. In that context it should be "lik you and him"

The second one is correct. It should be "you and I" . See many a times we make a mistake sayin "Arjun and me went to the market" or "Me and my friend had gone for a movie yesterday."
Its always someone and I .To clear the confusion just remove one of the persons ( the one you sure about) Like above in the first sentence , remove "you" and in the second one remove "you" again . For second it would be - I being the secretary am not a gentleman

I hope m makin sense..

“Between you and me” is preferred in standard English.
“The first person singular pronoun is ‘I’ when it’s a subject and ‘me’ when it’s an object,”Let’s see if we can apply some common sense here. The misuse of “I” and “myself” for “me” is caused by nervousness about “me.” Educated people know that “Jim and me are goin’ down to slop the hogs,” is not elegant speech, not “correct.” It should be “Jim and I” because if I were slopping the hogs alone I would never say “Me is going. . . .” If you refer to yourself first, the same rule applies: It’s not “Me and Jim are going” but “I and Jim are going.”
So far so good. But the notion that there is something wrong with “me” leads people to overcorrect and avoid it where it is perfectly appropriate. People will say “The document had to be signed by both Susan and I” when the correct statement would be, “The document had to be signed by both Susan and me.” Trying even harder to avoid the lowly “me,” many people will substitute “myself,” as in “The suspect uttered epithets at Officer O’Leary and myself.”

“Myself” is no better than “I” as an object. “Myself” is not a sort of all-purpose intensive form of “me” or “I.” Use “myself” only when you have used “I” earlier in the same sentence: “I am not particularly fond of goat cheese myself.” “I kept half the loot for myself.” All this confusion can easily be avoided if you just remove the second party from the sentences where you feel tempted to use “myself” as an object or feel nervous about “me.” You wouldn’t say, “The IRS sent the refund check to I,” so you shouldn’t say “The IRS sent the refund check to my wife and I” either. And you shouldn’t say “to my wife and myself.” The only correct way to say this is, “The IRS sent the refund check to my wife and me.” Still sounds too casual? Get over it.

On a related point, those who continue to announce “It is I” have traditional grammatical correctness on their side, but they are vastly outnumbered by those who proudly boast “it’s me!” There’s not much that can be done about this now. Similarly, if a caller asks for Susan and Susan answers “This is she,” her somewhat antiquated correctness is likely to startle the questioner into confusion.

[Varun Khullar]

Originally Posted by jaymz_hamett

Hey varun, i was wondering if its possible for u to provide some examples for the idioms u posted.

it'll help to understand the usage better

examples of idioms .. give me an hour.

[Varun Khullar]

What is so different about these idioms is that there is no hard and fast rule for them.
we will try to solve these questions based on idioms.

9. Astronomers at the Palomar Observatory have discovered a distant supernova explosion, one that they believe is a type previously unknown to science.
(A) that they believe is
(B) that they believe it to be
(C) they believe that it is of
(D) they believe that is
(E) they believe to be of

13. State officials report that soaring rates of liability insurance have risen to force cutbacks in the operations of everything from local governments and school districts to day-care centers and recreational facilities.
(A) rates of liability insurance have risen to force
(B) rates of liability insurance are a force for
(C) rates for liability insurance are forcing
(D) rises in liability insurance rates are forcing
(E) liability insurance rates have risen to force

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21. Defense attorneys have occasionally argued that their clients' misconduct stemmed from a reaction to something ingested, but in attributing criminal or delinquent behavior to some food allergy, the perpetrators are in effect told that they are not responsible for their actions.
(A) in attributing criminal or delinquent behavior to some food allergy
(B) if criminal or delinquent behavior is attributed to an allergy to some food
(C) in attributing behavior that is criminal or delinquent to an allergy to some food
(D) if some food allergy is attributed as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior
(E) in attributing a food allergy as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior


58. William H. Johnson's artistic debt to Scandinavia is evident in paintings that range from sensitive portraits of citizens in his wife's Danish home, Kerteminde, and awe-inspiring views of fjords and mountain peaks in the western and northern regions of Norway.
(A) and
(B) to
(C) and to
(D) with
(E) in addition to

63. Health officials estimate that 35 million Africans are in danger of contracting trypanosomiasis, or "African sleeping sickness," a parasitic disease spread by the bites of tsetse flies.
(A) are in danger of contracting
(B) are in danger to contract
(C) have a danger of contracting
(D) are endangered by contraction
(E) have a danger that they will contract


65. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.

(A) to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if
(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if
(C) as being an integral part of the criminal justice system and question whether
(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question Whether
(E) are an integral part of the criminal justice system, and they question whether


67. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for
sick or newbom children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and


100. Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, and Minnesota have
begun to enforce statewide bans prohibiting landfills to accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings.
(A) prohibiting landfills to accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings
(B) prohibiting that landfills accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings
(C) prohibiting landfills from accepting leaves, brush, and grass clippings
(D) that leaves, brush, and grass clippings cannot be accepted in landfills
(E) that landfills cannot accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings

105. An inventory equal to 90 days sales is as much as even the strongest businesses carry, and then only as a
way to anticipate higher prices or ensure against shortages.
(A) as much as even
(B) so much as even
(C) even so much as
(D) even as much that
(E) even so much that

111. Egyptians are credited as having pioneered embalming methods as long ago as 2650 B.C.
(A) as having
(B) with having
(C) to have
(D) as the ones who
(E) for being the ones who


117. A firm that specializes in the analysis of handwriting claims from a one-page writing sample that it can assess more than three hundred personality traits, including enthusiasm, imagination, and ambition.

(A) from a one-page writing sample that it can assess.
(B) from a one-page writing sample it has the ability of assessing
(C) the ability, from a one-page writing sample, of assessing
(D) to be able, from a one-page writing sample, to assess
(E) being able to assess, from a one-page writing sample,


121. The concept of the grand jury dates from the twelfth -century, when Henry II of England ordered panels of common citizens should prepare lists of who were their communities' suspected criminals.
(A) should prepare lists of who were their communities' suspected criminals
(B) would do the preparation of lists of their communities' suspected criminals
(C) preparing lists of suspected criminals in their communities
(D) the preparing of a list of suspected criminals in their communities
(E) to prepare lists of suspected criminals in their communities


138. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely
or show just cause for dismissal.
(A) that employers should retain all older workers
(B) that all older workers be retained by employers
(C) the retaining by employers of all older workers
(D) employers' retention of all older workers
(E) employers to retain all older workers

150. In the mid-1960's a newly installed radar warning system mistook the rising of the moon as a massive missile attack by the Soviets.

(A) rising of the moon as a massive missile attack by the Soviets
(B) rising of the moon for a massive Soviet missile attack
(C) moon rising to a massive missile attack by the Soviets
(D) moon as it was rising for a massive Soviet missile attack
(E) rise of the moon as a massive Soviet missile attack


177. So poorly educated and trained are many young recruits to the United States work force that many business executives fear this country will lose its economic preeminence.
(A) So poorly educated and trained are many young recruits to the United States work force that
(B) As poorly educated and trained as many young recruits to the United States work force are,
(C) Because of many young recruits to the United States work force who are so poorly educated and
trained,
(D) That many young recruits to the United States work force are so poorly educated and trained is why
(E) Many young recruits to the United States work force who are so poorly educated and trained explains why

182. Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them
can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be
(B) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products being
(C) A consumer may not think of their household cleaning products being
(D) A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as
(E) Household cleaning products may not be thought of, by consumers, as

216. Many policy experts say that shifting a portion of health-benefit costs back to the workers helps to control the employer's costs, but also helps to limit medical spending by making patients more careful consumers.
(A) helps to control the employer's costs, but also helps
(B) helps the control of the employer's costs, and also
(C) not only helps to control the employer's costs, but also helps
(D) helps to control not only the employer's costs, but
(E) not only helps to control the employer's costs, and also helps

217. The plot of The Bostonians centers on the rivalry between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, with her charming and cynical cousin. Basil Ransom, when they find themselves drawn to the same radiant young
woman whose talent for public speaking has won her an ardent following.
(A) rivalry between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, with her charming and cynical cousin, Basil
Ransom
(B) rivals Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, against her charming and cynical cousin, Basil Ransom
(C) rivalry that develops between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, and Basil Ransom, her charming
and cynical cousin
(D) developing rivalry between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, with Basil Ransom, her charming and
cynical cousin
(E) active feminist. Olive Chancellor, and the rivalry with her charming and cynical cousin Basil Ransom

218. Despite protests from some waste-disposal companies, state health officials have ordered the levels of bacteria in seawater at popular beaches to be measured and that the results be published.
(A) the levels of bacteria in seawater at popular beaches to be measured and that the results be
(B) that seawater at popular beaches should be measured for their levels of bacteria, with the results being
(C) the measure of levels of bacteria in seawater at popular beaches and the results to be
(D) seawater measured at popular beaches for levels of bacteria, with their results
(E) that the levels of bacteria in seawater at popular beaches be measured and the results

226. Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.
(A) with having had
(B) for its having
(C) to have had
(D) for having
(E) in that it had

241. As well as heat and light, the Sun is the source of a continuous stream of atomic particles known as the
solar wind.
(A) As well as heat and light, the Sun is the source of a continuous stream
(B) Besides heat and light, also the Sun is the source of a continuous stream
(C) Besides heat and light, the Sun is also the source of a continuous streaming
(D) The Sun is the source not only of heat and light, but also of a continuous stream
(E) The Sun is the source of not only heat and light but, as well, of a continuous streaming

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263. In A.D. 391. resulting from the destruction of the largest library of the ancient world at Alexandria, later generations lost all but the lliad and Odyssey among Greek epics, most of the poetry of Pindar and Sappho,
and dozens of plays by Aeschylus and Euripides.
(A) resulting from the destruction of the largest library of the ancient world at Alexandria,
(B) the destroying of the largest library of the ancient world at Alexandria resulted and
(C) because of the result of the destruction of the library at Alexandria, the largest of the ancient world,
(D) as a result of the destruction of the library at Alexandria, the largest of the ancient world,
(E) Alexandria's largest library of the ancient world was destroyed, and the result was


References: Manhattan SC .
10th Official Guide for GMAT.

[medulla]

My take:

9. Astronomers at the Palomar Observatory have discovered a distant supernova explosion, one that they believe is a type previously unknown to science.

(B) that they believe it to be

13. State officials report that soaring rates of liability insurance have risen to force cutbacks in the operations of everything from local governments and school districts to day-care centers and recreational facilities.

(E) liability insurance rates have risen to force

109
21. Defense attorneys have occasionally argued that their clients' misconduct stemmed from a reaction to something ingested, but in attributing criminal or delinquent behavior to some food allergy, the perpetrators are in effect told that they are not responsible for their actions.

(D) if some food allergy is attributed as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior

58. William H. Johnson's artistic debt to Scandinavia is evident in paintings that range from sensitive portraits of citizens in his wife's Danish home, Kerteminde, and awe-inspiring views of fjords and mountain peaks in the western and northern regions of Norway.

(B) to

63. Health officials estimate that 35 million Africans are in danger of contracting trypanosomiasis, or "African sleeping sickness," a parasitic disease spread by the bites of tsetse flies.
(A) are in danger of contracting


65. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.


(B) as an integral part of the criminal justice system and they question if


67. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for
sick or newbom children.

(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to

100. Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, and Minnesota have
begun to enforce statewide bans prohibiting landfills to accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings.
(A) prohibiting landfills to accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings

105. An inventory equal to 90 days sales is as much as even the strongest businesses carry, and then only as a
way to anticipate higher prices or ensure against shortages.
(A) as much as even


111. Egyptians are credited as having pioneered embalming methods as long ago as 2650 B.C.

(D) as the ones who

117. A firm that specializes in the analysis of handwriting claims from a one-page writing sample that it can assess more than three hundred personality traits, including enthusiasm, imagination, and ambition.

(E) being able to assess, from a one-page writing sample,


121. The concept of the grand jury dates from the twelfth -century, when Henry II of England ordered panels of common citizens should prepare lists of who were their communities' suspected criminals.

(E) to prepare lists of suspected criminals in their communities


138. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely
or show just cause for dismissal.

(E) employers to retain all older workers

150. In the mid-1960's a newly installed radar warning system mistook the rising of the moon as a massive missile attack by the Soviets.

(B) rising of the moon for a massive Soviet missile attack


177. So poorly educated and trained are many young recruits to the United States work force that many business
executives fear this country will lose its economic preeminence.

(E) Many young recruits to the United States work force who are so poorly educated and trained explains why

182. Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them
can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be

216. Many policy experts say that shifting a portion of health-benefit costs back to the workers helps to control
the employer's costs, but also helps to limit medical spending by making patients more careful consumers.

(C) not only helps to control the employer's costs, but also helps

217. The plot of The Bostonians centers on the rivalry between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, with her
charming and cynical cousin. Basil Ransom, when they find themselves drawn to the same radiant young
woman whose talent for public speaking has won her an ardent following.

(C) rivalry that develops between Olive Chancellor, an active feminist, and Basil Ransom, her charming
and cynical cousin


218. Despite protests from some waste-disposal companies, state health officials have ordered the levels of
bacteria in seawater at popular beaches to be measured and that the results be published.

(B) that seawater at popular beaches should be measured for their levels of bacteria, with the results being


226. Pablo Picasso, the late Spanish painter, credited African art with having had a strong influence on his work.

(D) for having


241. As well as heat and light, the Sun is the source of a continuous stream of atomic particles known as the
solar wind.

(C) Besides heat and light, the Sun is also the source of a continuous streaming

154
263. In A.D. 391. resulting from the destruction of the largest library of the ancient world at Alexandria, later
generations lost all but the lliad and Odyssey among Greek epics, most of the poetry of Pindar and Sappho,
and dozens of plays by Aeschylus and Euripides.

(C) because of the result of the destruction of the library at Alexandria, the largest of the ancient world,

[rocha]

Originally Posted by Varun Khullar

“Between you and me” is preferred in standard English.

So far so good. But the notion that there is something wrong with “me” leads people to overcorrect and avoid it where it is perfectly appropriate. People will say “The document had to be signed by both Susan and I” when the correct statement would be, “The document had to be signed by both Susan and me.” Trying even harder to avoid the lowly “me,” many people will substitute “myself,” as in “The suspect uttered epithets at Officer O’Leary and myself.”


On a related point, those who continue to announce “It is I” have traditional grammatical correctness on their side, but they are vastly outnumbered by those who proudly boast “it’s me!” There’s not much that can be done about this now. Similarly, if a caller asks for Susan and Susan answers “This is she,” her somewhat antiquated correctness is likely to startle the questioner into confusion.

Thanks for tht explanation.Just wanted to say something about the bold parts. The document had to be signed by .... Here if i remove Susan then the sentence would become "The document had to be signed by me." OR "The document had to be signed by I." Obviously the second one is incorrect. So me has to be used.
Similarly if a caller asks if Susan is there .. then one can reply "yes she is there" or "no, she is not there" or "here she is" .... so like tht it would be this is she.
What im tryin to say is that we cannot use the same sentence in the same scenario but by say removing a person and it works.I mean clears the confusion.
Obviously like uve shown there can be no curt rule.

[ankaj]

Originally Posted by Varun Khullar

What is so different about these idioms is that there is no hard and fast rule for them.
we will try to solve these questions based on idioms.

9. Astronomers at the Palomar Observatory have discovered a distant supernova explosion, one that they believe is a type previously unknown to science.
(D) they believe that is


13. State officials report that soaring rates of liability insurance have risen to force cutbacks in the operations of everything from local governments and school districts to day-care centers and recreational facilities.

(D) rises in liability insurance rates are forcing


109
21. Defense attorneys have occasionally argued that their clients' misconduct stemmed from a reaction to something ingested, but in attributing criminal or delinquent behavior to some food allergy, the perpetrators are in effect told that they are not responsible for their actions.

(D) if some food allergy is attributed as the cause of criminal or delinquent behavior


58. William H. Johnson's artistic debt to Scandinavia is evident in paintings that range from sensitive portraits of citizens in his wife's Danish home, Kerteminde, and awe-inspiring views of fjords and mountain peaks in the western and northern regions of Norway.
(B) to


63. Health officials estimate that 35 million Africans are in danger of contracting trypanosomiasis, or "African sleeping sickness," a parasitic disease spread by the bites of tsetse flies.
(A) are in danger of contracting


65. Critics of the trend toward privately operated prisons consider corrections facilities to be an integral part of the criminal justice system and question if profits should be made from incarceration.

(D) an integral part of the criminal justice system and question Whether



67. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for
sick or newbom children.
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can


100. Wisconsin, Illinois, Florida, and Minnesota have
begun to enforce statewide bans prohibiting landfills to accept leaves, brush, and grass clippings.

(C) prohibiting landfills from accepting leaves, brush, and grass clippings


105. An inventory equal to 90 days sales is as much as even the strongest businesses carry, and then only as a
way to anticipate higher prices or ensure against shortages.
(A) as much as even
(B) so much as even
(C) even so much as
(D) even as much that
(E) even so much that

111. Egyptians are credited as having pioneered embalming methods as long ago as 2650 B.C.

(D) as the ones who



117. A firm that specializes in the analysis of handwriting claims from a one-page writing sample that it can assess more than three hundred personality traits, including enthusiasm, imagination, and ambition.

(C) the ability, from a one-page writing sample, of assessing


121. The concept of the grand jury dates from the twelfth -century, when Henry II of England ordered panels of common citizens should prepare lists of who were their communities' suspected criminals.

(E) to prepare lists of suspected criminals in their communities


138. Senator Lasker has proposed legislation requiring that employers should retain all older workers indefinitely
or show just cause for dismissal.

(E) employers to retain all older workers

150. In the mid-1960's a newly installed radar warning system mistook the rising of the moon as a massive missile attack by the Soviets.

(A) rising of the moon as a massive missile attack by the Soviets



177. So poorly educated and trained are many young recruits to the United States work force that many business executives fear this country will lose its economic preeminence.

(C) Because of many young recruits to the United States work force who are so poorly educated and
trained,


182. Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be hazardous substances, but many of them
can be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.
(A) Consumers may not think of household cleaning products to be

others to come....

[shivam_01]

my take on varuns questions

9- C
13 - E
21 - B
58 - C
63 - B
65 - C
67 - D
100- C
105 - A
111- B
117 - E
121 -E
138 - E
150 - E
177- A
182 - D
216 - C
217 - D
218 - B
226 - D
241 - C
263 - E

Hoping to atleast 70% correct

[kewl.bantee]

My attempts
9.B
13.C
21.D
58.B
63.C
65.D
67.D
100.C
105.C
111.C
117.C
121.E
138.D
150.E
177.D
182.1
216.C
217.C
218.B
226.D
241.C
263.D

[anujkabra85]

Hi,

Does some 1 have the Manhattan sentence correction e copy?