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Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 02:21 PM

Well most of us at some point in time might have pondered on this question....do women have an added advantage of doing an MBA?

Kindly note the below are my personal views

Yes women do have a slight edge during the admissions and placements scenario. The reasons why I see companies and institutions promoting women are

1. By the time women decide to do MBA (non - freshers) most of them have been coaxed or forced to marry. In order to encourage more women to pursue their careers admissions office tend to have a bias towards the fairer sex.

2. The ratio of men to women is skewed in b schools. In order to have a healthy balance and a better perspective in the learning, women are encouraged to join the class.

This cannot be inferred for outright bias. If a situation arises where two students having performed equally well in their admission process, having similar profiles and they have to make a choice....the woman will get preference.

Placement scenarios.
With constant stress on gender equality at work and women performing better than men in some areas, companies are changing their outlook and hiring more women.

Hope we can have a healthy discussion on the same without getting into an ugly discussion.



   
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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 03:11 PM

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1. By the time women decide to do MBA (non - freshers) most of them have been coaxed or forced to marry. In order to encourage more women to pursue their careers admissions office tend to have a bias towards the fairer sex.
is this the reason one should be given. well I guess many guys mom dad also are forcing them then they shd have been given direct entry by now

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2. The ratio of men to women is skewed in b schools. In order to have a healthy balance and a better perspective in the learning, women are encouraged to join the class.
well jst being a womam adds different perspective ..[] isn't it different profiles and different qualities used to do this. We all crib n say women r equal..now is in't it sounds as oxymoron


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This cannot be inferred for outright bias. If a situation arises where two students having performed equally well in their admission process, having similar profiles and they have to make a choice....the woman will get preference.

Placement scenarios.
With constant stress on gender equality at work and women performing better than men in some areas, companies are changing their outlook and hiring more women.
Is it so.. "equally good" ..I guess wld b right terminology. this itself sounds biased . performance is a individual per se term .. It should not be taken in a collective noun sense. Every individual has its own mark..qualities.

Just being girl making u distinguishable beats the whole point of treating men n women equal.

N yeah they r biased to further diversify sex ratio..
I wonder y the girl who use to copy my assignments used to get more marks than me.. is it because she performed better by copying me. or I was a limiting factor in her success..


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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 03:20 PM

This is potential dynamite here. I suppose a slight gender bias does exist in after MBA jobs (in HR, notably).

Personal opinion, mind you. SR's HR thread did change my opinion.

But I would have to say that I don't really think there is a bias while selecting the students. It might exist at mid-rung colleges maybe, but definitely not in the better ones. At IIM-A for example, there are only 20 girls in the batch of 270!!

As Pooja said, there is a high percentage of girls who are sorta forced to get married after their graduation (many in my college!!) So there is a definite lack of girls going in for higher education. Hence, if a few more than the regular negligible number of girls get selected, this might lead to the perception that they have been favoured.


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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 03:21 PM

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is this the reason one should be given. well I guess many guys mom dad also are forcing them then they shd have been given direct entry by now


well jst being a womam adds different perspective ..[] isn't it different profiles and different qualities used to do this. We all crib n say women r equal..now is in't it sounds as oxymoron


Is it so.. "equally good" ..I guess wld b right terminology. this itself sounds biased . performance is a individual per se term .. It should not be taken in a collective noun sense. Every individual has its own mark..qualities.

Just being girl making u distinguishable beats the whole point of treating men n women equal.

N yeah they r biased to further diversify sex ratio..
I wonder y the girl who use to copy my assignments used to get more marks than me.. is it because she performed better by copying me. or I was a limiting factor in her success..
i did not say this to be the sole reason....and i again state....all things being equal in a profile....they are given preference......normally women once married (with the exception of few) would prefer striking a balance at home and work....but very few manage to get to the i want a career attitude.....and hence they should be encouraged....i have not seen a lot of men saying no yaar MBA nahi karna ab shaadi ho gayi hain.....

Women are wired differently biologically....and whether we like it or not have been conditioned to think different and yes they do add a different persepective due to their gender.....

We want equality but we have waited for that for quite some time now....so when we are getting the opportunity to reach the equality mark we are not hesitating to take it....(personal opinion)

I beg to differ when u say performing equally well....some areas we have surpassed you guys in the corporate world....



   
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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 03:25 PM

Although gender bias in any field is unwelcome, it becomes more prominent in B-schools as most of indian B-schools have highly skewed male-female ratios. The foremost reason for this imbalance is parental pressure on girls to get married once they have completed graduation. A guy can graduate, work for 3-4 years and then pursue his MBA but it is a big no-no for a girl to do the same thing as she would be somewhere around 24-25 years old after 3-4 years of work experience. I think parents need to think more liberally, just because a girl is 25 doesn't mean that she should get married, after all she also has some career aspirations. If at 25 parents want to kill the career aspirations of a girl, why bother educating her in first place.

The fact that there are more guys in a b-school than girls proves that boys need to go to b-schools to become good managers while girls are born with manegerial skills.


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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 06:22 PM

Points I would like to bring across:

Please note that these are all experience based points, as I would like to elaborate. None are inferential, just those that I've observed.

1. Marriage v/s MBA. Hmm. Dicey point, this. Two examples come to mind.
One girl, my classmate at MBA. Her parents wanted her to get married immediately after graduation. She wanted a gap of two years. So her parents paid her way to an MQ seat in my class. She got married last month. To a guy in Australia. Where she'll be a housewife. She dropped out of placements midway through the programme before getting placed. My points here:
A, if you are doing a course just to gain time before marriage, why do an MBA? There are more deserving people who need to do an MBA. By paying her way through, didn't she waste that seat?
B. Ditto, during the placement programme. By not signing out early, she blocked the progress of others who could have made it to a shortlist had she not been there. Those companies that had a cap on the first shortlist for GDs, by taking her in, made someone else more deserving of that job drop out. Not their fault, they did not know of her intentions.
C. For herself - hasn't she wasted those two years in doing a course that may not be quite helpful to her? Face it, she's going to be a housewife in Australia. What need for an MBA except for that extra weight in a marriage resume? I know, this fact is a bit unparliamentary to state, but still, doesn't it exist?

The second example I am stating goes on to prove that the Marriage trap exists for men as well, not just for women. An old classmate of mine, from my Diploma days, just enrolled himself in the Dubai/Singapore MBA programme of SPJ. He'd spoken to me prior to applying, so we stayed in touch through the process. His status is that he wants to get married - but not now. May be a year, year and a half down the line. His mother started forcing him to get married. She's like, you're ready, earning well. You've selected a girl (his gf, obviously, and his mom's ok with that) and even she is of age. So why are you waiting? Get married. So, to take some time that he needs, as well as get himself an MBA, he is now doing his year long course. Not that he doesn't want to do an MBA. He does. I mentioned this here coz the timing of his MBA in his life was at a juncture discussed here. As well as the fact that the marriage trap is existing for 'him', rather than 'her'.

2. Skewed Ratios. Hmm. I hope you guys know the fundae behind shortlists & GD/PI processes. (What am I thinking, of course you do ) Ok. Here's the example.
In our GD/PI process (SIBM Admissions 2006) we had an x number of girls. The normative conversion ratio was 1:10. Due to a separate Marcom course, which somehow is a preferred course for girls (ask MICAns ) this final number was higher, and we ended up with some 70 odd girls in a batch of about 200.
Next year, SIBM Admissions 2007, the number of girls that made it through the cutoffs and ended up for the GD/PI was nearly 90. That's just 20 more than our final number. The number of girls in our immediate junior batch is close to 30~40. Is there a skew here? I doubt.
Now the catch comes here. The number of girls that made it to SIBM Admissions 2008 GD/PI? hmm... Close to 50 only. I don't have the number for the final conversions.
My contention here is this. If girls don't apply, or are smart enough to make the cutoff at each stage, even if there is a skew towards them in the GD/PI, its not going to help the female gender at all.

Again, I don't have a direct opinion on this. I just had these three cases in front of me, so decided to put them here. Pro-feminists and MCPs (Male Chauvinistic Persons, not the hog variety) may use them to stake their claims of superiority based on them, but fact remains, these I have seen. There may be many more.

Standard Disclaimers apply. The words pro-feminist & MCP are used as extreme variations of both sides, and are used in jest. Not to be taken as anything except lightly. I do not have any opinions about anything stated above, except for the first example. I personally did not like the girl's attitude towards life and MBA, and hence my opinion of the girl herself is not in the good category. The example, hence, will display this deviation.

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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 06:56 PM

Cant speak much from experience as havent been B-tagged till now so solely on my observations:
1) since most of the people appearing for mba entrances are from IT ( atleast in pune,bang) and their managers prefers them not to wrk on wkends,late nights dey get more time to study than the guys hence get an initial edge in cat ( some part of this is comin coz am still sitting in office on friday night )
2) after 20 suited up guys having same work profile and engg bck grnd if the interviewer in B-schools face a girl they actually strt listening and find her as better than the rest of the soporific applicants.
3) Interviewers know they industry wants to equate the ratios in their workforce( like grondmaster pointed out) they want to take them in as they know this bunch will eventually help in placements ( am i drunk !!!)
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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 07:05 PM

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3) Interviewers know they industry wants to equate the ratios in their workforce( like grondmaster pointed out)
Did I say that? I think you've mistaken someone else's posts for mine
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enugh from a frustrated view ( some of this frustration comes after grond's revelations of sibm as i'll be joinin it and my hopes have drowned)
Aw... is it so? I'm so sorry ... Anyways, don't worry. SIBM's not the only one shifting to the new campus. SIMC too is.

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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 07:17 PM

most of the highly qualified men generally dont want women with career ambitions as they want much money as they earning good themselvesso they look more of gals who can devote ample time in home.the fact is that corporate life is way too hard and tiresome , even men find it nervebreaking and exhuasting most of times, women can never manage home and office after marriagehence still aftet these mnc jobs girls which are school teachers etc are still in the highest demand.and i think b school dont favour galsw or boys its just that very few gals try for mba and give multiple attempts like boysits normally 1 attempt for them since after 24 women start having trouble good men
   
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Re: Gender Bias in MBA Admissions - 30-05-2008, 11:36 PM

I think girls do have an edge right from selection to campus placement...
First off all look at the ratio in which girls/boys apply for CAT. Hopefully no of girls must be pretty less as compared to guys. Then to keep the class diversity colleges do prefer to keep atleast one girl in each study group (group of 4-5 students, atleast my coll. (Great Lakes) do have this rule and as per my knowledge same goes with IIM's and other schools as well). If one remembers last year someone from IIM has released a statement that they would prefer more girls as presently very less no of girls are making it to B-Schools. So everywhere it is happening that girls are preffered.

Now in GD if a girls speak then generally janata listens... it is a different kind of effect... and as my TIME prof used to say if girl is good lookng and put up good points group is supposed to listen... who dont wanna that 30 second break facing directly a beautiful face
In PI as I previously said, girls are preferred to maintain if not healthy then a decent ratio... and thats good in a way...

Similar is the case in campus placement as well... I have read this in one of the MBA story kind of fiction (based on true story written by an IIM alumni). What book claims is that the persons who come to recruit are again the MBA's (generally) and due to scarcity of rare gender in management area they definitely prefer the girls... make sense in a way isnt it

I dont believe the marriage thing explained above fully... My class do have many married girls (of course this is the class of all exp people having 3-4 years of avg exp) and I havent found a single one who is doing MBA just to postpone marriage...

To sum up... I believe that Gals do have edge however that is good for industry and nation as a whole.
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