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Will Orkut Kill Forums - 11-08-2007, 04:08 PM

Orkut is introducing new features every month. Now you will be able to send picture , video & other things as a scrap (will take effect within a week).
They may make lots of changes to the Orkut FOrums & enable it will all facilities which we are using here & on other forums.

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(1) Do you think Orkut will kill the forums ? Yes Or No ? Why ?
(2) What should Forums Owners Do ?
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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 11-08-2007, 06:06 PM

Orkut's main objective is making friends closer. It's a social networking site. And in future even if they enhanced their features in areas such as forums or photo/video sharing; it wont (and I think never) KILL any forums or other web 2.0 sites in general.

The reason for this is:
When you think of MBA you think of IMS, PagalGuy or coolAvenues & not Orkut. (orkut is popular as a networking site and not as MBA sharing site)

Even if you have great features in orkut about photo sharing etc
you'll stick to flickr or related sites.
You'll never stop visiting youtube.com when orkut will lauch some related feature...

Just take a parallel example of site MySpace which is more popular than Orkut btw,,,,
You get your own space for blogging in myspace still people go for dedicated blogging services like blogspot or wordpress.


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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 12-08-2007, 05:20 PM

Yea..orkut will never kill forums. forums are special sites and cannot be easily emulated by a networking site. For all the communities I ve joined in orkut, I never visit their threads and read stuff as the discussion there cannot come close to what we have on any of these forums.

Orkut will do very well though to link everything up like picasa, blogspot and youtube and other google products. But replacing forums is way too difficult


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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 12-08-2007, 08:22 PM

The simple answer is NO. The reason is that forums and Orkut have different purposes in the first place. Forums are dedicated for a cause - MBA, porn , IAS Prep etcetra etcetra They bind people having a common interest and who may or may not each other but eventually do become close.

orkut on the other hand is a networking site. To search for old friends and to make new ones (i.e. if one is interested) moreover, it is more for fun.


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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 12-08-2007, 08:44 PM

while its highly unlikely Orkut would eatup forums space since as pointed out its objectives are different. However lets note that objectives can change with change of scope and technology....and also take into account consumer behavior. as a user better features result in increased time spent on Orkut - and guess whoose loss it ultimately is i got the same 24 hrs a day
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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 12-08-2007, 10:44 PM

Most Orkut forums are full of porn & spam. Folks start a forum, then don't moderate it or even don't appoint moderaters. After a while, you basically stop visiting those forums.
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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 12-08-2007, 11:48 PM

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Orkut is introducing new features every month. Now you will be able to send picture , video & other things as a scrap (will take effect within a week).
They may make lots of changes to the Orkut FOrums & enable it will all facilities which we are using here & on other forums.

now...

(1) Do you think Orkut will kill the forums ? Yes Or No ? Why ?
Well... When we talk of something killing or depreciating the market share of something else...we essentially talk about the two entities being competitors..

Now...Orkut is a social networking site aiming at letting people meeting up with their old friends , make new friends & join communities of people having like interests (Although this aspect of Orkut has grown merely as a byproduct of its central purpose of getting people to Socialize online)
When we talk of a social networking site loading up on new features like video sharing etc etc... Then what exactly does such a system become competition for..??
Forums..?? No way..!!!
As far as I can see...they arent exactly fighting for the same share of ther online user market.... Orkut & other networking sites are where people meet up with friends, scrap each other silly & then sneak into other's scrapbooks to get their daily dose of masala (By far the most alluring aspect of Orkut )...
Whereas Forums like Pagalguy or any such communities are essentially a collection of people with similar needs/goals but not necessarily of the same opinions...Many people become a part of forums such as Pagalguy not with the primary goal tp socialize but to derive intellectual stimulation or to be benefitted in some way by what others have to say or provide on the subject of the forum (MBA discussions, gaming strategies or even porn )...Yes, I know many of the regular Puys have their own little social network within PG but I will go ahead & say that it has , one way or the other, been a byproduct of productive discussions on the forum or shoutbox which has been the primary motive of almost all the Puys here at some time...

But then...thinking about it...Orkut would definitely be bigtime competition to other categories of online gatherings...
  • Instant Messengers (Everyone will agree that if u aint really in a mood to have an all-out conversation with someone...Dropping a scrap is a great deal more convenient than having a chat on messenger & its a great deal better to look into scrapbooks then a lame chat window)
  • File sharing or streaming sites like Youtube or Picassa...I dont see Youtube getting particularly concerned as yet over orkut's new features (In any case, they both have the same parent company Google ) But then again...I think a site that integrates all these features in one package should definitely be an ominous threat for sites which discretely offer such services...
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(2) What should Forums Owners Do ?
Well...the answer can somewhat be derived from what I wrote earlier...Forums such as Pagalguy are not in any immediate threat from Social networking sites like orkut because the two belong to different genres & cater to users having differnt motives...

& thats why Forums need to be good at what they are...& retain their niche specialization in whatever their community stands for (In case of Pagalguy...its about having healthy & intellectually stimulating discussions & of course serving the interests of the MBA aspirant, student & alumni community )

Thats why I am amused at the comments & profile views feature in Pagalguy (Besides other features)...Seems to me to be an attempt to somehow make the Forum a half-substitute for orkut...& in this process although you may make things a little bit better for your regular puy, you are also giving people the impression that you need to compete with Orkut..

More later....

@Paras... Nice thread dude..!!!!
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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 13-08-2007, 04:57 PM

Some reasons why IMHO Orkut wouldn't kill forums:

1. The power of niche - Orkut has communities on everything, but the apps they create will be one-size-fits-all. Forums like Pagalguy cater to niches, whether it's education, tech, mobile phones and thus have a much better sense of their users' needs than Orkut would. That helps forums make customized apps... Pagalguy has attempted something like that and PG Connect was a box office hit. It would not be possible for Orkut to cater to the hundreds of niches like that.

2. Orkut is largely a young people rage and it's not even the largest social networking site in the world, except in Brazil India Iran and a few more. In any case the new generation of users in India are going to Facebook and not Orkut. Websites are usually successful when they focus on one thing and then work on it. Orkut right now has positioned itself as a fun site to make friends and increase your social circle. Either it should focus on that or become a user-generated content site with powerful forums. If it goes forums way, it will lose the fun lukkha hangout feel to it. Attempting both is like axing one's own foot.

3. As for Pagalguy having the profile system, it's actually a vBulletin project only. vBulletin, which powers most forums across the world including this one, is about to release a full-fledged version with blogs and social profiles anyway so all forums in the world will automatically get upgraded to that. As for the utility, people anyway had their own social networks within Pagalguy and all we did was formalize it technically by adding the profile plugin. It does look like a social networking site - not necessarily Orkut but any - and that's for the simple reason that such a format has proven to be successful. It's a different issue that we've not pushed it to users aggressively so few people know that it exists... there are other reasons for it, related to what's coming in PG in the next year. I would say, if a forum has already grown into a 'community', it's a great idea to let people have enhanced profiles and public friends lists to support the forum and not necessarily to pretend to be an Orkut. At the end of the day, if Orkut is trying to be a forum, why can't forums try to be like Orkut

The obstacles for forums are -

1. No sense of content aggregation. The search isn't anything to wrote home about, precious content that is not replied to gets lost in the depths of the forum (also in Pagalguy) and hence it's often tough to reach the best resources of the forum.

2. Not all forums are moneymaking. Many of them are personal projects funded by a couple of enthusiastic guys or a university department. This makes it tough for them to develop niche features and products.

3. Forums and the development community that writes code for forums is too geeky by nature. As a result, there aren't many skins, pluging etc that the masses can be comfortable with. Which is why even in India, most forums are populated with engineering/tech crowd.

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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 17-08-2007, 08:57 AM

and while we are here wudn't be out of place bringin research of da kind -

Sophos Facebook ID probe shows 41% of users happy to reveal all to potential identity thieves

Jus made me thinkin how much personal information do we give out on forums... not much if one restrains oneself...

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Re: Will Orkut Kill Forums - 17-08-2007, 09:38 AM

funde oneday sab baad mein,main to bas itna kahoonga ki orkut ho ya uska baap,pagalguy ka jhanda hamesha upar lahrata rahega


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