[j0]

This thread is just a feeler being put out to gauge the kind of stands the numerous people here on PG have as far as politics and the general social climate goes.
If you do take the trouble to answer this little questionnaire below sincerely, we'll be in a better position to ascertain whether we can mobilise a critical mass of people needed to start an active polito-social group in the near future.
So please take some time out if you can and fill up the questionnaire :smile:

I basically want people to post intelligently on:

1)Your thoughts on the present political scenario?

2)What you consider to be the bane of it all?

3) The simple solutions for purportedly huge problems?

4) What you would actually do on a personal level to make things better?

5) Your feelings on activism...have you been part of anything?
What length would you go to?

6) Do make mention of anything that you might think relevant - Causes that need backing, situations that need attention - anything that holds your heart.


If you guys could be kind enough to answer a few of these questions, then we - that is the few amongst us who want to make a change and are willing to go the distance - will really appreciate it.
If you can't take the time out to type it out in detail...
"Just take the Poll above this Post."

I'll tell you one thing and I'll be honest. When that PG poll on the Tsunami came up, I polled that I didn't see myself doing anything to help.

Now I've reached a point where I'm ready to do any damned thing with a sense of purpose to it.

If there is some sense to your angst, and some maturity towards how you want to address it, rest assured we will make something huge out of this.
Till then check the cynicism at the door and keep posting.

Johan


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Edit : 9th August, 2005

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate all the people who have taken some time out and contributed to this thread.

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[dream_manager]

hi all pagals,

Originally Posted by estranged_gnrs

hmm..i like that.i like the spirit of rebel in you.
but my dear friend,have u ever actively taken part in politics,say even at college level? i guess u must be in ur early 20s now.Can u tell me some of ur experiences when u have done anythign political? talked to the mob,convinced them about ur ideas? and what happened ,did u win or u loose?
You are talking about activism,if u r free nowadays,try to have this experience.Go to any Govt. office and file a request for information on any of their project.By law,they are bound to give you that but i want you to go through it and post ur experince there.
Answer my questions,and then we will continue the discussion.

Rohit

i had man....:whatthat:
but as there was not a huge supportores behind me i could not come out in flying colors...
also our college was a private one, so mobism n fundas like that...
just u need to win their hearts...
but still i was behind the winning college president to help out certain issues which studnts really needed...
like the improvements in sporting ...etc...
but i had nt faced any angry mod but a vengy profs who always wanted others to say yes alone....

ya man...govt fellas are too bad...i totaly agree rohit bahi...
"bhagwan be aaye to ooh be KUCH daena hein desk ke neeche...."

thats wat we need to change...
in one film "INDIAn" (shankar's direction) at climax he has a dialogue..

"in foreign countries there is correption ..but to do things that is done apart frm a servants duty....
but here to do a duty we need to pay them...."

once me n my friends went to get licence thru proper channel....all of us were rejected ...
my friends then caught hold of a driving school vala...n they got them the next day...
but i waited for my chance till it s thru w/o a penny...
though i raised voice it was of little use only..
if all of my frnds would have stayed thru they would have also got it n a straight way...

one solution that i think is right from child hood the political sense must have to be instilled...children must cud chew politics stage by stage and must give a fresh clean one..so its n the hands of youth ....
wat u say....

reagards,
DM

[estranged_gnrs]

1)What they think about the present political scenario?

The present political scenario is a miracle.We must remember,politicians are not aliens.They come from amongst us.They are our reflection.
We should go for 2-party rule which will automatically remove many of the anomalies in the poltical system.

2)What they see to be the bane of it?

Illieracy and literacy.Uneducated are too much naive to break the caste an dother barriers and educated don't go beyond drawing room discussions.
3) what they would personally do(not hava mein), ?

4) the simple solutions for purportedly huge problems?

awareness,speaking for our rights and use the intelluctual power beyond earning huge salaries and their careers.

5) Your feelings on activism...have you been part of anything? What length would you go to?

Voice should be raised.but the biggest deterrent factor is "chalta hai " attitude.
Been through a lot on both sides of activism.learnt some lessons.Its easy to talk about,but its thousand times difficult to implement a fight.
Length,i would go to? lets see what is at stake.


6) Anything you might think that is relevant...causes that need backing, situations that need to be looked into, anything that holds your heart.

i>protesting against corruption at the grass root level.
ii> child labour
iii> exposing the malpractises in govt. offices.

there are more,but will come later.

[pr_ab]

will reply later. replied in full but some problem ocurred and post was rejected. writing this to keep track of this thread.

priyadarshi

[j0]

Thank you Rohit for being the first to answer that lil questionaire,it's great to have some interest on posting in a thread that might be relevant to all of us.
I hope Pra_ab will not take too long in posting and contribute generously.

[EuPhOrIa]

1)What they think about the present political scenario?

I am happier bout being into present politics then the politics of the past since the present one is corrupt with development compared to the one of the past with Only Corruption. We do have few gud politician but either they are not in power or they are in pseudo-power.

2)What they see to be the bane of it?

jo, as I mantained in our conversation, I would reiterate Education, Education.

3) what they would personally do(not hava mein)?

In the system like Indian Politics, they actually can't do anything overnight...they must start with a small initiative of uniting ppl with same agneda n focus for the betterment of Indian Politics. They should set small small goals like educating voters and improving system at local level and they can hope to rise to the level where they are actually so powerful that they can bring in revolution.

4) the simple solutions for purportedly huge problems?

I can recall the bill passed for the right to Information. Similar kind of system shold be formed wherein hoi polloi shold have capability to raise their voice and it shold be heard, and heard for execution. (The cartel I talked bout in previous question will see it executing till the outcome.)


5) Your feelings on activism...have you been part of anything? What length would you go to?

Well, I have few preferences bout the things to do in lifetime. First thing and the last thing in the list appear is This Activism and the rest have something to do with these two only. Length to which i can go is for the ppl to judge posthumous!!

6) Anything you might think that is relevant...causes that need backing, situations that need to be looked into, anything that holds your heart.

1. Few educated and powerful ppl who has zeal n zest for the betterment of the country shold form a cartel (at city level) who would always be ready to raise their voice and make the right things happen...then they can threaten the authority against any wrongdoing they commit.

2. Press must become more clean, powrful and influencing.

i can write more, but i have few obvious constraint...

hope to see u more thoughts..

PS: jo, gud work..keep goin yaar. I would surely be here to work with ya.

[j0]

Great contribution Ritesh.
A very clear line of thinking... much appreciated.

You make a good point about cartels, that's what the intention is in the end... this is a nation-wide forum with untapped potential for networking and mass movement.
A localised, nationalised approach is what will be needed.

We all forget that this is not just the biggest MBA forum in India...
It is the largest youth forum as well.

I want to see more names buddies... you lot just might have a chance at greatness here.

Make a show of strength.

[zango]

1)What they think about the present political scenario?
Its a mess. It is better than what it was a few years ago - but still it is a mess. Do I see a better situation with the current crop of politicians, in the future? I don't. The politics in this country is ruled by caste, communalism, communism - all for the sake of acquiring power, being corrupt, and bringing more misery to the public. Is this what the government is elected for? To bring misery to the people who voted for them? NOT!
->Can we do something to change it?
Yes, we can! It has come to a point where we need a dictator to put things into order. A person with vision - who can force people to amend. No, I am not suggesting we get a person like Hitler, to rule us. What I want is a strong elected leader at the top, who identifies the core problems and works on these issues with an iron hand. What happens to personal aspirations? As long as the public is happy - the ruler will surely have recognition, power, money. They just have to ensure that he keeps everyone in their staff just as happy.

2)What they see to be the bane of it?
The HUGE population. The population is uneducated, poor, and ready to sell their right to vote for a few pegs of desi daaru. If the population were smaller, the poverty levels would reduce, people would be able to spend more on their education and standards of living, rather than try to forget their misery by spending their precious little on alcohol, beating up their wives and kids, committing grave crimes.
We are an emotional nation. Our thoughts are easily swayed in the name of religion and caste. Development means little to us (the public in general). This is a very effective weapon in the hands of our politicians - who can easily gather huge support from visiting caste-specific communities and changing their statements as per the region.

Will education help?
Our current education system is a mess. Too much stress is laid upon Applied Sciences, with little thought going towards the finer arts and sciences. The aim is, obviously, to have children get the "good" jobs - which is what an Applied Sciences training would give them (?)
However, this is not to say that education wouldn't help. It will atleast raise the aspirations of the people to a better life. It would make them interested in the life beyond their current lifestyle - which would be a good thing. Awareness is the key.

3) what they would personally do(not hava mein), ?
As i mentioned above, Awareness is the key. We need people to be aware of a better life. We need them to be aware of the problems we face - population, corruption, illiteracy. We need them to realize that they have power to choose. We need them to realize the have the power to be chosen (right here, right now, you are my target audience) and make a difference.

4) the simple solutions for purportedly huge problems?
a) Fight against corruption
b) Fight against caste-driven politics
c) Awareness (note - this includes education) for the public

5) Your feelings on activism...have you been part of anything? What length would you go to?
I have not been an activist, ever. I have participated in social causes, but found there was too much hypocrisy involved to really want to continue. I am willing to go and do the nitty gritties provided I am convinced that it will yield a result. I need a team which is dedicated and which understands the cause. Once I have people with me, I am willing to fight with them to the end.


I'll tell you one thing and I'll be honest... when that PG poll on the Tsunami came up, I polled that I didn't see myself doing anything to help

Why did you put this as your answer? Will your answer be different today?
I'll honestly answer this one as well - I polled - I didn't see myself doing anything to help. The reason was - such polls make me feel like reading a tabloid. Did the poll actually serve a purpose? Let the hypocrites go be merry about donating a one day's salary to the cause.

I've reached a point where I'm ready to any god-damned thing with a sense of purpose to it.
Cheers to that. I think it is time you made clear your purpose to the junta.

If we see some sense to your angst, and some maturity towards how you want to tackle it... we will make something of this.
I don't need to add to that.


Folks, we need to hear from you. Do contribute!

Jai Hind!

Edit: Fixed some spelling mistakes

[j0]

Zango

I knew you were a man after my own heart... smashing post.

Originally Posted by Zango

am willing to go and do the nitty gritties provided I am convinced that it will yield a result. I need a team which is dedicated and which understands the cause. Once I have people with me, I am willing to fight with them to the end.

Done.
You already know it's there.

I think it is time you made clear your purpose to the junta.

We are looking for a critical mass here.
A critical mass who understand that change starts at home, we're not here looking to convert. We want people clear in their head and I cannot stress, superfluousness aside, the need for clarion clarity.
Basically we want people who understand the meaning of the word "initiative" and have no qualms in using it.

This is all about creating a society that espouses basic human ideals, a haven for the disaffected and utterly disgusted and finally...
... a platform for aggressive-in-intent activism.

If you ask me how...you are not what we are looking for.
If you tell me how... welcome to the gang.
And a humble request to all the people on PG to drop a line in.

Aryak let me know that Jormund(put those quills & feathers to good use here) , QuintE amongst a few others had evinced interest.

So guys wherever you are...show yourselves...let us hear what you have to say.

Jai Hind

[vivek2cool]

1)What they think about the present political scenario?
To say that it is a mess would be gross understatement... total and utter chaos is more like it....We can't really except anything else when we have umpteen national and regional parties ,with everyday a new party coming into being cos someone wants to be in the newspapers...Should every one who has a single view ,opinion or idealogy different from the other go ahead and make a party for that purpose alone??(Sometimes i think there will be a party to take care of idealogy there exists)....Should illiterate politicians be given power?or is it wrong to assume that illiterate people cannot handle power in a right way?These and a million other similar questions need to be answered before we set out to do anything to change our present political scenario.

Honestly i feel the 2 party system is much better ..becos i don't think that the major decisions regarding the growth and development of the country as a whole are(or should be) different..its only the lesser issues that are handled in different wasy by the different parties....

Jo,bringing Bush into the picture does not make sense..as US results show that, but for technical reasons which lead to his victory, it was a defeat for his ideals...
Bringing in a dictator as zango mentioned was something i used to believe could be the solution...But giving so much power in person hand is well and truly dangerous..even if he is of the gandhian mould.
2)What they see to be the bane of it?
Its not the HUGE population as Zango put it..but the break up of this huge population thats the problem.Seldom does anybody truly realise(though everybody reads and talks abt it) how mind boggingly diverse our country is....No where else in the world do they have a whole another culture,language,religion,caste,community etc etc change as we we move from one end to the other end....Herein lies our treasure and herein lies our death warrant....This diversity brings with it a whole another angle to each and every point of view.What is excellent for one is untouchable for the the next.So finally we go around in circles acheiving nothing.

Again its not corruption thats another culprit ,but our own attitudes towards this corruption...Honestly,don't the millions among us actually prefer giving the money under the table than wait in a queue and spend time on doing it the rite way(Point proved by DM from his driving licence episode,where all his friends took the easier way out).We talk and talk abt stopping this corruption but we ourselves add fuel to this burning fire of corruption bringing down our country by keeping this attitude up.

Will education help?
Illiteracy is another factor definitely....but it is not the main reason i believe..Let me explain why i said that..ITs true that education will help the illiterate understand their choices better but let me ask u one thing...What have We,the urban educated lot, even with our education done to change the way our country is run?So education alone is nothing,if we do not bring about a wide scale realization abt the utter rubbish that our nation is being dumped with.


3) what they would personally do(not hava mein)?
Here i agree with the other posters..Awareness is the Key!!! people should realise that we as a whole are being taken for a ride by the dirty cheap politicians of our country(I beleive the good ones are in too less a minority to be even mentioned)....the awareness in the issue of what our country reminds me of the AIDS campaign ad...Where the upper class guy says,ask the lower class abt it,the lower class guy says ask the upper class adn the middle class guy says its the lower or upper class guys problems...

4) the simple solutions for purportedly huge problems?
I do not honestly believe there are simple solutions...cause the answer to the problems might be simple but implimenting it for real is a almost an impossible task...but we need to make it possible if we need our country to be the best in the world to live in for our future generations...Just a small digression here...It amazes me that inspite of all these troubles we are chugging along the path of development,so i wonder often that if we can just atleast sort out the main problems facing our country what kind of a super power we really can be...

5) Your feelings on activism...have you been part of anything? What length would you go to?
Well as long as im sure about the intensions of the activism ill follow is to any lengths...Talking too much abt the lengths is unnecessary here Jo,Actions still speak louder than words..

6) Anything you might think that is relevant...causes that need backing, situations that need to be looked into, anything that holds your heart.
There are a million things that need to be taken care of....Poverty,illiteracy,child labour,senior citizen welfare,pollution etc etc etc..But we must relaise that we are humans and not God...it would be better to tackle one thing at a time and even that only working as a team.

Jo,if u are planning to do something in this aspect u can expect my whole hearted co-operation in it...

Cheers
Vivek out

ps:spelling and other errors possible.:smile: