Blasts in India

[Apurv]

Originally Posted by Wynand

Why just blame our pesky neighbours, even the media in our country actively defends organizations such SIMI. Just get hold of Tehelka's SIMI fictions edition. Or read the online version here -

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

Every country has the pinkos ad the Amnesty Internationals. An effective government ignores these voices to do what needs to be done with conviction. Our government lacks the guts just there.

Anyway, am just appalled. Next they have Mumbai and Chennai on the cards. Appeal all puys in Mumbai to avoid the Ganesh visarjan tomorrow.

[sops]

Originally Posted by smilingakash

Wht a disgrace 2 the country....Such counterfeit security we have...Jus months b4 we had 3 cities with similar fate nd warnings 2 the National Capital......
Don jus go on telling tht its difficult 2 curb al dis...Look at US...May b these terrorists get their embassies in XYZ countries....Bt after 2001 no incident within US....Now tht is wat u call a response towards ur citizens.....How wre they impregnable for 7 whole yrs where every year hundreds die nd thousands r injured in r country.....
There wil stil b ministers who 4 votes wil support SIMI nd related organisations nd call forth some illogical minority slogans for f**** votes.....
For these ppl we r just insects dying....I wish wen r parliament was attacked atleast 3-4 corrupt ministers shud hve faced the heat we common ppl face...
May b sum action then wud hve been there...M sure after a facade of 3-4 days ppl wil forget things nd ministers will again 4 votes downpaly r soverignity, r rights nd play in the hand of terrorists which they r gleefuly nd succesfully doing........
I will stil say Jai Hind though it seems outta place dese days......

Politicians are the biggest terrorists............recently few union ministers visited the residence of ahmedabad blast mastermind and condemned his arrest..........Just bcoz of political consumption they are jeopardizing the interest of the nation.........The demography of Assam is changing at an alarming rate but the government is not concernd..............It would have been better had the parliament attack be successful......Our PM lost his sleep when he met Afzal's family but he was not botherd about family of soldiers who lost their lives defending his corrupt colleagues...

[aayush_badmash]

Originally Posted by Wynand

Ayush,

Relevant points but how can we expect the cops to secure every public area and civilian asset? Terrorists are nameless, highly motivated men who can meld with the crowds strike anywhere. As it is Indian police and security forces are overstretched by duties that involve VIP security, disaster relief and are spread too thin. It all also involves the cost of deployment and constant vigilance without a 100% guarantee of success.

The way across would not be by growing back into our shells and becoming insecure and defensive but by raising the bar for enemies of the state. Just for a moment think why no country backs terrorist to attack CHINA. Because if CHINA is attacked, you know what they will do with the country or social/news organization that backed the terrorists

Why just blame our pesky neighbours, even the media in our country actively defends organizations such SIMI. Just get hold of Tehelka's SIMI fictions edition. Or read the online version here -

Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

true, that not every place can be have high level of secuirty..
but there has to be a "basic" level of secirity..
New Delhi, the national capital , CP one of the most busy markets, palika, the oldest and most famous for that matter.. and just 1 police man standing , having a fun time over there..

where r the CCTV cams ??? why weren't they working that time ???
Delhi Police got an email just 5 minutes before the blasts !
see how gutsy there terrorists have become , as they know , nothing will be done against them.
the government will just give compensations to the injured and the dead people, after 2 weeks a new cricket series would come up , every one would forget the tragic terror strikes..

may be i am over reacting.. but u expect this from some one who has just saw blood oozing out of people like water ..!

[gabriel666]

Originally Posted by Wynand

They might have nuclear weapons but they are not exactly the most stable country in the world now. Their President has been clinically declared a mental patient, their social fabric is in tatters and their economy is in a tailspin. All we need to do is effectively encourage anti-establishment elements (Balochistan, MQM, Sindhi seperatists) and the Balkanization will be complete.

And how does a politically unstable Pakistan make India safer? You might want to look at the example of Israel and understand how a unstable neighborhood can ruin a country, we already live in a screwed up neighborhood, messing it up further is not particularly smart.

While I guess encouraging anti establishment forces in Pakistan is fair play (considering Pakistans support to terrorist organisations), I dont think it will achieve anything. Tit for tat games between countries (especially when they are neighbors) have never really worked and usually leads to a prolonged period of hostility (Cold war anyone?).

What I dont understand is why most of our solutions for countering terrorism involve more of external factors (encouraging separatists in Pakistan, or a war with Pakistan) and less of internal factors (fixing our police force, reforming our judiciary or setting up a federal force to tackle terrorism). The reason there hasnt been any attacks on american soil for the past 7 years is not because they fought 2 wars after it but because they were able to completely overhaul their entire security establishment within 46 days of the attacks of 9/11. Isnt this what we should be aiming for.

[Wynand]

Ayush, you made a good point about CCTVs, do you know that every nook and corner of London is caught on some security camera or another. We do have a network of CCTVs in Delhi metro corridors but I will narrate an incident when I walked into Kashmiri Gate station with a haversack without being checked. There were 2-3 guards on duty, just didn't care Similarly in Hyderabad, you can go in and out of IT parks in Madhapur without being checked if you are really smart or lucky. Heavy security is not the same as tight security. We need a dedicated central agency for proactive anti-terrorist intelligence gathering and another force for enforcement duties. Our last government did take some steps in this direction by introducing the NSG (nation security guard) and the CISF (Industrial security force) until the new government fumbled and lost the plot

If you really have witnessed a blast, I have to respect your opinion because you have witness the violence first hand so your reaction must be rightly scaled and measured compared to most of us who watch it being sanitized by Television feed. You are not overreacting, I am sure we are all underreacting, tenderized by our aloofness and sense of security until one day terror comes to our street and loved ones. Today my brother was in Qutub institutional area and my mother asked him to spend the night at his friend's place. So I guess, I mildly understand what people who have being affected feel

[aayush_badmash]

Originally Posted by Wynand

Ayush, you made a good point about CCTVs, do you know that every nook and corner of London is caught on some security camera or another. We do have a network of CCTVs in Delhi metro corridors but I will narrate an incident when I walked into Kashmiri Gate station with a haversack without being checked. There were 2-3 guards on duty, just didn't care Similarly in Hyderabad, you can go in and out of IT parks in Madhapur without being checked if you are really smart or lucky. Heavy security is not the same as tight security. We need a dedicated central agency for proactive anti-terrorist intelligence gathering and another force for enforcement duties. Our last government did take some steps in this direction by introducing the NSG (nation security guard) and the CISF (Industrial security force) until the new government fumbled and lost the plot

If you really have witnessed a blast, I have to respect your opinion because you have witness the violence first hand so your reaction must be rightly scaled and measured compared to most of us who watch it being sanitized by Television feed. You are not overreacting, I am sure we are all underreacting, tenderized by our aloofness and sense of security until one day terror comes to our street and loved ones. Today my brother was in Qutub institutional area and my mother asked him to spend the night at his friend's place. So I guess, I mildly understand what people who have being affected feel

rightly said.. we need special security , a special cell which can handle these kind of terror attacks and prevent these activities...
lets hope these r formed soon.. even if they r , they r made effective and capable to take some affirmative actions against this..

Hope ur brother is safe and sound

[jain.er]

Terrorists are striking at will . They just set their target and achieve . It has been impossible to stop them.

These terrorist are present at each and every place in India , as the time would pass they will stregthen day bu day and ultimately would become very difficult to stop . And our politician will continue with their agenda of vote bank politics and MINORITY APPEASEMENT .

[aayush_badmash]

Originally Posted by jain.er

Terrorists are striking at will . They just set their target and achieve . It has been impossible to stop them.

These terrorist are present at each and every place in India , as the time would pass they will stregthen day bu day and ultimately would become very difficult to stop . And our politician will continue with their agenda of vote bank politics and MINORITY APPEASEMENT .

What r we doing for r safety .??
what r we doing to stop these terror attacks ??


"ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. "
- Inaugural Address by John F. Kennedy - January 20th 1961

[IIM maniac]

This is indeed very disturbing and i believe our govt. must do something for this. So many innocent people are getting killed, it is indeed sad. Delhi and nearby PUYs please take care guys and gals..And we all and our whole country is united and is with you..

Take care,
Ameya

[aayush_badmash]

Originally Posted by IIM maniac

This is indeed very disturbing and i believe our govt. must do something for this. So many innocent people are getting killed, it is indeed sad. Delhi and nearby PUYs please take care guys and gals..And we all and our whole country is united and is with you..

Take care,
Ameya

Thanks a lot Ameya ..

We surely would do and hope that these serial blasts dont hit any other part of the country..