SHOULD IITs,NITIE n INSTITUTES LIKE THT BE CONFINED TO ENGINEERS ALONE

[anuragxp]

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[hitman]

Originally Posted by DesiGuru

Look spending on research is cool. But spending on students who run away is not very useful to the country...
Foreign exchange... I was trying to praise the capacities of the students there... Their value would be 10x more than the foreign exchange they bring when they come back. Ofcourse noone comes back is another issue...

Infact each IIT and IIM has approx 100 acres. I would prefer to turn them into national universities along the lines of Harvard, Cambridge, MIT, Stanford... Something like that is what is the right thing to do... Ofcourse till then Hail Nehru/Gandhi and worship their entire family tree for the next 1000 years...

Best of Luck,

K

Mate !
so you are juss rubbishing the existence of IITs.
But i simply don't agree to some your points. firstly, you can't generalize a particular scenario. Agreed ,there are students who leave the country for reasons best suited to them.But the same can't be said for the majority who stay in india and contribute towards its growth in whatever capacity thay can.Moreover the guyz who strike gold on foreign shores do contribute towards their country's cause at some point of time.Be it by donating a gud chunk of foreign currency to their alma mater or in any other capacity.And if at all this is the case, then its not that only iitans who leave their country, same can be said about students from other engg. colleges.
so, shall we shut down all those colleges.
secondly, if we simply try to ape the western style of education it won't throw any solution. Tell me is there any cartainty that even after doing this, the current trend will halt. People will still find enough reasons to leave their country.

Coming to the question of IITs n Nitie being only confined to engg, i don't see any reason to challenge their selection procedure. The kind of curriculum they have, it helps if the candidates are from technical backgrounds. its plain and simple as this. Afterall there are B-schools that does not impose any such restrictions. we are making this fuss about their selection process because the competition is growing exponentially and we don't want to miss out on studying in a pioneer college on grounds we cannot do anything about.

regards.

[Hi-tech]

The eligibility criteria of IIT Delhi MBA Programme is pasted below:

1.Bachelor's Degree in any branch of Engineering/ Technology/ Architecture/ Pharmacy/ B.Sc. Agriculture Engineering (minimum 4 years after 10+2)
2. Master's degree in any branch of Physical/Chemical/Mathematical Sciences like Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, Statistics, Computer Application, Electronic Science, Environmental Science, Operations Research, Computational/Information Science, Agriculture or Master's Degree in Commerce/ Economics.

Hope that replies to the fact that its not only Engineers who are eligible for this programme.

[phoenixash]

Well... the debate started on whether IITs should alllow Non-Engineers to sit for JMET and prove their mettle and it degenerated into IIT and IITians Bashing by calling IITs national waste and IITians as traitors, by self proclaimed gurus of educational restructuring in India... it didnt end even here and was further degenerated into Gandhi family crap and what not

All I can say is each institution has/makes its own set of requirements as to what kind of students it wants. IITs foucs on teaching management to engineers.. So whats wrong in that? If some day they think that other grads are equally competent to join their program they may start inducting them.. nothing wrong in that too. Till then chillax.

[tarun_s]

As Hi Tech has mentioned

The fact it that non engineers are allowed in IITs. The only condition is that you must have a minimum of 4 years education after 12th.

Therefore student of commerce and economics are also allowed to join the course and some have done so, but only after 4 years of education unfortunately this can happen only after the student has done an Masters (MA , MCom). These are the eligibility criterion.

Next topic is that of the course curriculum. The course is still an MBA and its like a business school. Anything more is additional, not less.

I hope it clarifies the doubts of you guys.

Will be happy to answer anymore queries if you want.

Tarun

PS : I hope the discussion about non engineers not being allowed should be stopped.

[hardworker]

Actually, I also feel the same way, IIT's should do away with their penchant for Engineers only for their MBA programmes, I have completed a year at DOMS IITR, the curriculum does not entail any sort of Engg maths except in Operations research where in matrices were extensively used and the subject was highly mathematical in nature. A more diverse batch would be of much help....as is in the case of IIM's.

[devilbemyguide]

Oh God! This is one sour person.... whats the problem dude... pi@#ed that u did not make it to IIT after ur 12th or something....

well... differrent institutes have differrent eligibility criteria... at the IITs & NITIE, being an engineer helps as the course is structured in such a way that u become managers who can appreciate & incorporate technological innovations & understand technical problems involved in any process.
It so happens many times that lots of tech people keep complaining that their managers put pressure on them to complete a project within a particular time without understanding the technical difficulties in doing so... This is the gap(the kind of managers) that the IITs & NITIE is trying to fill....


& regarding IITs being a national waste etc... go take a hike or dive in a well(preferably the latter). The IIT is the country's biggest brand. & so much for the Indian Institute of whatever.... why dont we see u running a campaign to rename the IIMs. The fact is because u want to be their & get their tag.... thats why...

Originally Posted by DesiGuru

Well if you didnt get it... Then Consider that your CAT RC practice for the day!
I doubt the fees at IIT now is more than that of other engineering colleges. It was and still is i think only a small fraction of the actual money spent by the government...

Look spending on research is cool. But spending on students who run away is not very useful to the country...
Foreign exchange... I was trying to praise the capacities of the students there... Their value would be 10x more than the foreign exchange they bring when they come back. Ofcourse noone comes back is another issue...

Infact each IIT and IIM has approx 100 acres. I would prefer to turn them into national universities along the lines of Harvard, Cambridge, MIT, Stanford... Something like that is what is the right thing to do... Ofcourse till then Hail Nehru/Gandhi and worship their entire family tree for the next 1000 years...

Best of Luck,

K

[DesiGuru]

Since someone has cleared the query that IIT requires a masters degree for other non engineering courses (atleast IIT Delhi) then thats cool. But allowing only engineering students is not cool!

Bharti Telecom (airtel) i think was started by a Bcom grad... So you can take your "incorporation of technological innovation requires engineers" crap and shove it up ....<snipped>...

I am absolutely against the concept of IIT and IIM. Yes even IIM. Check out the headlines on ET mumbai a few days back... Government is concerned we do not have any university in the top rankings... No univ is even close to the harvards, oxfords etc... So we have talented students which the world is fully aware of and we are spending money but still no university capable of delivering a well rounded education in the top!!!

I am against 25 indian institutes of AllKindsofCrap! all over the planet. Like developing students from a standard factory developing alkaline batteries.
Ten great Universities that are capable of teaching everything under the sun with great specialities is what the need of the hour....

If you think IIT/IIM makes its students successful then you are kidding yourself... 17 year olds who can find the integral of root tanx within 10 minutes are going to succeed without IIT and even MIT. In the same way 22 year olds with iqs of 135+ and good personalities are going to succeed without IIM or even Harvard! IIT/IIM is the current best bet for indians, thats about it. Thats why people flock there.

Ofcourse I am deliberating rubbishing the concept of IIT and IIM, because I think its students deserve better. If you dont get it, its no big deal, you are not supposed to...

K

PS: Going even deeper into the rabbit hole... Putting IIT and Nitie in the same sentence is a joke... Trust me, I know the difference... very well!!

[Apprentice]

DG,

What do u think is the alternative to current IIts...???....U think if we have that "One University", the export of brainpower is gonna come to halt...???...

thanks,

reserving my views till then....

[DesiGuru]

Originally Posted by Apprentice

DG,

What do u think is the alternative to current IIts...???....U think if we have that "One University", the export of brainpower is gonna come to halt...???...

thanks,

reserving my views till then....

Export of brainpower is sadly unstoppable. But i would breath easy if the taxes that we paid dont go into the education of those that get exported... for free...
Lets take Bits pilani... i guess the folks there pay for their education... though we want the most of their smartest folks to stay back too... its democratic if they choose to go but atleast your taxes didnt go into their education...
Our taxes can be used for graduate study and research at IIT and other super top places... its a great investment possibly providing us with new ideas and products... So that much is cool...

I made two separate points really... That those who choose to go should atleast pay back part of what it actually cost us to educate them... It still would be peanuts for the folks going because they would be earning in $ anyways...

The other point about Broader Universities and not indian institutes of XXX is unrelated and far more complicated... Frankly I dont think that can happen easily even if we all agree. There would be no political motivation to get it done... In any case, the socialistic suckers in delhi are born to worship the gandhi clan and worship the brand name called "indian institute of crap"
Maybe i will go talk to Sonia Eh... haha... I am sure she is desperately single.. HaHa!!! She might even listen...

Also think about what exactly brand name means in the context of the international arena... Brand name is important if we want international students to come here and pay us $ for studying here. Its stupid to actually create a brand name so that its easier to escape from india... Think about it...

Now a Stanford MBA is great not for the two year of business courses but because there are studs doing PhDs in economics, electrical engineering, biotechnology... The real reason why Stanford MBA Vinod Khosla created SUN... Can an IIM match that... All the students are there just to study business... Uh A little boring eh.. World Class... not a chance in hell...

Yes! Its important to never stop questioning...

K