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Recession...how bad is it? - 21-03-2008, 10:15 AM

Hello All,

I am starting this thread to have a constructive discussion about recession fears that are currently plaguing the Indian IT industry.....hiring has stopped and employees are not getting stellar hikes in salaries.....the US crisis is said to spread to other sectors too....in this context....what do you think would be the duration of this recession? How bad is it going to be?....How will affect recruitment in the top tier, middle ones and the lesser known b schools...say the ones that are in the top 30 in the Pagalguy rankings.....

Myself, I have a convert from Great Lakes Institute of Management....and I am waiting for other results.....this discussion will help me make an informed decision.....
   
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Cool Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 21-03-2008, 03:16 PM

well the situation is much more serious and grave then people as of now think . USA is in one of the worst troubles and talks of going into ECONOMIC DEPRESSION like 1929.

Now coming to IT SECTOR and its implications of the overall economy

1) 70% of IT revenues comes from USA so thats a big problem as of now
2) IT companies have put joinings on hold for min 1yr even indefinite period
3) Each year lakhs of Btechs pass out god knows how can they be absorbed
4) Forget about new recruitments tcs, ibm r sacking people .
I mean when YAHOO sacked people it was a sure recipe of disaster in the making since yahoo recruits the best i guess
5) Even payhikes will be less than 10% for the next may yrs in IT

all in all i just cant see a person lasting in IT or make a long term career in this field..

arrey yaar lets me put it straight like in stock market terms(since me a investor)

These companies are doing simple ARBITRAGE between US/INDIAN wage rates. Yaar after 5-6 years anyhow new places like brazil,chile,vietnam will emerge and all the work will be outsourced from there .
Its a hard fact but then its true ...

ALSO i am not sure on this one since i dont follow us politics one bit but someone told me that if DEMOCARATIC PARTY comes into power next year all this outsourcing work will be stopped anyhow( i am not sure on this though).........

Now lets come to the effect of IT sector downfall on indian economy

1) IT was the pioneer of indias growth story from 2003-2007 end rt

2) Due to IT we saw real estate picking up, tourism, travel, plane tickets being sold, Hotels being booked all this

3) PVt banks made hay while selling loans(personal/car/home/credit) to these young professionals who mostly were also a lil reckless and most of them anticipating huge payhikes took loans and now in deep shit/debt. Forget hikes jobs are not secure.

4) Now all these banks like icici/hdfc etc will see huge bad loans/npa in all loans

5) Real estate prices may just completely crash in banglore/NCR since here what we have is just OUTSOURCING...


fInally the job market , employment scene in india will take a beating due the above mentioned factors.....( all these kpo in equity will evaporate)

U R RT in india impact will be more than that in the USA...

god help us all ...


PS: U KNOW THATS WHY I SOMETIMES CRIB , coz i know my future and career is not 100% safe , i dont have that CA tag/icwa/cs/ mba from top 5 b-school ...


lets see people r hopeful but i know the worst is yet to come and really bad it is going to be , IT sector sabko le doobega.
people have taken things and their job for granted for far long from last 3 yrs ...sabko 4-5 lakhs ke job mil rahe hai na isliye sab maze me hai(cars,bikes,mobiles,i pods bas , pvr, pizzahut ...... savings to koi karta hi nahi bhai...)


note: i know people working in crisil/rbi so many of my views r theirs .
any counter agreements are invited

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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 22-03-2008, 07:29 PM

I am no expert in this but from the many sources I read the following are my inferences.

Boom and bust are part and parcel of markets.
We never had any complaints when we had a looong boom rally.The current downfall in market is due to N number of reasons, and it is bound to fall still further and may last atleast for 2 years.

well am writing from a stock market trader perspective.The following are reasons which are responsible for crash in stock markets.
(a) Govt Unstable
(b) Election soon
(c) IIP Data Very bad
(d) Inflation figures bad
(e) Dollar Weakens against Yen
(f) Crude high
(h) Precious Metals High
(i) Low Trading Volumes
(j) Sub Prime Crisis
(k) Japan Growth in recession
(l) Company's Forex/Metal Hedging results not good
(m) Results Season ahead for the Financial Year
(n) Negative bias all over....NO POSITIVE CLUES......

just last week we had the bear sterns fire sale which pulled down markets all over the world. but last thursday results from big firms like lehman bros and goldman sachs got some life back in markets, but the long term sentiment is downward.

Now coming to jobs,salaries
This is the right time to go for MBA education. your 2 years will be best utilised.by the time you pass out the recession will be cooled off.There will be some major company born by then. I read some article which says every recession gives birth to some major companies ex;MicroSoft,Google etc.

This is time when quality will be valued.Companies will try to keep people who perform well, all those who get in with fake docs,exp will be kicked out.
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Unhappy Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 23-03-2008, 10:04 AM

i dont agree with u that this is a good time to do an mba coz after 2 yrs USA will come out of depression.
But in these 2 years coz of the depression there will be lots of unemployment and there will be huge backlog .

i feel the same 2003 arean is coming where a job of 20k was very hard to find.

Again the same old theory will apply

do btech from top colleges/ mba from top 10 b school/ CA/ICWA/CS etc
or be prepared to work for peanuts or even without jobs.

The prob has been that last 4 years everybody got jobs easily and many people took it for granted and dint study hard..

But now very very tough times are ahead. We will keep hearing bad news one after the other now
   
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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 13-04-2008, 10:54 PM

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Hello All,

I am starting this thread to have a constructive discussion about recession fears that are currently plaguing the Indian IT industry.....hiring has stopped and employees are not getting stellar hikes in salaries.....the US crisis is said to spread to other sectors too....in this context....what do you think would be the duration of this recession? How bad is it going to be?....How will affect recruitment in the top tier, middle ones and the lesser known b schools...say the ones that are in the top 30 in the Pagalguy rankings.....

Myself, I have a convert from Great Lakes Institute of Management....and I am waiting for other results.....this discussion will help me make an informed decision.....
hey dude,
so r u in for Glakes? what have u decided?
   
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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 14-04-2008, 03:33 PM

My three cents!

For USA it all started with the Sub-Prime crisis. For india it all started with the rupee appreciation. Now are they two related? Partly yes.

Apart from US crisis, rupee appreciated because India suffered from Dutch disease. In 1960s when Netherlands discoverd huge oil reserves in its backyard, it kept exporting oil to the other countries. Hence there was lot of new demand for the Netherland's currency. When there is a huge demand for something, its value goes up.

Exactly same thing happened with India. Our exports have increased(currently $155b). There was demand for rupee in the international market. Hence the value of rupee appreciated.

Now another reason is Sub-prime crisis. How did it affect the rupee?

Due to credit crunch following the sub-prime crisis, the federal chief was forced to reduce the fed rate. When you reduce the interest rates, the value of that particular currency comes down for the simple reason that that particular currency becomes more accessible. Hence dollar depriciated against all the currencies in the world. This helps US export more goods helping it revitalize the sagging domestic industry. The entire world gets incetivized to import more from USA on account of cheaper dollar. The dollar is being made cheaper deliberately. Hence rupee appreciated against dollar though it didn't with other currencies such as Euro and Pound.

Now what are the implications of this credit crunch?

Very unfortunately, now the entire world is suffering from another problem which the current credit crunch has no relation with. That is soaring food prices. This on account of completely different reasons like diversion of food crops for bio fuel production, rising oil prices etc. If the inflation wasn't so high, the world economy would have been brought on main course with more ease. Now chiefs of central banks are completely helpless since their only tool of putting more money in the hands of people to avoid credit crunch would not be helpful. Since such a step would fuel inflation even trigger serious agitations over soaring prices from the poor sections especially Africa. Now we can already see nation-level protests in Hiati. They are the most dangerous forms of protests. Even weapons of mast destructions can't stop them! After all its about food.

But despite that the Fed has gone ahead with the interest rate cuts since it's more important for it to come out of crisis. Hence the inflation has gone up to 4.03%(latest) but growth has been around 0.6% rendering real growth to -3.4%. This means the purchasing power of dollar is coming down and poor would feel the crunch soon. But US has got the best mechanism to address their concerns since every one has got a Social Security Number and it knows how much their incomes are.

Now in india, the interest rates stand at 7.75%. If we reduce the interest rates, the money becomes cheaper since it would become more accessible and that sends the inflation northward reducing the purchasing power of the poor.
But increasing the interest rate has even worse problem. Then the money becomes even more difficult to get by thus making the industrial production go southward. You ask why? For example would you buy a car when the interest rate is 20% as against the usual 15%? No. Hence the industry cuts down its production after seeing the market interest rates. And one more interesting thing is even industry needs credit to produce goods. Even TATAs need credit to produce goods. They don't have any savings accounts! What ever profits they make will be distributed in the form of dividends, salaries and the rest to feedback investment. This fedback investment would hardly be used to produce goods. This is basically to upgrade machinery, set up a new plant etc but not to produce more goods. Here using credit from banks makes more sense for them. Hence either way, high interest rates have an adverse impact on the industry and thus the economy as a whole. Now since the production has come down, think of an assembly line worker. Most probably few of them should get sacked since there is not much production. Now the unemployment goes northward. This is not good either.

So almost all the central banks are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. That is the very reason why RBI didn't change its stance from the current 7.75%. Its hoping a miracle would happen and show it the way!

One best option is to reduce the interest rates for quick stimulation and then immediately suck out that money from the system. But this may not be simple .



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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 14-04-2008, 03:34 PM

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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 15-04-2008, 12:25 AM

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will this recession effect marketing guys especially marketing of financial services?
   
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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 15-04-2008, 01:09 AM

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My three cents!

w it the way!

One best option is to reduce the interest rates for quick stimulation and then immediately suck out that money from the system. But this may not be simple .
dude, a well written post. nice analysis.
It's so difficult to run a country ... where we have different people with different demands, sometimes each contradicting.
you have explained the interest part really well.
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Re: Recession...how bad is it? - 15-04-2008, 10:30 AM

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hey
will this recession effect marketing guys especially marketing of financial services?
From what I believe marketing of generaly products will not suffer but financial services industries will be severely affected. This is due to the fact that financial services is a high level tertiary industry. That will also have an impact on marketing of financial serevices.

But marketing of FMCG or other products may be better off.


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