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View Poll Results: What should India Do ?
War : POK should be captured 25 39.68%
Peace : Should give up war and try Peace 8 12.70%
Diplomatic :No Future Invasion and terrorism ! action if it happens 28 44.44%
No Idea 2 3.17%
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INDIA paki stan Issue : POK - 26-09-2004, 03:16 PM

When did India loose POK ???


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The first test for the Indian armed forces came shortly after independence with the first Indo-Pakistani conflict (1947-4. The military was called upon to defend the borders of the state of Jammu and Kashmir when tribals--principally Pathans--attacked from the northwest reaches of Kashmir on October 22, 1947. India's 161st Infantry Brigade was deployed and thwarted the advance of the tribal forces. In early November 1947, the 161st counterattacked and successfully broke through the enemy defenses. Despite early successes, the Indian army suffered a setback in December because of logistical problems. The problems enabled the forces of Azad Kashmir (Free Kashmir, as the part of Kashmir under Pakistani control is called) to take the initiative and force the Indian troops to retreat from the border areas. In the spring of 1948, the Indian side mounted another offensive to retake some of the ground that it had lost. No doubt fearing that the war might move into Pakistan proper, regular units of the Pakistani army became more actively involved. As the conflict escalated, the Indian leadership was quick to recognize that the war could not be brought to a close unless Pakistani support for the Azad Kashmir forces could be stopped. Accordingly, on the advice of Governor General Earl Louis Mountbatten (Britain's last viceroy in India in 1947 and governor general of India, 1947-4, the Indian government sought United Nations (UN) mediation of the conflict on December 31, 1947. There was some opposition to this move within the cabinet by those who did not agree with referring the Kashmir dispute to the UN. The UN mediation process brought the war to a close on January 1, 1949. In all, 1,500 soldiers died on each side during the war.


The second Indo-Pakistani conflict (1965) was also fought over Kashmir and started without a formal declaration of war. It is widely accepted that the war began with the infiltration of Pakistani-controlled guerrillas into Indian Kashmir on about August 5, 1965. Skirmishes with Indian forces started as early as August 6 or 7, and the first major engagement between the regular armed forces of the two sides took place on August 14. The next day, Indian forces scored a major victory after a prolonged artillery barrage and captured three important mountain positions in the northern sector. Later in the month, the Pakistanis counterattacked, moving concentrations near Tithwal, Uri, and Punch. Their move, in turn, provoked a powerful Indian thrust into Azad Kashmir. Other Indian forces captured a number of strategic mountain positions and eventually took the key Haji Pir Pass, eight kilometers inside Pakistani territory.

The Indian gains led to a major Pakistani counterattack on September 1 in the southern sector, in Punjab, where Indian forces were caught unprepared and suffered heavy losses. The sheer strength of the Pakistani thrust, which was spearheaded by seventy tanks and two infantry brigades, led Indian commanders to call in air support. Pakistan retaliated on September 2 with its own air strikes in both Kashmir and Punjab. The war was at the point of stalemate when the UN Security Council unanimously passed a resolution on September 20 that called for a cease-fire. New Delhi accepted the cease-fire resolution on September 21 and Islamabad on September 22, and the war ended on September 23. The Indian side lost 3,000 while the Pakistani side suffered 3,800 battlefield deaths. The Soviet-brokered Tashkent Declaration was signed on January 10, 1966. It required that both sides withdraw by February 26, 1966, to positions held prior to August 5, 1965, and observe the cease-fire line agreed to on June 30, 1965.


The origins of the third Indo-Pakistani conflict (1971) were different from the previous conflicts. The Pakistani failure to accommodate demands for autonomy in East Pakistan in 1970 led to secessionist demands in 1971 (see The Rise of Indira Gandhi, ch. 1). In March 1971, Pakistan's armed forces launched a fierce campaign to suppress the resistance movement that had emerged but encountered unexpected mass defections among East Pakistani soldiers and police. The Pakistani forces regrouped and reasserted their authority over most of East Pakistan by May.

As a result of these military actions, thousands of East Pakistanis died at the hands of the Pakistani army. Resistance fighters and nearly 10 million refugees fled to sanctuary in West Bengal, the adjacent Indian state. By midsummer, the Indian leadership, in the absence of a political solution to the East Pakistan crisis, had fashioned a strategy designed to assist the establishment of the independent nation of Bangladesh. As part of this strategy, in August 1971, India signed a twenty-year Treaty of Peace, Friendship, and Cooperation with the Soviet Union. One of the treaty's clauses implied that each nation was expected to come to the assistance of the other in the event of a threat to national security such as that occurring in the 1965 war with Pakistan. Simultaneously, India organized, trained, and provided sanctuary to the Mukti Bahini (meaning Liberation Force in Bengali), the East Pakistani armed resistance fighters.

Unable to deter India's activities in the eastern sector, on December 3, 1971, Pakistan launched an air attack in the western sector on a number of Indian airfields, including Ambala in Haryana, Amritsar in Punjab, and Udhampur in Jammu and Kashmir. The attacks did not succeed in inflicting substantial damage. The Indian air force retaliated the next day and quickly achieved air superiority. On the ground, the strategy in the eastern sector marked a significant departure from previous Indian battle plans and tactics, which had emphasized set-piece battles and slow advances. The strategy adopted was a swift, three-pronged assault of nine infantry divisions with attached armored units and close air support that rapidly converged on Dhaka, the capital of East Pakistan. Lieutenant General Sagat Singh, who commanded the eighth, twenty-third, and fifty-seventh divisions, led the Indian thrust into East Pakistan. As these forces attacked Pakistani formations, the Indian air force rapidly destroyed the small air contingent in East Pakistan and put the Dhaka airfield out of commission. In the meantime, the Indian navy effectively blockaded East Pakistan. Dhaka fell to combined Indian and Mukti Bahini forces on December 16, bringing a quick end to the war.

Action in the western sector was divided into four segments, from the cease-fire line in Jammu and Kashmir to the marshes of the Rann of Kutch in northwestern Gujarat. On the evening of December 3, the Pakistani army launched ground operations in Kashmir and Punjab. It also started an armored operation in Rajasthan. In Kashmir, the operations were concentrated on two key points, Punch and Chhamb. The Chhamb area witnessed a particularly intense battle where the Pakistanis forced the Indians to withdraw from their positions. In other parts of Kashmir, the Indians made some small gains along the cease-fire line. The major Indian counteroffensive came in the Sialkot-Shakargarh area south and west of Chhamb. There, two Pakistani tank regiments, equipped with United States-made Patton tanks, confronted the Indian First Armored Corps, which had British Centurion tanks. In what proved to be the largest tank battle of the war, both sides suffered considerable casualties.

Though the Indian conduct of the land war on the western front was somewhat timid, the role of the Indian air force was both extensive and daring. During the fourteen-day war, the air force's Western Command conducted some 4,000 sorties. There was little retaliation by Pakistan's air force, partly because of the paucity of non-Bengali technical personnel. Additionally, this lack of retaliation reflected the deliberate decision of the Pakistan Air Force headquarters to conserve its forces because of heavy losses incurred in the early days of the war.


Still POK is unreachable, Future wars will be with Land and also Water, Certain Glaciers should be controilled by India. India looks Bad without the Head, we should try to bring back the Peace in this Land. POK should be Kashmir IOK ... God Help India !



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Re: INDIA paki stan Issue : POK - 26-09-2004, 03:20 PM

I Love India


We all know this issue, but today i came to know its History in detail, I didnt read it fully but first 3 para is really great.

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Re: INDIA paki stan Issue : POK - 26-09-2004, 03:42 PM

Wow man


What a topic, So patriotic !

In this PG i have seen many topic, this one is real special - Why an MBA should post about POK issue, I think ur really patriotic ! Ur Doing MBA ?? how did u get time to find many article and ... what was that GREAT FLASH file.

Where did u get that ??? Great work : I cheer for U one more Karma ! Enjoy

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26-09-2004, 10:20 PM

Guys, I got this question in IIM L interview,What do you think is the solution for Kashmir ?
All Catters shuld keep themselves well versed with these comtemporary issues which u would face during GD/PI.Dont think that u can do that in the little time u get for GD prep.It shud be a continuous process.

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Re: INDIA paki stan Issue : POK - 26-09-2004, 11:53 PM

why forget china, the third player in the kashmir issue??

it has occupid askai-chin, a large part of area 'ceded' by pakistan, bara hoti in uttaranchal n some grazing grounds in himachal pradesh.

i think with regards to kashmir, nehru's policies were absolutely screwed. he lived in a world of his own and was not realistic enough.


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Re: INDIA paki stan Issue : POK - 27-09-2004, 06:39 PM

Hi Guys

Download that attachment to see about Chinas role, Its really amazing !!

I expected more downloads - Very sensitive issue, but it did not attract B-Schoolers!


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01-08-2005, 09:13 PM

Good Post Dude !!

But as long we have spineless politicians at the helm we shall never be able to resolve this issue. We should do to Pakistan what Israel does to Palestine. US keeps asking Israel to practice restrain, but Israel does what is best for their national security, they dont give any heed to US or UN warnings. In the current scenario India is too important to the US and they wouldnt want to screw up their relations with India over the Kashmir issue. If India continues the economic growth for the next 2 decades, we might just see a end to this conflict in the next 10-15 yrs. Provided we have the right kind of leaders.


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01-08-2005, 10:03 PM

pakistan khabristan....

pok should be got back at all costs...pak should be crushed like a fly....
nehru was an ass....he messed it up.....

but we should now set it right.....

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01-08-2005, 11:08 PM

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We should do to Pakistan what Israel does to Palestine. US keeps asking Israel to practice restrain, but Israel does what is best for their national security, they dont give any heed to US or UN warnings.

Just on this one....But, quite literally, am ROFL If what the US tells (even tells is a strong word) can be taken to be a warning, then yes, Israel surely places top priority on its "national security".....No two conflicts in the world are similar...Generalizations would be a travesty on historical causes !!

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Lightbulb 01-08-2005, 11:51 PM

the best solution of this paki problem is to find out some way to educate ppl of pakistan may be that'll make them aware of the development of the world so they may leave this terrorism....

i think its hit and trial method with pakis...we have tried everything with them still we r yet to find a way to tackle this prob...

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ps: u forgot to add one option in the poll 'none of the above'


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