Whom to Blame...the BCCI or the Cricket team..

[FreakazoiD]

Originally Posted by brat

we have an unbelievable quality of bowlers now, if they remain fit:

imagine:

Zaheer and Irfan opening (zaheer's rhythm is back)

Nehra 3rd seamer (or balaji for variety)

spinner - either Harbhajan, or Kumble.....both world class!

ROFLMAO

Replace Irfan with Agarkar and then it will be truly world-class

Originally Posted by brat

England have no spinner, only a flintoff, rest are pedestrian, never faced a strong batting lineup!

Steve Harmison is probably the best fast-bowler today...

the freak

[brat]

Originally Posted by freakazoid

Steve Harmison is probably the best fast-bowler today...

the freak

MUUUUUUHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH AHA

[MurTuzA]

Coming back to the topic on hand here.....

I believe BCCI is responsible for the state of our national team.
As someone had mentioned already....there is a big difference between the game at Ranji Level and the national level in terms of the exposure,quality and most importantly the moolah associated.The players at the Ranji Level get peanuts as compared to the national team members. BCCI isnt interested in developing the game at the grass root levels.They are just happy making money out of the game and it's popularity.

So wot if the team isnt the best in the world??? In a country where the game is virtually worshipped it really wudnt make a diff.

Getting n number of luxuries for the natl team isnt gonna help the game. A proper culture has to b inculcated in the players right from their early learning yrs.Give them the best of facilities.Its not the old war horses who need psychologists.its the young kids who need to b groomed.Get personal trainers and proper coaches for young talents.India doesnt have a dearth of talent.Its all abt how they r groomed for the big stage.

[MurTuzA]

Originally Posted by FreakazoiD

Steve Harmison is probably the best fast-bowler today...

The tallest maybe....but the best fast bowler today????? He still has some way to go before being the best.He does have the goods to b the best one day no doubt.But he isnt there yet.

[brat]

you're right. What we need is something along the lines of PHL. We need to get the fans out cheering for their home teams. It may be an impossible dream, but the ideal situation would be something akin to NBA etc.

Regional rivalries which spark competition. We have those rivalries in place, just require to market them so that ppl will pay to watch them.

Apart from players, the fans get a disgustingly raw deal!

I don't know how it is in Eden or other big stadiums in India, but let me tell you about "aamchi Mumbai" - supposedly India's cricketing nursery.

Wankhede - atrocious conditions! Apart from the usual disgusting cheap wooden benches on stone platforms, the facilities are useless.

imagine - one "toilet" having 5 inches of "water" in it all over the floor. 50 ppl inside standing in a queue to answer a non-cellular call, 50 ppl outside, waiting to get in.

And this is during an India vs Aus ODI. Would YOU go to watch such a game?

Richest board in the world? Who pays them? We do! what do we get?
forget the team, look at what we get!

sorry to diverge a bit from topic, but these two are interlinked slightly.

[MurTuzA]

Originally Posted by brat

you're right. What we need is something along the lines of PHL. We need to get the fans out cheering for their home teams. It may be an impossible dream, but the ideal situation would be something akin to NBA etc.

Regional rivalries which spark competition. We have those rivalries in place, just require to market them so that ppl will pay to watch them.

Apart from players, the fans get a disgustingly raw deal!

I don't know how it is in Eden or other big stadiums in India, but let me tell you about "aamchi Mumbai" - supposedly India's cricketing nursery.

Wankhede - atrocious conditions! Apart from the usual disgusting cheap wooden benches on stone platforms, the facilities are useless.

imagine - one "toilet" having 5 inches of "water" in it all over the floor. 50 ppl inside standing in a queue to answer a non-cellular call, 50 ppl outside, waiting to get in.

And this is during an India vs Aus ODI. Would YOU go to watch such a game?

Richest board in the world? Who pays them? We do! what do we get?
forget the team, look at what we get!

sorry to diverge a bit from topic, but these two are interlinked slightly.

Exactly Brat....we need cricket to come up like NBA in the US.Develop that sense of pride among the viewers for their state teams.That wud definitely improve the quality of the game.It isnt impossible.All they need to do is market the thing aggresively.Anything sells in India given that it is marketed well.I bet if they do that the corporate house sponsors wudnt mind flowing in the cash too. I m telling u it a is market waiting to b exploited.the board cud make a lot of money thru this. But they just arent interested.

Their policy...why take pains when u r making gains

This will also give the state players a boost.In the present scenario...u cud run into a state player who's a national probable and chances r u wudnt know how he is.Compare that to the way the national players are mobbed by crowds.

There r two classes of players at the Ranji Level today.One who have a chance of making it into the natl team and who are just bothered abt their personal performances to impress the selectors.The other class is of those who know they wont make it and just play for the sake of playing (wot other motivation cud they have)

[pillager]

why not both..

BCCI is a non-profitable (means no tax for them ) organisation and cricket tem is non performance (means can devote full time in ads)

[beast]

Koseram ,

Cricket is only a game.
In agame there will be ups and downs.
The team has been performing quite well in the past 2 years.
it's only in the past few months that the team has been offcolour.
The team's performance depends on a whole lot of parameters like composition of the team(team management and selectors),the opposition and the level of compitition.
I think the present team is pretty ok .Only it needs to be dealt with a bit of patience.The aim must be the next WORLD CUP.

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.

[beast]

Originally Posted by koseram

Ok Guys...
i'll take the opportunity to start this one...

What is the nagging problem for the Indian Cricket Team's inability to dominate the World Cricket??

why BCCI, one of the richest(if not the richest) is not able to find a winning team inspite of stacking the team with hired physios , trainers , pshyce instructors and hell of other sh*t??
If our team is getting the same faculties and facilities to work on as the Aussie team..why our success rate is so horrible that we have even lost to bangladesh (now don't tell me they have played a second string team) recently ??

Is it becoz, the board is so powerful that some time if it takes the decisions which are prejudiced (may be on the regional bias), the players can't oppose it ?
are the roots of corruption deeply stemmed in the board??
A recent instance of this.....VVS laxman was initially dropped from the bangla tour...the hyd board protested....sthg happened...and he played in the tour...Agarkar's is one lenghty, patchy story...no one knows why he is being picked time and again....

Or

Is it coz of the lack of glammar and money in the domestic circuit...there is a huge difference between the pay to a ranji player per match and an intl cricketer...No one really watches the game at home...
Can't the BCCI regulate its funds to popularise the domestic game so that they can solve the problem at the grass roots??

Or

Does the Indian Cricket Team lack the instincts to deliver under pressure??

Nope, if persisted with a bit of patience and faith the team will deliver.

[koseram]

Koseram ,

Cricket is only a game.
In agame there will be ups and downs.
The team has been performing quite well in the past 2 years.
it's only in the past few months that the team has been offcolour.
The team's performance depends on a whole lot of parameters like composition of the team(team management and selectors),the opposition and the level of compitition.
I think the present team is pretty ok .Only it needs to be dealt with a bit of patience.The aim must be the next WORLD CUP.

buddy,
i can remember how the team has been playing for the past 10 years. When the team wins 2 games(ODI's) in a row, i have never seen them winning the third game against any team..(including Zim and Ban)...
that is our consistency for u....as a passionate fan, i wanted to have a strong perception of the team, before it plays a game that, it will win the game and win it convincingly ....but, even agnst a underrated team, we keep on struggling to win the game..by losing quick wickets or by loosening conc. when they are doing well...our team lacks consistency to the core
.....that is not sthng which arouses interest in you as a fan...that is one reason why a lot of ppl are losing their interest these days...

adding to that, they don't pose a confident outlook while they are playing....it need not be only batting or bowling...a side's fielding skills speak a lot of its commitment...u see our dada(set's pitiful examples for his team), laxman and most of the team fielding pathetically...guys like yuvraj, kaif field brilliantly...we should not exaggerate that coz that is common in an oz, SA or even a zim team...we should raise our bar of performance so that every player tries to attain that...these A*****E commentators keep on blowing up the things for you....they are just exacerbating the situation.....they show every minute detail of the cricketer which is no way relevant ...this is just one aspect of the team's inconsistency...but, don't they say, success is contagious...if u do well in one dept that will reflect in other depts.....

at the end, what matters is how you helped the team's cause..a guy would have made only 12 runs but he might have done it in tense period and win the game for his ctry and do it consistently though his overall avg is not so great... and our guys might maintain their avg above 40's (in ODI's) but, if they can't score when it matters that is a mere waste...

huh....that's it for now...