The TIMES OF INDIA "TOI" Editorial

[td31]

Originally Posted by medulla

hey...
can you send me the link. I can find e-paper of Hindu but cannot locate editorial...
Thanks

Hey
The link for the E-paper is

The Hindu : Front Page News : Wednesday, May 21, 2008

To go to the Editorial section , click on Opinion which will be there on the left

[td31]

Hi

Posting a new editorial link

Arrest the Slide-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

Also, Posting a summary below

The article talks about the slip up in India`s position in Global competitiveness Index from 27th in world in 2007 to 29th now
This is evidence for the fact that India has not done much to improve its competitiveness index. it also points out the lack of Infrastructure as the main reason for India`s downfall
Also, Primary education in India is a major reason
Govt of India is not able to create infrastructure to keep pace with the growth, Standards of primary education are not upto Global standards,
Red tapism and bureaucracy are big hurdles still

The steps outlined for India are to improve deregulation,tax cuts and better labour laws
Overall India needs to improve on a lot of key aspects if it is to improve its ranking


What do you guys feel
What are the aspects India should pay more attention to improve its ranking?

[medulla]

Hi everyone,

Thanks td1 for keeping the thread alive...

It is a nice article and might work as an eye opener for India.
The institute defines competitiveness as “the policies and conditions that ensure and sustain a higher level of per capita income and its continued growth.” The report assigns 37 variables to eight categories – government and fiscal policy, security, infrastructure, human resources, technology, business incubation, openness, and environmental policy – and combines these eight measures into a single “competitiveness index.”

So if we see it actually touches all important aspects in the growth of the nation. If we consider each measure India lags behind other countries. India is facing inflation and many times the fiscal policies do not help as expected. Terrorist attacks have reached smaller cities like Nagpur and Jaipur. Infrastructure is not good in cities as well as villages. We have developed good IT business but still do not have good business in many other important areas including medicines. We still have to develop good training and educational centers.

If we try to look at individual area we actually see why our rank has gone down.

Who is responsible for the slide? How do we improve the condition?What should be our role in it?

[medulla]

Hi people,

Have a look at this article. A real controversial issue. I discussed it with some of my friends and everyone had different opinion.
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: Eat and Throw-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

It starts with a sentence " Trust Indians to be hypersensitive to criticism from a firang". The passage says we basically should not bother what others say about us. It gives example of US, China or Russia.

But can really Indians behave like US citizens? India is neither a developed country nor ruled by communists like china. People have different mentality in India. WE cannot just compare what US does and what we do not do. The reaction to the criticism earmarks our unity and love for nation. We are still not that open to accept any criticism from strangers who know nothing about India and Indian culture. From the school we have sung a song
"Humsein jo takarayega wo mitti mein mil jayega"...


What all of you think?
Can anyone explain what does exactly last para say? I have not understood what author really wants to convey from it.

[saumynavit1]

Originally Posted by medulla

Hi people,

Have a look at this article. A real controversial issue. I discussed it with some of my friends and everyone had different opinion.
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: Eat and Throw-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

It starts with a sentence " Trust Indians to be hypersensitive to criticism from a firang". The passage says we basically should not bother what others say about us. It gives example of US, China or Russia.

But can really Indians behave like US citizens? India is neither a developed country nor ruled by communists like china. People have different mentality in India. WE cannot just compare what US does and what we do not do. The reaction to the criticism earmarks our unity and love for nation. We are still not that open to accept any criticism from strangers who know nothing about India and Indian culture. From the school we have sung a song
"Humsein jo takarayega wo mitti mein mil jayega"...


What all of you think?
Can anyone explain what does exactly last para say? I have not understood what author really wants to convey from it.

As far as I understood author just wants to prove the point that " that we have no need to seek approval from other countries for what we do but believe that what we are doing is right" . As u yourself said " Humsein jo takarayega wo mitti mein mil jayega"... so why seek approval example of us and china is to show how they do that
e.g when entire world knew about fact about wmds in Iraq America attacked it also when no wmds were found they still justified it.
In the last para the author takes his logic further. Americans are saying that our bread loaf is reason of spiralling food prices than we should eat even more rice and proceed to eating cake and even flaunt it in there face by throwing some of it i.e. we r doing something we think is right ,others(firang) oppose it,let they go to hell we r now going to that on a grandier scale.
I dont think he is saying that we shuld be modest in taking others critisism,rather we should not care at all
As far as my views I believe that author is correct but we have to be satisfied in ourselves that what we r doing is correct. Critisism from other sometimes may have some valid point and ignoring it completely might prove wrong.
man is evolved so that many times it finds individuality in collectivism and when someone critisize u retaliation is natural reaction hence it becomes necessery to know that who is critising and why. completely ignoring might seem a good idea in case when nation is the group but what about when group is community group or religion or cast family or even ourself ?
We r actally getting hypersencitive in nature. smallest of things offend us ( even when very conncted to our group) be it the case of cheerleaers,jodha akhbar etc . so we critisize and others retaliate. we should learn to appriciate other groups and be tollerant and other should see to take critisism,check whether it has some validity otherwise throw it into dustbin we should not unnecessery worry bout what other think about us.

[medulla]

Originally Posted by saumynavit1

As far as I understood author just wants to prove the point that " that we have no need to seek approval from other countries for what we do but believe that what we are doing is right" . As u yourself said " Humsein jo takarayega wo mitti mein mil jayega"... so why seek approval example of us and china is to show how they do that
e.g when entire world knew about fact about wmds in Iraq America attacked it also when no wmds were found they still justified it.
In the last para the author takes his logic further. Americans are saying that our bread loaf is reason of spiralling food prices than we should eat even more rice and proceed to eating cake and even flaunt it in there face by throwing some of it i.e. we r doing something we think is right ,others(firang) oppose it,let they go to hell we r now going to that on a grandier scale.
I dont think he is saying that we shuld be modest in taking others critisism,rather we should not care at all
As far as my views I believe that author is correct but we have to be satisfied in ourselves that what we r doing is correct. Critisism from other sometimes may have some valid point and ignoring it completely might prove wrong.
man is evolved so that many times it finds individuality in collectivism and when someone critisize u retaliation is natural reaction hence it becomes necessery to know that who is critising and why. completely ignoring might seem a good idea in case when nation is the group but what about when group is community group or religion or cast family or even ourself ?
We r actally getting hypersencitive in nature. smallest of things offend us ( even when very conncted to our group) be it the case of cheerleaers,jodha akhbar etc . so we critisize and others retaliate. we should learn to appriciate other groups and be tollerant and other should see to take critisism,check whether it has some validity otherwise throw it into dustbin we should not unnecessery worry bout what other think about us.

Yes it is true that we take all comments personally. It really does not matter whether we are in a group or alone. The response is the same. If we consider cheerleaders case, people argued that it is not Indian culture. Society opposed M.F. Hussain for the his painting on Hindu goddesses. We arrest a person who kisses an actress on the stage in an unacceptable manner.

Why are we so hypersensitive? Is it the insecurity? Or is it to prove our identity? Or is it a pressure from the society? Is it because we are not liberal or open minded? How can we really take criticism in a positive way? And in which areas?

[saumynavit1]

Originally Posted by medulla

Yes it is true that we take all comments personally. It really does not matter whether we are in a group or alone. The response is the same. If we consider cheerleaders case, people argued that it is not Indian culture. Society opposed M.F. Hussain for the his painting on Hindu goddesses. We arrest a person who kisses an actress on the stage in an unacceptable manner.

Why are we so hypersensitive? Is it the insecurity? Or is it to prove our identity? Or is it a pressure from the society? Is it because we are not liberal or open minded? How can we really take criticism in a positive way? And in which areas?

well there is human nature to believe that I am always right and others who have different views are wrong .also one does seek approval of others(hAS it ever happened to u that u liked a movie and wished that it must be a hit).This has been fuled by our leaders to a great extent of course in name of equality but actually for vote bank( remember da vinci code,book was allowed and movie based on it was banned even though it was allowed in western country why?obviously showing secularist instincts to people as if they r fools ) why hypersensitive let us talk in our own respect
the thing may be answered using all points u mentioned.
high competition brings insecurity if if there is slightest lack in self confidence. how? look in india almost every other engineer is opting for IT irespective he/she likes it or not. It happens because there is a sound infrastructure for IT so companies can impart quality training so high demand and more jobs. our own education system does not exctly equips us with required tools. imagine say ec engineer middle in class develops an interest in ec even though university has done enough to thwart him. now he is not a topper what should he do? try outside for training and job ? that would account to wasting time at home and society pressure would not let him do so. he may except IT job but can never be as good as some other person who was highly motivated and what happens... a void in him filled with insecurity because most probably his collegues would be doing better .it may amount to losing selfconfidence hence identity. so this person becomes hypersensitive and starts seeking identity everywhere except the right place.
talking about one can take critisism positively only when one knows from inside that what one is doing is correct( not that thing is correct because he/she is doing it)when we have ensured to ur own satisfaction our correctness and even saw if critisism has broght some weaker link which did not came to our attention then it would possible not to get to sentimental about critisism




well sorry for wrong and boring reply

[dipen01]

I am sorry to go offtrack but do we need to Pay for accessing the Hindu Epaper ?

Or there is another way for it ?

[medulla]

Originally Posted by dipen01

I am sorry to go offtrack but do we need to Pay for accessing the Hindu Epaper ?

Or there is another way for it ?

Hi,

You need not pay for Hindu Epaper. Go to The Hindu : Front Page News : Friday, May 23, 2008 and go to options ( a link on left hand side)

[medulla]

Hi Puys,

Let's discuss today's article in TOI. It is about the recent visit of Pranab Mukharjee to Pakistan.

You can find the article at following URL:

TODAY'S ARTICLE: Good Vibes-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India

The article says that the recent visit to Pakistan by Pranab Mukharjee is a good indication. There were few agrrements done with the newly established civilian government to increase the frequency of Muzaffarabad-Srinagar and Rawalkot-Poonch bus services, to grant expanded visa and consular access and trade more across LoC.

This step was considered as good reconciliation by Pakistan foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Quereshi. Author says, biggest barrier between India and Pakistan is the mistrust. Author says let's start trade and business between India and Pakistan. Once it is institutionalised, it will become much easire to resolve Kashmir issue.

What do you think Puys?
Is the increase in talk and trade can bring out innovative solutions to solve the Kashmir issue?
Or are we inviting more terrorists by increasing number of buses and trains ? Islamabad has signed peace agreement with Taliban? Will it give freedom to Jehadi's?

Pour in your thoughts!!!!