Leaders or Followers

[The Last d'anconia]

have been struggling with this thought from quite some time.

We have some great B schools in India claiming that they train some of the world class corporate Leaders.But r they really making Leaders or Just efficient followers?

Have seen some superiors of mine who r from the great B SChools. yeah they r successful, they meet their numbers, they r called performers.....but but.....what r they doing?

r they leading or following?

i found most of them panicky and emotional. they shout on ppl, their carry an attitude around them, they dont inspire ppl , .......do try to frighten ppl, they clamour for attention and respect......do v call them Leaders????

most of these guys r performing well and consistently because they adhere to a successful model created by someone else who z really innovative, talented and has a bit of ingenuity....

so, does it boil down to one thing...that....

B schools r training more followers than leaders.

so, i think itz better v call them corporate executives rather than corporate Leaders.


buddies ....wat do ya say??????

[puneet]

Originally Posted by SURYA

i found most of them panicky and emotional. they shout on ppl, their carry an attitude around them, they dont inspire ppl , .......do try to frighten ppl, they clamour for attention and respect......do v call them Leaders????

well surya , welcome to the real world ... best of b schools "train" thier students to be the best in the buisness ... but dude , when u have worked for seriouslly long time ( years ) in companies and if they r from say iims , they are destined to see that the job gets done because they know the attitude of the other people in their company , so its natural i guess ... so do we call them leaders ... it depends on u if they are to be called leaders , hell i refer to my seniors in the company with their names and not SIR or Mr so n so although im half the age to many of them depends on you ... all the best

[Absolutely Agent]

arent u confusing an entrepreneur with a manager ?


Gautam

[The Last d'anconia]

Originally Posted by Absolutely Agent

arent u confusing an entrepreneur with a manager ?


Gautam

no buddy......

i am talking abt the managers who r supposed to be innovative.

watz the big deal in solving the problems in usual manner ...do u need MBAs for that...ne one can do that with optimum training and information....

i am talking abt ppl who r consistently innovative and try to look at problems with a different perspective ..and offer efficient solutions...

PS: Efficient ....errr...i dont mean the normal efficiency....

u shd be able to improve upon ur last solution....

if u offer the same thing everytime...watz great in that.....

seen some ppl with that kinda attitude....i call them Leaders....they inspire u with their ingenuity.....

cheers....

[hardworker]

In fact u have raised a very pertinent question and I agree 100 % that yes u can only evolve as a Manager in B-Schools , they just hone your skills they can't teach u leadership , it has to come from within. But yes the grind of the B-schools usually does the trick to make a person more mature and alert rather than taking things at face value. In my personal opinion , doing an MBA from a good B-School does not necessarily secure your future, it is your attitude that matters.

[CatZapped]

Not everyone can be a leader. Irrespective of which B-School you attend, there are certain characteristic traits that influence the way you act and react.



The reality is that the B-Schools provide knowledge, not necessarily a guarantee of changing 'you,' into an individual who constantly acts in a creative, confident and flexible manner.


There appears an immediate generalization made that just because some people are not leaders and are followers that they are losers. Incorrect. Incorrect. Incorrect. Followers in many cases are the backbone of the wild project. So it is essential that we appreciate the fact that people are not homogenous in nature but are a mosaic of unique qualities.

[devil_bychoice_ofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Last d'anconia

have been struggling with this thought from quite some time.

We have some great B schools in India claiming that they train some of the world class corporate Leaders.But r they really making Leaders or Just efficient followers?

Have seen some superiors of mine who r from the great B SChools. yeah they r successful, they meet their numbers, they r called performers.....but but.....what r they doing?

r they leading or following?

i found most of them panicky and emotional. they shout on ppl, their carry an attitude around them, they dont inspire ppl , .......do try to frighten ppl, they clamour for attention and respect......do v call them Leaders????

most of these guys r performing well and consistently because they adhere to a successful model created by someone else who z really innovative, talented and has a bit of ingenuity....

so, does it boil down to one thing...that....

B schools r training more followers than leaders.

so, i think itz better v call them corporate executives rather than corporate Leaders.


buddies ....wat do ya say??????

Hey Guys,

I might try to answer that, and present what may be considered my views with regard to the topic.

Taking the bull by its horns, or as we might like to put it; a CAT by its whiskers, what B-Schools do is, they look for a select niche of people, people who have the basic ingredients for a dish, but require the touch of a master chef. Ofcourse, it can be considered a kind of prudishness to look for people of a particular kind, but its very obvious U cannot think of making Fish Curry without the fish can U?

As the issue we are dealing with here, I'd like to say, what ur getting tangled with is the difference between the terms "Leaders" and "Extra Ordinary Leaders". Given the example of a newbie, just out of a B-School, U don't expect him to join as the Managing Head of a Multi Million Dollar Organisation, just like that. Even leadership is a process of evolution, everybody has to move with the flow, take part in every little process, then only his potential in every aspect can be verified.

Leadership is mostly natural, we've already seen greatest natural leaders like Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi. But it can be in abundance in somebody, and in its infancy in somebody. So what U can expect a B-School to do is nurture whatever Leadership the person has, and direct in a particular positive direction. And then it is on the individual himself, to carry his mast as far as he can.

Small Leaders have Bigger Leaders over them and they also have the biggest over them, so its like a heirarchy. For a Corporate Executive, leadership is a part of the package, U don't want them to motivate all the time, in the end he has to get the job done, by hook or by crook, if he does that by ordering or carrying his attitude around that's his managing or leadership style. U cannot aim to get both the attributes of Gandhi Ji's ahimsa and Subhash Chandra Bose's "Tum Mujhe Khoon Do, Main tumhe Azaadi Dunga" in a single person, can U?

I might finish it like this,
Consider ur office like an Army. Ur a soldier, U have a Captain over U, who orders U around. Whereas the Captain has the Commander to command him. The way the Commander gets the things done by his Captains may or may not be the same, the way the Captain gets things done by the soldiers. And even though the Captain knows all the skills the Commander possess, but he has to move up the ranks gaining experience, becoming battle ready by the time he has to take the reins of the Army.

So when U come out of a B-School, ur the Captain, U may or may not progress one day to become the Commander. So the B-schools can give U the direction but not walk with U. So, B-Schools create both Corporate Executives and Corporate Leaders, its just U and ur will in the end.

Cheers,
Nikhil

[phi_davinci]

i will jus say, will said dude..cudnt b put in better words... hats off to you!!!!

Originally Posted by devil_bychoice_ofcourse

Hey Guys,

I might try to answer that, and present what may be considered my views with regard to the topic.

Taking the bull by its horns, or as we might like to put it; a CAT by its whiskers, what B-Schools do is, they look for a select niche of people, people who have the basic ingredients for a dish, but require the touch of a master chef. Ofcourse, it can be considered a kind of prudishness to look for people of a particular kind, but its very obvious U cannot think of making Fish Curry without the fish can U?

As the issue we are dealing with here, I'd like to say, what ur getting tangled with is the difference between the terms "Leaders" and "Extra Ordinary Leaders". Given the example of a newbie, just out of a B-School, U don't expect him to join as the Managing Head of a Multi Million Dollar Organisation, just like that. Even leadership is a process of evolution, everybody has to move with the flow, take part in every little process, then only his potential in every aspect can be verified.

Leadership is mostly natural, we've already seen greatest natural leaders like Jesus Christ, Mahatma Gandhi. But it can be in abundance in somebody, and in its infancy in somebody. So what U can expect a B-School to do is nurture whatever Leadership the person has, and direct in a particular positive direction. And then it is on the individual himself, to carry his mast as far as he can.

Small Leaders have Bigger Leaders over them and they also have the biggest over them, so its like a heirarchy. For a Corporate Executive, leadership is a part of the package, U don't want them to motivate all the time, in the end he has to get the job done, by hook or by crook, if he does that by ordering or carrying his attitude around that's his managing or leadership style. U cannot aim to get both the attributes of Gandhi Ji's ahimsa and Subhash Chandra Bose's "Tum Mujhe Khoon Do, Main tumhe Azaadi Dunga" in a single person, can U?

I might finish it like this,
Consider ur office like an Army. Ur a soldier, U have a Captain over U, who orders U around. Whereas the Captain has the Commander to command him. The way the Commander gets the things done by his Captains may or may not be the same, the way the Captain gets things done by the soldiers. And even though the Captain knows all the skills the Commander possess, but he has to move up the ranks gaining experience, becoming battle ready by the time he has to take the reins of the Army.

So when U come out of a B-School, ur the Captain, U may or may not progress one day to become the Commander. So the B-schools can give U the direction but not walk with U. So, B-Schools create both Corporate Executives and Corporate Leaders, its just U and ur will in the end.

Cheers,
Nikhil