Global Warming and everything Environmental!

[knightofwar]

Originally Posted by catapult

Well said Chicane! Apart from talking about the issue its also important to discuss what you/we should do going forward.

We all know what a big menace plastic is for our environment. Yes, there are recycling methods for plastic but imagine the cost in terms of resources that go in to recycle those). So, I guess its best to avoid using them. Especially the ones you get from your local shopkeeper aren't of good quality are not considered for recycling. And I believe not all of the plastic we use goes to recycling. Most of it is still land-filled manually or naturally.
Keeping this in mind, I refuse to accept plastic bags most of the times when I go to shopping. I know its tough not to use them, but if you have one, make sure you ask the guy not to give another cover. I know most of us know this, but still re-iterating here so that we realise its importance. Its best to use paper bags for general shopping & buy 'thailas' for your vegetable shopping.

Just some thoughts to keep this thread going.

A very well said point catapult, which was missed in the earlier discussion as global warming appeared to be bigger topic! For me, i got this learning from my dad...whenever he goes to buy vegetables or anything, he takes 3-4 big carry bags with him, and never takes polythene bags from the shopkeeper...wat an idea sir ji
Also,i guess thr is some sweeper assigned to our colony/apartment area to clean the area,and take the garbage to a proper place, which somehow doesn't happen in many cases,we can talk to the sweeper or may launch a complaint,believe me, its only one time task and u will cherish that u did it...because generally what he/she(sweeper) does is-collect the garbage and throw it in some nearby empty plot, which doesn't serve the purpose to achieve clean environment.
Keep pouring your views puys
Cheers,
KOW

[Ashwath Bereke]

Hey puys,

This video has a 12 year old girl addressing a UN Meeting on issue of environment

YouTube - The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes .

It’s worth every minute of it.Do watch it.

[sumitrocks]

Ashwath, that's a great video, and talking of videos also reminds me of Linkin Park's video for the song 'What I've Done.' It can be viewed here.

One can read more about the clips used in the video here.

Actually, the video doesn't just deal with environmental issues, it also has social and political evils being depicted. Do write back and let me know if it is relevant, if not, I'll delete this post.

[Ashwath Bereke]

Originally Posted by sumitrocks

Actually, the video doesn't just deal with environmental issues, it also has social and political evils being depicted. Do write back and let me know if it is relevant, if not, I'll delete this post.

Thanks Sumit for the video.It indeed is relevant .

Now we know how serious an issue climate change is we have to change the way we live else the coming generations have no one to blame, but us.

The following video shows the destruction caused by cyclone Nargis in Myanmar:

YouTube - Myanmar (Burma) shocking pictures (Viewer discretion advised)

After effects of Earthquake in China:

YouTube - China earthquake aftermath - victims & rescue

[betanumber1_2000]

Global warming and its repercussions are a well accepted fact today. The US is bombarded from all sides for not having ratified the Kyoto Protocol. To argue against the views of Al Gore or the IPCC would be suicidal. Hurricanes, storms, earthquakes, famines, floods, forest fires, extreme weather conditions abound everywhere. Water is scarce, food is at a premium, epidemics will rise, species will become extinct, forests will disappear. Icebergs will melt, islands will be inundated, coastal regions will disappear...
What is the world coming to???

Are you scared? Don't worry, you are only human.

I have just finished reading a wonderful book: State of Fear by Michael Crichton
I have stated below a few conclusions made by the author in the book and I quote(emphasis mine):

• We know astonishingly little about every aspect of the environment, from its past history, to its present state. In every debate, all sides overstate the extent of existing knowledge and its degree of certainty.
• Nobody knows how much warming will occur in the next century. We can't "assess" the future, nor can we "predict" it. We can only guess. An informed guess is still just a guess
• I think for anyone to believe in impending resource scarcity, after two hundred years of such false alarms is kind of weird.
• Most environmental principles have the effect of preserving the economic advantages of the West and thus constitute modern imperialism toward the developing world. It is a nice way of saying "We got ours and we don't want you to get yours"

[the_egonomist]

Originally Posted by betanumber1_2000

• in every debate, all sides overstate the extent of existing knowledge and its degree of certainty.

Fear is what motivates change. Fear could be anything the fear of price, violence, etc.

Consider this:
Alternate 1
You tell a smoker he is going to die the next time he smokes. His body cant take it anymore.

Alternate 2
You explain him the whole process of how cancer develops and how maybe in 10 years you may die.

Which do you think would convince the person?

There are a lot of exaggeration's as to any claim. As for the kind of pollution we pump into the air - we can atleast learn from the mistakes of the West and ensure that we dont have to learn that by committing our very own mistakes. Its just being sensible.

Cheers.

[willsurelywin]

Originally Posted by Ashwath Bereke

Hey puys,

This video has a 12 year old girl addressing a UN Meeting on issue of environment

YouTube - The girl who silenced the world for 5 minutes .

It’s worth every minute of it.Do watch it.

wow well said
thats what i fear by 2020 things will be so scarce hence expensive how will people survive?
HIgh time some basic tings be adoped

1) used electric/solar vehicle
2) dont waste food
3) dont waste electricity
4) try increase greenry and plants
5) stop wars
6) stop cutting forests

and for god sake dont waste money now for small time thrills , money will be very very imp in the future ...

US is struggling , in india we r immune due to oil prices not rising hence economy is ok and all shing and gungho.

letys wait for elections to get over and oil rise by 50% , truth of indian eco will be out in the open...

6 months 2 go the countdown begins

[nikhilkulk]

Moved the thread to Chit-Chat Section

Touching Lives section is meant for slightly different things than this

Cheers,

Nikhil

[the_egonomist]

Originally Posted by nikhilkulk

Moved the thread to Chit-Chat Section

Touching Lives section is meant for slightly different things than this

Cheers,

Nikhil

Point noted. The thread has moved in a different direction than what I initially thought of.

Thanks.

Cheers.

[betanumber1_2000]

Originally Posted by the_egonomist

Fear is what motivates change. Fear could be anything the fear of price, violence, etc.

Consider this:
Alternate 1
You tell a smoker he is going to die the next time he smokes. His body cant take it anymore.

Alternate 2
You explain him the whole process of how cancer develops and how maybe in 10 years you may die.

Which do you think would convince the person?

There are a lot of exaggeration's as to any claim. As for the kind of pollution we pump into the air - we can atleast learn from the mistakes of the West and ensure that we dont have to learn that by committing our very own mistakes. Its just being sensible.

Cheers.

Point taken. Don't get me wrong. I'm a nature-lover myself. Nobody likes pollution.

But the point I was trying to make is this: Climate Science is not something that is easily understood, not even by the best of scientists. What if the claims one makes are not entirely based on hard facts? What if the information is distorted? Isn't it blatantly unethical to spread false alarms when we do not know enough?

Here's a quick example: How many glaciers are there in the world? 200? 500?
Ans: There are close to 160,000 glaciers in the world. Of which only 67,000 have been catalogued and only a few hundred have been studied in detail.

Looks like I'm alone on this side of the fence . But the sun should never set upon an argument.