Next IIM in Shillong !!!!!

[rohitk]

Originally Posted by kabmilega @ Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:28 am

Hey guys... i know Shillong is far and for many people in non north eastern India "Dangerous", but it doesn't mean that an IIM cannot be successful there. In case you've not been there its one of the most panaromic places in India.

I know most people in our country like to live their lives without realising that there is something called the north eastern part of India, its been neglected by every government and has been the cynosure of supposed terrorist activity. Please be aware that India is not just Bangalore and Delhi and Mumbai, its also Dispur and Bongaigaon and Shillong.

There is a need to ensure a level playing field in the field of education and a very good way of doing this is to start an IIM in the North East. Its a great idea and the govt. has my full support. Way to go.

chill man chill.....
there i thimk no one on this forum who is not aware of north-eastern parts of our country coz we have some of india's best brains here so dont feel bad.
now bout ur post....
i somehow agree that it has been neglected by almost every govt at center but plzz do we have a central rule in India??? no ! wat's the state govt doing in all those states apart frm stuffing their pockets with all the aid center sends them for development??
and do u really think neglect by center is real reason of terrorism in NE of our country??? cmon u r really kiddin the real reason is elsewhere..... i wont post real reasons here coz i dont think this is the proper place for it.
and how on earth will an iim at shillong help fight terrorism and create a level playing field in education?? Ne states have some gud instis....has neone heard bout RIMS(regional Insti of Medical Studies) ay imphal Manipur?? and how extortionists killed docs over there wen they refused to pat the HAFTA or how militants day in and out kidnap engineers working at various projects ???
wattda ya think govt is gonna give some quota to NE studs???or all terrorists r gonna b flooored by this gesture of central govt and surrender???
and bout panaromic place ...i agree that NE is the most panaromic place in India but is that the only requirement for an insti to flourish??no even instis like iit g iim i and iim k have had to suffer coz of lack of proper transportation mediums to reach the place(plzz no disrespect to ne insti... just the fact) the prob is of infra ..... not inside the insti but outside it.

and btw govt did start iit g quite some time back .i fail to see how it has ensured a level playing field in education???
it is hi time NE staes do some soul seraching b fore blaming govt for all there ills!
adios
rohit
ps how do i know so much?? coz my dad spent 3 yrs in NE lost 1 colleague to terrorist activities and was himself threatened on innumerable occasions.

[CATch2004]

just trying to connect the dots *over here ..

there was a news item regarding the opening of the Nathu la Pass in shilong ..

I think this is going to be historic for indo china trade ...

Easter india has a bright future ... a bschool right there is perfect


what say guys ...

I certainly feel nathu-la is our suez cannal

"Go east" is what i say !!

(http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2025...9001605300.htm)

[The Raven]

I think starting IIMS, IITs at places like Shillong, Guwahati is a very good idea. I feel it would do good for such regions.

I see the following positive points in this :-
1. Since lot of people are crazy about joining IIT, IIM, people from other parts of the country would start going to these places. It will help in integrating these regions with the rest of the country.
2. More students, more professors, more recruiters will land up in the place. This will mean more and more people will get to see the place and it will probably result in someone taking up the task of developing the place.
3. Of course more IIM seats for the taking for aspirants.
4. Quite, serene locations offer better settings for an educational institution than the hustle and bustle of city with lot of distractions that a metro offers.

Only disadvantage I see is terrorism. If government is able to curb terrorism and offer safe atmosphere, it would be an excellent idea to start an IIM at Shillong.

[G O V A R]

The discussion is not whether Shillong is a good place... Ofcourse its a good place, its very much India... not a single person disputes that. The real problem is with the accessibility of the place and the possibility of a solid establishment there.

The debate is whether an IIM should help develop the place, or should IIMs be in places that are actually developed?

I don't think IIMs can help in "Significant" development in the place. In our batch, there are just 2/3 from the whole of North East. Compare that with the 15s and 20s from Delhi, Cal and Chennai (Bombay missed out). So, the inherent problem is not a lack of college, but the educational facilities available over there.

THink abt industrial interaction, placements etc. 95% of the students who pass out go to a metro/cosmo/abroad. How would students possibly travel to their home towns? Not everyone can afford airfares everytime...

Apart from these, performing market surveys, industrial visits etc are an integral part of our courses, all of which needs a strong industrial/market base.

And, why would you want to project an underdeveloped place (the unfortunate reality) to people from other countries who'd want to have relations with the college?

The adv. with having an IIM in a metro or cosmo is the industrial interaction, connectivity etc. More than anything, it would be very convenient to access test markets, MNCs etc to learn the latest happenings...


Shoot ur arguments...

[born2lead]

I agree with "The Raven".


Grow up people ...
I get negative karmas for this but please....

think beyond obvious...
I feel ...well very dejected..[ashamed would be the word I supposed to use.]

Come on guys/gals think out of box...

Why not Shillong.... Do you want to go for parties or study ??

In some other thread I read Reliance recruiting Dumbs for their Web-worlds etc...

Hello Future managers ...Do you know retailing ???


I think we people here only look for our own self...
New IIM in Shillong.. I don't like Shillong I like Mumbai / Chennai etc etc....

can we grow beyond this....

Think 10 years down the line....what happens if the current state of affairs continue with N-E states..they ask their own land...

Another Kashmir / LTTE / Rayalseema / Vidarbha Kinda problem in making...
Why in making they already have BODOland.......

I feel very sad with the lack of maturity in thinking of junta, here.....
We take the responsibility of, managing a company in next few years and we don't even know how we stand in next few years.....

I see this as a Great move by Govt. to link all the states by means of education....
They started somewhere at least.

How did Hyderabad grow in past 3-4 years ???

Did you know the current status of Hyderabad ...I invite you...
check Pune for that matter ..I personally invite you to look at them and study .....
They are on the map as IT hub and educational hub now...

Why not some N-E state.... for that matter ??

Of communication and commutation... I believe "Necessity Is mother of all invention".
When stations Airports and roads are required they will be built,only *if required* will be built...

Let the blood flow as sweat...

I want to see American students coming to India for learning *no art no philosophy or even culture* but Pure innovation, technology and business management....

Can you all future Managers come and join hands to make this a Reality..... ???


Hope this will fuel some negative Karmas on my account....
but who cares ... about negative karmas...


if I can get one head ticking I got 10 +ve .......

[born2lead]

Originally Posted by rohitk @ Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:55 am

chill man chill.....
there i thimk no one on this forum who is not aware of north-eastern parts of our country coz we have some of india's best brains here so dont feel bad.
now bout ur post....
i somehow agree that it has been neglected by almost every govt at center but plzz do we have a central rule in India??? no ! wat's the state govt doing in all those states apart frm stuffing their pockets with all the aid center sends them for development??
and do u really think neglect by center is real reason of terrorism in NE of our country??? cmon u r really kiddin the real reason is elsewhere..... i wont post real reasons here coz i dont think this is the proper place for it.
and how on earth will an iim at shillong help fight terrorism and create a level playing field in education?? Ne states have some gud instis....has neone heard bout RIMS(regional Insti of Medical Studies) ay imphal Manipur?? and how extortionists killed docs over there wen they refused to pat the HAFTA or how *militants day in and out kidnap engineers working at various projects ???
wattda ya think govt is gonna give some quota to NE studs???or all terrorists r gonna b flooored by this gesture of central govt and surrender???
and bout panaromic place ...i agree that NE is the most panaromic place in India but is that the only requirement for an insti to flourish??no even instis like iit g iim i and iim k have had to suffer coz of lack of proper transportation mediums to reach the place(plzz no disrespect to ne insti... just the fact) the prob is of infra ..... not inside the insti but outside it.

and btw govt did start iit g quite some time back .i fail to see how it has ensured a level playing field in education???
it is hi time NE staes do some soul seraching b fore blaming govt for all there ills!
adios
rohit
ps how do i know so much?? coz my dad spent 3 yrs in NE lost 1 colleague to terrorist activities and was himself *threatened on innumerable occasions.

That's precise...
it's egg and chicken dilemma...

what to tackle first...
get a bird's eyeview....

Govt. has to do something for N-E. and when its there ....
who cares whether it works or not... it's the job of those who want to make it a success...

[rohitk]

Originally Posted by The Raven @ Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:25 pm

4. Quite, serene locations offer better settings for an educational institution than the hustle and bustle of city with lot of distractions that a metro offers.

Only disadvantage I see is terrorism. If government is able to curb terrorism and offer safe atmosphere, it would be an excellent idea to start an IIM at Shillong.

not again .... serene location for edu insti......why do u think that serene environ is some kinda prerequsite for good insti???? and talking bout distractions in metro ... dont u feel they r necessary after all ,all work and no play makes jack a dull boy

neways the pertinent quest is not whether there shud b iim at shillong but why there shud b a new iim at shillong or newhere else ??
this is gonna b no small step as it wont be some jumreitaliya insti of management but an iim .it needs to pass certain criteria to maiantain the brand and aura associated with the name.
as far as more seats r concerned there is a much simple soln... just inc the intake in the present iims thats all.well dont double the intake in one yr but go for a gradual phased increase of seats.if iim l takes 200+ studs and palces all of them i dont see why iim abc cant do same?and as far as quality of studs is concerned ...well is there ne diff b/w 99% and 98 %?


already lotsa ppl r going to these places ..traders students labours engineers lotsa ppl r already going to these places but the prerequisite of development is peace......

and why will "OTHER PPL"(read recruiters industrialists etc) will develop the place ?wat is the local govt doing apart frm shielding the extortionists?

so u see the only motive of govt. in making such announcements is to garner more votes nothin else!
and btw i think we'll all agree that NE parts of our country r really underdeveloped but then wat do u need more for development an iim iit or strong and sound primary and secondary education system? the ans my dear is...... BLOWIN IN THE WIND

adios
rohit

[arunie_2k2]

always been wondering y they hate us so much!!

now i know!!!

[the STIFFmaester]

Industrial Interaction is very much a part of the learning that goes on in a B-School. For example, in a course on Managing people and performance in organizations, students are required to visit a large organization and study their performance, motivation and rewards processes. Guest lectures by people from the industry serves to give students a real world perspective of what goes on in the Industry. It would be slightly difficult to study organizations or invite guest speakers from the Industry in certain places. Thats why the 6 IIMs and many more top notch B-Schools are situated either IN or in close proximity to a metro.
I do agree that education would serve to improve the situation in the NE and certain other places. However, it could probably be implemented by setting up a top notch Engineering or technical institution like the IIT or the REC/NIT. Management Education without regular Industrial interface would defeat the purpose. And the argument on finding a serene environment for an educational institution may not hold water. It is slightly difficult to believe that The IITs are Chennai, Bombay, Delhi or the IIMs at Bangalore and calcutta suffer in any way from their locations in metros. In fact it only improves opportunities for industrial interaction and a little bit of relaxation for the students (read: booze ).

Nikhil

[rohitk]

Originally Posted by arunie_2k2 @ Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:24 pm

always been wondering y they hate us so much!!

now i know!!!

hi i dont know who u r and who hates u and wat for but beleive me we need to see rationale behind such steps and shud not get swayed by emotionla currents(managers r not supposed to b maudlins) .so u see the basic pt as i mentioned in my last post is do we actually need a new iim ??? it doesnt really matter if its in shillong or new delhi or bhatinda! do we actually need one?lets see objectively wat purpose a new iim will serve:-

1)inc instudent intake which i feel is definitely the nedd of the hour coz iims r really leaving so many GOOD quality ppl out coz of limited seats that my soul shivers in my hydrocarbon based frame(thats my body silly )but do we need new iim for that why not inc seats in present iims ? may b 15-20 seats each yr.and even if there is a new iim wat will b its intake? arnd 60 -70 and now consider an inc of seats *by say 20 only in iim abci (excluding iim l as it alredy has 200+ and iim k as it is quite new) that amts to 80 fresh seats with minmum burden on infra plus guranteed quality education coz a new iim will take some time (read 6-7 yrs) to gain a formidable footprint.

2)improving education quality in NE-well do u really think it is that simple then we definitely need one in bihar also as bihar's situation is really deplorable.and one for jharkhand one for orissa the list is endless even one for delhi ...why not it'll improve education in my city also .wat ppl fail to see is that iit g is there for quite some time now and nit(formerly rec) silchar has been there for a long long time so wats the gain for edu system?zilch.lets say if all the management instis in India r rechristened as iims and all engg insti as iits ... so that'll ensure that they r upto the matk ...right * *the thing is that we always look for instant solutions which require little effort on everyone's part.why not instead draw up a say 10-15 yrs plan for imroving quality of education in NE?and then progress steadily doing annual surveys and appraisals.and btw wat is more impo an iim or a secondary school?for me its the secondary school coz how will u make it to iim without a 12th pass certi???

3)improving life quality in NE-well this one is total crap how will iim improve life quality in NE beats me.have u seen ne impression of iim abc on respective place?rather it is exactly the other way round the iim slowly develops into a minitiarized form of the city.

so can ne sane person xplain to me why the hell we need a new iim??? just coz the govt wanna get some quick and cheap votes frm NE by giving them a sugar coated lollypop instead of some concrete action to improve their condition.and all ppl get swayed by it as if they've already ben guaranteed a seat at the will b opened.moreover the real push for the development of NE in particular and the country in general will arise not by some funding by center or some foreign bank,not by openeing up new instis, not by hollow promises, not by these mirages but by the clear conscience of ppl to work hard and b honest to themselves and others.just look at japan.......................

adios
rohit
ps btw who is giving me all those -ve karmas?? am i that bad or its just that ppl cant accept reality and satiate their conscious by giving -ve karmas to poor souls like me