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View Poll Results: Which of the following driver is likely to win the F1 championship?
Kimi 84 62.22%
Hamilton 32 23.70%
Massa 5 3.70%
Alanso 12 8.89%
Button 1 0.74%
Kovalainen 0 0%
Nelson Piquet Jr 0 0%
Other 1 0.74%
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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 11:04 AM

I could quit Renault, says Alonso

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula One | I could quit Renault, says Alonso
Interesting.....the quote that caught my attention:

"But I have an option to leave so I can be in the best possible car, and it is clear Ferrari is one of the best."

So Kimi and Alonso - Ferrari dream team anyone?


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 11:14 AM

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I could quit Renault, says Alonso

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula One | I could quit Renault, says Alonso
Interesting.....the quote that caught my attention:

"But I have an option to leave so I can be in the best possible car, and it is clear Ferrari is one of the best."

So Kimi and Alonso - Ferrari dream team anyone?
kimi and alonso in ferrari...no ways...as far i m concerned this is the best ferrari team after schumi and massa...kimi and massa form a good pair...alonso caused trouble in mclaren and there is a possibility that he may cause the same in ferrari as well...so no no for alonso and ferrari...


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 11:18 AM

i agree i agree... Alonso is a big No No... the guy is truble.. not this season anyway.. let him come down to reality, driving a bad car.. i dont think he will survive in F1 fr too long anyway..
Ferrari could do really well with Hamilton though.. Wotsay.. i think its time fr hamilton to get a taste of scarlet?


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 12:13 PM

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i agree i agree... Alonso is a big No No... the guy is truble.. not this season anyway.. let him come down to reality, driving a bad car.. i dont think he will survive in F1 fr too long anyway..
Ferrari could do really well with Hamilton though.. Wotsay.. i think its time fr hamilton to get a taste of scarlet?
Massa is no match for Alonso as a driver….

Have you all forgotten that Alonso is a two time champion …that too in the Schumacher era? He had won races against the great Schumi not only due to a good car but also his excellent driving.
Everyone is raving about Kimi now, but how much did he achieve when Schumacher was around?

As for the troubles with Alonso, I personally feel that a major part (not condoning him for his part) of the blame lies with the Maclaren team. They just couldn’t handle a rookie.
Alonso would naturally react as he was an established driver who wasn’t getting the treatment he deserved. If they believed that Hamilton was as good as or better than Alonso…then why did they sign Alonso in the first place? They knew what they were getting into when they signed him up. He has a fiery temper and can get restless at times.

At Ferrari, I am sure that he will adapt better and work as a team. He will know that he has a proven driver against him and not an unknown rookie. He will adapt accordingly.

Fernando Alonso is a racing driver with passion…..F1 needs him more than an ‘Iceman’

And Hamilton will be going no where….Maclaren will never leave him.


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 12:15 PM

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i agree i agree... Alonso is a big No No... the guy is truble.. not this season anyway.. let him come down to reality, driving a bad car.. i dont think he will survive in F1 fr too long anyway..
Ferrari could do really well with Hamilton though.. Wotsay.. i think its time fr hamilton to get a taste of scarlet?
totally hamilton can work wonders for ferrari ..he in his debut season has shown the class he is made of..he is a future prospect for f1.. but the possibility of him leaving mclaren any time soon is very less ...so as of now kimi and massa for ferrari.....go kimi...


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 12:29 PM

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Massa is no match for Alonso as a driver….

Have you all forgotten that Alonso is a two time champion …that too in the Schumacher era? He had won races against the great Schumi not only due to a good car but also his excellent driving.
Everyone is raving about Kimi now, but how much did he achieve when Schumacher was around?

As for the troubles with Alonso, I personally feel that a major part (not condoning him for his part) of the blame lies with the Maclaren team. They just couldn’t handle a rookie.
Alonso would naturally react as he was an established driver who wasn’t getting the treatment he deserved. If they believed that Hamilton was as good as or better than Alonso…then why did they sign Alonso in the first place? They knew what they were getting into when they signed him up. He has a fiery temper and can get restless at times.

At Ferrari, I am sure that he will adapt better and work as a team. He will know that he has a proven driver against him and not an unknown rookie. He will adapt accordingly.

Fernando Alonso is a racing driver with passion…..F1 needs him more than an ‘Iceman’

And Hamilton will be going no where….Maclaren will never leave him.
The problem with a 'fiery temper' is that the internal disputes increase many fold inside a team. I believe tht last year Mclaren had 2 gr8 drivers, when they were hoping for just 1.. And even with both hamilton and alonso, they couldnt drive either to championship.. Mclaren was on top, but the spy scandal is another story altogether..
The question is, can any team survive 2 prospective champions? Massa and Kimi are gelling well, but another championship material driver could do the team good..
But, even if any one of the two master drivers are 'fiery', the disputes increase a lot.. so, what i believe is, Hamilton is much better than Alonso for the team... If not massa, then somebody better.. maybe Hamilton..
All i am saying is that Alonso+ Kimi wont work.. And, all the F1 critics would be shouting foul... Wouldnt Ferrari be sure of getting the Team crown? Ferrari dominance.. blah blah?
We are just out of the dominance phase, people are beginning to like it.. i say we let it be for the time being...
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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 12:40 PM

same point ...gr8 drivers will not necessarily result in gr8 team...mclaren in 07 season had the best team on paper bt they could nt win the championship..the problem with alonso is that he may cause trouble in team ferrari...its very easy to choose gr8 drivers bt it is very difficult to form gr8 teams...take for example india(cricket) in the previous world cup....they were the strongest team on paper bt could nt perform and i don't want such kind of thing happening to team ferrari...


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 26-03-2008, 04:24 PM

Check this.. excerpt of an article's comment..

Flossing a Dead Horse: The Boringness of Racing Drivers

"You just have to look at F1 and the collection of ... well dullards, for the want of a better word, that partake in the sport at the moment. Racing drivers turned into nothing more than analytical machines. It's not all bad though. There's still some of the old school left. Valentino Rossi in MotoGP for one. Anyone that competes in Rally. His royal highness the drift king Tuschiya. Tony Stewart always looks like you'd find him outside a country and western bar with a bottle of bud in one hand and the teeth of whoever he's just beaten in the other. And that nice Scottish lady Jackie Stewart! From the days when men were men, and fast men had massive sideburns."

Well, i believe it is true.. the driver comments are really dull, and there is minimal rivalry among drivers on track.. everyone does the best one can, and these is no off track drama! No wonder the sport is losing popularity in the US.. they have Indy 500, and loads of other motorsports!


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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 29-03-2008, 11:57 PM

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i agree i agree... Alonso is a big No No... the guy is truble.. not this season anyway.. let him come down to reality, driving a bad car.. i dont think he will survive in F1 fr too long anyway..
Ferrari could do really well with Hamilton though.. Wotsay.. i think its time fr hamilton to get a taste of scarlet?


Alonso Trouble...How can you be so certain abt that. What certainity is there that Ron Dennis wasnt the Devil in disguise? Just imaginin a couple of ugly twiggly horns over his bald pate....so mayte...just think b4 you speak such disgraceful comments against a man whom only the Gods of speed must have conceived....ohh what a lovely little man is he. and you dare taint him with your vile ...

Ok i agree that was melodramatic...I like the boy from Espaniola...He may be hot-headed but he is a damn good driver, period. Trust me, hadnt it been that ugly devil RD and his chela LH, my master of speed would have been reigning in the Sepangs and Bahrains.

But alas wishful thinking is a CRIME. A hateless crime. So i retire for the day..

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Re: [2008]F1 Season - 31-03-2008, 08:09 PM

@ all about traction system: The removal of traction control has certainly been a talking point at the start of the 2008 Formula One season. The Bahrain International Circuit, location of the third round of the championship, is a track where traction is important because the circuit layout has a number of tight corners leading on to short straights.

In previous seasons, traction control would have been well used in Bahrain. Here Tetsuro Kobayashi, Bridgestone Motorsport technical manager, explains the difference this makes to the official Formula One tyre supplier.

“The difference between a good traction control system and a good racing driver is not as great as some people believe,” says Kobayashi. “Traction control works to keep the tyres at the optimum slip ratio, which is the same as a top level driver tries to do. Just as there are better and worse drivers, so traction control systems car vary in how good they are too.

“Another factor to consider, on some circuits, is that traction control is used very little, as high levels of downforce provide aerodynamic load on the tyres which increases the level of grip available. Because of these factors, the lack of traction control is not a big consideration in terms of tyre design, and our data analysis from testing without traction control before the season started has backed this up.”

Of course, traction control was used most when grip levels were low, such as when drivers take to the track when it rains.

“When a circuit is wet, grip levels are lower so there is more need for traction control. When it is wet and there is no traction control, drivers will have more work to do,” explains Kobayashi. “The way that wet tyres work to get their grip is different from the way that dry tyres work.

“One example of this is that wet tyres do not grip through wear when used on a wet track. In contrast, a dry tyre gets some of its grip from the way it wears with the surface of the circuit. Our wet tyre design does not change because there is no traction control, just as the way the tyres get their grip does not change.”

Related to the removal of traction control, engine braking control is no longer present in 2008, and this is a change for drivers too.

“Controlled engine braking only provided a small amount of the total slowing of the car, with aerodynamic resistance and the brakes providing far more,” says Kobayashi. “An absence of ECU-controlled engine braking means the nature of braking may feel different for the drivers.

“This could mean we see more brake locking and flat spotting of the tyres. However, drivers adapt, and Formula One drivers should be able to adapt rather quicker than the average driver.”

So, with no more traction control or controlled engine braking, do the tyres have to be re-designed to offer more grip?

“In a situation of single tyre supply, the level of potential grip available from the tyres is the same for everyone, and that is true if everyone has traction control, or if everyone does not have traction control,” says Kobayashi.

“In a competitive tyre supply environment we are always striving for tyre performance improvements, and this is the same regardless of whether traction control is present or not. Traction control operates to limit the power applied when grip is exceeded, or near to being exceeded. A competent driver works in exactly the same way.

“A driver who regularly exceeds the grip available will wear his tyres faster than a driver who does not, as well as post slower lap times. This would not mean we should make a tyre with more grip, rather that the driver should learn to use that tyre better.”

Traction control is not used over the duration of a lap, it’s only in certain parts of the track where it is needed.

“Generally the acceleration at the exit of a corner is very sensitive, and an area where a driver can make a mistake without traction control,” explains Kobayashi. “A driver therefore has to carefully manage his acceleration at the exit of corners.

“If the tyre characteristics are driver friendly, with a wide allowance for rough treatment, the driver can control acceleration easily. If they have only a narrow window, the driver will take a long time to get used to the characteristic and could spin when finding the limits.”

Much has been written and speculated about the removal of traction control and the changes this could bring.

“The lack of traction control does not mean that Formula One suddenly looks like a drifting championship, and drivers suddenly forget how to drive with maximum efficiency to produce the fastest lap time,” says Kobayashi.

“I believe our tyres have a wide allowance, and this means that the drivers can use our tyres relatively easily and, using them, can have exciting battles against others. This shows our tyre expertise in the FIA Formula One World Championship.”

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