Whom to Blame...the BCCI or the Cricket team..

[koseram]

Ok Guys...
i'll take the opportunity to start this one...

What is the nagging problem for the Indian Cricket Team's inability to dominate the World Cricket??

why BCCI, one of the richest(if not the richest) is not able to find a winning team inspite of stacking the team with hired physios , trainers , pshyce instructors and hell of other sh*t??
If our team is getting the same faculties and facilities to work on as the Aussie team..why our success rate is so horrible that we have even lost to bangladesh (now don't tell me they have played a second string team) recently ??

Is it becoz, the board is so powerful that some time if it takes the decisions which are prejudiced (may be on the regional bias), the players can't oppose it ?
are the roots of corruption deeply stemmed in the board??
A recent instance of this.....VVS laxman was initially dropped from the bangla tour...the hyd board protested....sthg happened...and he played in the tour...Agarkar's is one lenghty, patchy story...no one knows why he is being picked time and again....

Or

Is it coz of the lack of glammar and money in the domestic circuit...there is a huge difference between the pay to a ranji player per match and an intl cricketer...No one really watches the game at home...
Can't the BCCI regulate its funds to popularise the domestic game so that they can solve the problem at the grass roots??

Or

Does the Indian Cricket Team lack the instincts to deliver under pressure??

[zango]

Originally Posted by koseram

Ok Guys...
i'll take the opportunity to start this one...

What is the nagging problem for the Indian Cricket Team's inability to dominate the World Cricket??

why BCCI, one of the richest(if not the richest) is not able to find a winning team inspite of stacking the team with hired physios , trainers , pshyce instructors and hell of other sh*t??
If our team is getting the same faculties and facilities to work on as the Aussie team..why our success rate is so horrible that we have even lost to bangladesh (now don't tell me they have played a second string team) recently ??

Is it becoz, the board is so powerful that some time if it takes the decisions which are prejudiced (may be on the regional bias), the players can't oppose it ?
are the roots of corruption deeply stemmed in the board??
A recent instance of this.....VVS laxman was initially dropped from the bangla tour...the hyd board protested....sthg happened...and he played in the tour...Agarkar's is one lenghty, patchy story...no one knows why he is being picked time and again....

Or

Is it coz of the lack of glammar and money in the domestic circuit...there is a huge difference between the pay to a ranji player per match and an intl cricketer...No one really watches the game at home...
Can't the BCCI regulate its funds to popularise the domestic game so that they can solve the problem at the grass roots??

Or

Does the Indian Cricket Team lack the instincts to deliver under pressure??

I would have commented on this in your previous thread - but it did deserve a new thread

IMO, India hasn't been so bad as you project,in recent years. Only these last six months have been a low period - and we have critics spring up in every nook and corner. Yeah, when we compare with australia - we may not be so good (we have the capability - even with the line of players who you think cannot make it to aussie 3rd string or so) - but perhaps lack in consistency. But compare that with other sides - and you will find that Team India doesn't languish in the dumps - i still hold that we are the second best side in the world - perhaps not good enough for you.

Well - so m uch for now - will come back here - with stats - till then - tada!

Cheers!

[rohitsh2]

Originally Posted by koseram

Ok Guys...
i'll take the opportunity to start this one...

What is the nagging problem for the Indian Cricket Team's inability to dominate the World Cricket??

why BCCI, one of the richest(if not the richest) is not able to find a winning team inspite of stacking the team with hired physios , trainers , pshyce instructors and hell of other sh*t??
If our team is getting the same faculties and facilities to work on as the Aussie team..why our success rate is so horrible that we have even lost to bangladesh (now don't tell me they have played a second string team) recently ??

Is it becoz, the board is so powerful that some time if it takes the decisions which are prejudiced (may be on the regional bias), the players can't oppose it ?
are the roots of corruption deeply stemmed in the board??
A recent instance of this.....VVS laxman was initially dropped from the bangla tour...the hyd board protested....sthg happened...and he played in the tour...Agarkar's is one lenghty, patchy story...no one knows why he is being picked time and again....

Or

Is it coz of the lack of glammar and money in the domestic circuit...there is a huge difference between the pay to a ranji player per match and an intl cricketer...No one really watches the game at home...
Can't the BCCI regulate its funds to popularise the domestic game so that they can solve the problem at the grass roots??

Or

Does the Indian Cricket Team lack the instincts to deliver under pressure??

btw, about laxman .. i thought he was dropped only from the one day squad .. and ofcourse he didn't play the one-dayeres. he was never dropped from the test squad. I hope i am correct.

[koseram]

btw, about laxman .. i thought he was dropped only from the one day squad .. and ofcourse he didn't play the one-dayeres. he was never dropped from the test squad. I hope i am correct.

yup buddy, he was dropped only for ODI series which he didn't play eventually which the HCA has made a big issue out of....

[brat]

I'll re-post my answer to ur post on the Gilly forum...I tend to agree with Zango:

Originally Posted by brat

If you noticed - the aussies have won a test series in every country in the past decade.

1) They don't complain when they don't have wicket keeper batsman etc. You do the job with what you have.
a fine example - no mcdermott or reiffel in '94 vs windies at carribbean, McGrath steps up and windies lose first time in 22 years at home.

2) Sometimes you get the feeling in India that the selectors do not choose rationally, they run the team like a passionate fan would.

All that being said, I think that this Indian team is India's best EVER. Better than any team we have put on the field since 1932, and World Beaters, no doubt about that.

They have the aggressive mindset, led by India's best (and luckiest, no doubting that!) captain ever.

So, let's not get carried away by a few bad results. Bangladesh was unpardonable, but do not forget that this team has won tests in every country except South Africa and New Zealand, something no other Indian team has achieved.

[koseram]

If you noticed - the aussies have won a test series in every country in the past decade.

1) They don't complain when they don't have wicket keeper batsman etc. You do the job with what you have.
a fine example - no mcdermott or reiffel in '94 vs windies at carribbean, McGrath steps up and windies lose first time in 22 years at home.

2) Sometimes you get the feeling in India that the selectors do not choose rationally, they run the team like a passionate fan would.

All that being said, I think that this Indian team is India's best EVER. Better than any team we have put on the field since 1932, and World Beaters, no doubt about that.

They have the aggressive mindset, led by India's best (and luckiest, no doubting that!) captain ever.

So, let's not get carried away by a few bad results. Bangladesh was unpardonable, but do not forget that this team has won tests in every country except South Africa and New Zealand, something no other Indian team has achieved.

I would have commented on this in your previous thread - but it did deserve a new thread

IMO, India hasn't been so bad as you project,in recent years. Only these last six months have been a low period - and we have critics spring up in every nook and corner. Yeah, when we compare with australia - we may not be so good (we have the capability - even with the line of players who you think cannot make it to aussie 3rd string or so) - but perhaps lack in consistency. But compare that with other sides - and you will find that Team India doesn't languish in the dumps - i still hold that we are the second best side in the world - perhaps not good enough for you.

Well - so m uch for now - will come back here - with stats - till then - tada!

Cheers!

first place, i deny that India is the second best team...reason.....more than one team is performing equally good ....
they are India and England...and ....i rate England above India.......because....their team has a better balance than our team......

now,i can't resist to spurt this out....

see......our team doesn't have the right blend....it never had....

we need atleast three quality pacers in the team...atleast two...that is the only solution if we want to be consistently successful...

History has proved time and again that ...at any point in the game a pace bowler can turn the tables for you...this is how pakistan snatched many victories from india ..wt they do?? they bring in one pace bowler akram or younis or javed or akthar in the middle overs...take two wickets...that's it inns collapses...
take australia.. lillee, mcdermott , mcgrath to brett lee.....strike bowlers u call them...same job done...
take south africa....devilliers, donald, pollock, kallis....again same ace bowlers...
take westindies in the past.....garner,marshall,walsh ,ambrose(god, he is immaculate).....
all the above teams are those which enjoyed the best phases in their countries cricket history...one common thing ....their pace duos or trios...

n' the pacers we had....prabhaakar(whiner n' no performer, bowled spin also..what an allrounder... ), srinath, kapil dev and can't rem. neone else.... no one is a strike bowler ....
but when u start our grate spinners list.....there comes erapalli prasanna, chandra, bedi, kumble, harbhajan and list goes on.......
i don't say they are avg bowlers...they are all outstanding spinners who made us taste many victories....but the bottom line .....
you need a bowler to look up to when you are in crisis.....a spinner cannot do that.........
How many times have you seen an indian captain looking helplessly at the opposition batsmen plundering runs from spinners and counting on whom to bring in to the attack??? (poor capt...pity you.)............
and we have got so used to and embarasses with it that, everytime we knew the eventuality well beforehand??

This is the very reason..i think.. why india could not dominate the world cricket thus far...
Hopefully i cud see some young bowlers coming up these days...
esp. Pathan...first time in the Indian Cricket i have seen a Guy Reverse Swinging the Ball so Beautifully...
I remember for ever that reverse swing yorker which uprooted the stumps of that mighty guy...whoooooooose....yup...Gilly..
and what more...... he has been the lynchpin for India to play it's Best Cricket Ever and being the secon best team according to you guys.....

That sums up my opinion (rather a burst out) to our team's bungles and some sugges. to recuperate...

So, BCCI, stop haggling whether to play 7 batsman or 6 batsman in the game..... pull your socks up and try to get the best talents of fast bowlers in the country...because A Pace Bowler Can change the Complexion of a Game at any given moment.....

And that is the only way you can help indian fans to seee............India the NUMERO UNO in the game....hope that day is not far off.....

Expecting Guys to Opine.....


Sriram.
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[brat]

well.......any quality bowler can change the course of a match! not necessary a pacer.

e.g. - warne changed the course of the 1996 semi final vs Windies.

we have an unbelievable quality of bowlers now, if they remain fit:

imagine:

Zaheer and Irfan opening (zaheer's rhythm is back)

Nehra 3rd seamer (or balaji for variety)

spinner - either Harbhajan, or Kumble.....both world class!

as for pakistan...yes they did have great pacers.....tho who do they have now? Shoiab "chuck"ther? big Prima donna that one!

South Africa have never had a quality spinner....the lack of variety in their attack is what has held them back from ever becoming no.1

as for England.............pardon me......but haven't they won 7 tests at home (against a pathetic windies and off colour NZ), 3 in a weak windies,
and 1 in an SA which looks hopelessly lost?

Had India done the same, we would have been quick to pounce......"hey, they just beat minnows!'

England have yet to face an acid test - If they hold their own aginst Oz this summer, I'll take my hat off to them!

India have come thru acid tests in Oz andPak, relatively unscathed. We are 2nd best.....but by a fair distance...need to close that....fast!

[koseram]

well.......any quality bowler can change the course of a match! not necessary a pacer.

e.g. - warne changed the course of the 1996 semi final vs Windies.

we have an unbelievable quality of bowlers now, if they remain fit:

imagine:

Zaheer and Irfan opening (zaheer's rhythm is back)

Nehra 3rd seamer (or balaji for variety)

spinner - either Harbhajan, or Kumble.....both world class!

as for pakistan...yes they did have great pacers.....tho who do they have now? Shoiab "chuck"ther? big Prima donna that one!

South Africa have never had a quality spinner....the lack of variety in their attack is what has held them back from ever becoming no.1

as for England.............pardon me......but haven't they won 7 tests at home (against a pathetic windies and off colour NZ), 3 in a weak windies,
and 1 in an SA which looks hopelessly lost?

Had India done the same, we would have been quick to pounce......"hey, they just beat minnows!'

England have yet to face an acid test - If they hold their own aginst Oz this summer, I'll take my hat off to them!

India have come thru acid tests in Oz andPak, relatively unscathed. We are 2nd best.....but by a fair distance...need to close that....fast!

hey....you've strengthened my view talking of the offcolor pakis or the windies .....
for the south africans....they were the best in the business when cronje was their captain with fast bowlers of likes of donald, pollock, kallis, klusener in their heydays....

even the reason for england doin well now is their fast bowlers only.... harmisson in windies ..and pacers turning out in SA.....

England made a whitewash 4-0 against a weak WI (how weak it may be..) in WI...that stands very high....Can't Expect India to do the same .....
buddy...If india could win a series overseas and with a whitewash..... we will rate them as good as Oz..our expert commentator panel will ensure that....

judging by current form...Eng have to be second best....even the ICC rankings approves of it....by a small margin though..

[brat]

ICC rankings had SA as No. 1 test team at a time when oz was smashing every1 out. So, don't have much faith in them!

As to the pacers argument, yes, agreed , we need quality pacers since they do change matches, but i say we have these, and we have spinners who can do so too.

As to SA - never were brilliant....above average and competitive - yes....but their famed pacers dint win them a series in Oz, windies or England.....they only beat a declining windies!

India - shudve beaten windies - dont like excuses, but, if u recall, eddie nichls the third ump gave hooper not out wen replays showed his bat a foot outside crease! he was on 15 then.....went on to make 115 and we lost the match!

But- we beat Pak in Pak and drew the aussies!

England have no spinner, only a flintoff, rest are pedestrian, never faced a strong batting lineup!

You saw what happened to aussies when warne wasn't playing...theur bowlers suffered! So, spinners are reqd, we have both...so, why worry? we'll win a series outside subcontinent under this team...I guarantee u that!

[koseram]

...so, why worry? we'll win a series outside subcontinent under this team...I guarantee u that!

waitin for that...not sure though....our team is a kinda quciksilver...