Growing frustration among IT professionals in India!

[voracious_devil]

Hi puys,
I have a few questions regarding this. I am also a S/W Engineer and earning quite good with less work....
But I am not so much frustrated from the IT job. I find it average, not very good, and not very bad. Sometimes, I feel, its because we are seeing the future opportunities like MBA, heavy salary etc., we are not concentrating on our job and we are focusing on this golden three letters. When you start preparing for MBA, somehow you will definetely loose the time & mindset on your work.I feel, deadlines will be there after MBA, there will be some kind of monotonous work also.

[armstrong]

Puys,Here's is my take at this topic:

I had joined IT 4.5 years back, after I found that my job in Civil was less paying and I couldn't meet well all the family Liabilities. Though I loved the job of being a civil Engineer but it was a compulsion that drove me in this direction.
From my perspective, I would say that at times its really frustrating in IT at the following situations:
1.When your work is of unplanned Nature.
2.You are working with Managers who have got promotions because of seniority but not Capability.
3. You come to a road block where you do not learn any more.
4. Personal problems (which of course should be handled on high priority)

Well, I gave my CAT in 2004 (90.34%ile) and now after almost 4 years I shall be reappearing; because of the above reasons.

One thing that I have learnt, in the last 5 years of my professional career is:
1. Be it any field, One has to be professionally ruthless, Selfish and must have an yearning to learn everytime.
2. Family is foremost
3. Go for an alternative solution only if you think that its necessarily required.
4. Last but not the least, make a choice between money and interest. In Todays scenario, most ofthe times they do not go hand in hand....

Regards

[sarsij]

Originally Posted by armstrong

Puys,Here's is my take at this topic:

I had joined IT 4.5 years back, after I found that my job in Civil was less paying and I couldn't meet well all the family Liabilities. Though I loved the job of being a civil Engineer but it was a compulsion that drove me in this direction.
From my perspective, I would say that at times its really frustrating in IT at the following situations:
1.When your work is of unplanned Nature.
2.You are working with Managers who have got promotions because of seniority but not Capability.
3. You come to a road block where you do not learn any more.
4. Personal problems (which of course should be handled on high priority)

Well, I gave my CAT in 2004 (90.34%ile) and now after almost 4 years I shall be reappearing; because of the above reasons.

One thing that I have learnt, in the last 5 years of my professional career is:
1. Be it any field, One has to be professionally ruthless, Selfish and must have an yearning to learn everytime.
2. Family is foremost
3. Go for an alternative solution only if you think that its necessarily required.
4. Last but not the least, make a choice between money and interest. In Todays scenario, most ofthe times they do not go hand in hand....

Regards

I am absolutely in sync with the above post........the reasons for frustration in IT has been mostly because of the people around you (ill Managers). But we can't actually blame these managers......if you see, IT came to India in a BIG way only 10-12 years back.....and then the companies who started working here in India hired senior people from different domains.....and these people were more-or-less a people manager, instead of a technology manager. And here comes the whole difference.......these managers are paid for nothing but for being rude.....because thats how these people have been performing in their previous jobs.

(I am sadly reminded of my life's 1st manager........he was a civil engineer.....he worked as a civil engineer for 9 years...and the one fine day he decided to do some course in SAP....and then he entered into IT field.....and after working for 2 years at some unknown position he was made the manager.....and trust me....he actually had no idea about technology at all......it was pain talking to him........he couldn't understand the point that one can't write equal number of lines of codes everyday.....he was of the belief that.....if one can build a wall in 1 day, then in 2 days he can build two walls, and he used to apply the same to IT field also.......Thanks god......I decided to part my ways long back)

I believe that IT is quite different from all other domains.....and thats why it requires people sitting at higher posts to be in sync with the IT traditions....but sadly there has been not much effort till now. But I am sure that this domain will see a change soon....as the people who are reaching to the senior positions now-a-days are from this very domain.

[GrimMan]

Originally Posted by armstrong

Puys,Here's is my take at this topic:


From my perspective, I would say that at times its really frustrating in IT at the following situations:
1.When your work is of unplanned Nature.
2.You are working with Managers who have got promotions because of seniority but not Capability.
3. You come to a road block where you do not learn any more.
4. Personal problems (which of course should be handled on high priority)



One thing that I have learnt, in the last 5 years of my professional career is:
1. Be it any field, One has to be professionally ruthless, Selfish and must have an yearning to learn everytime.
2. Family is foremost
3. Go for an alternative solution only if you think that its necessarily required.
4. Last but not the least, make a choice between money and interest. In Todays scenario, most ofthe times they do not go hand in hand....

Regards

A good piece. Poor managerial bandwidth is understandable in a new industry just like a child experiences growing pains. But nearly 20 yrs into the "revolution", some maturity is expected. One thing I've experienced is that people are not able to differenciate professional life and personal life. Just because you work in a team does'nt mean you need to share all your personal time and space with the whole team. A good amount of professional distance should be maintained. You can have a few good, close friends, but best to look at your colleages as colleagues.
Lack of planning has to do with both poor management and inadequate time. No IT company does a proper estimate and gives realistic proposals. Natuarally, once a project is won and execution starts, everything falls into disarray. I used to work in a CMMI level company and once visited a German client. If you ask them what CMM level they are, they will tell you "We're level 2, aiming for 3 in a couple of years". Just walk into their office and see how they work and you'll know the difference between what's on paper and what's on the machine floor. Not a single paper out of place, desks perfectly neat and tidy, everyone smartly dressed, no adhoc phonecalls and middle of the cubicle chit chats, noone sitting on a coworker's desk and leaning and looking into someone else's screen. Need I mention that they accomplish more in a day than we do in a week? The CMM certification is largely based on the integrity and professionalism of the certifying authority in various countries. Understandably, the certifying audit agencies abroad expect a lot more and the companies aiming for such standards are very serious about what they do.

[killerkart19]

yes guys this all story is true.. no one wants to be a goat in the herd...

[willsurelywin]

Well 2 of my friends working in IT companies hust had their appraisal and truelly shocked by it

one workng with cognizant got 2.5% hike
other got 4% hike

and they say for next 2 years they see similar hikes only ..

this is really adding to the phrustration and now they also want to get outa IT and do mba

[sarsij]

Originally Posted by willsurelywin

Well 2 of my friends working in IT companies hust had their appraisal and truelly shocked by it

one workng with cognizant got 2.5% hike
other got 4% hike

and they say for next 2 years they see similar hikes only ..

this is really adding to the phrustration and now they also want to get outa IT and do mba

Recently I got to know that Indian IT giants like TCS and Wipro has actually screwed up things......both have given a very bad hike...figures are in sigle digit (for the majority).....and TCS has gone even a step ahead.....it has still not confirmed many of its employees after their completion of 1 year (which used to be a norm till the last year). God knows what these guys are planning to do. And the most striking irony is that .. they will definitely pose some highlights (like profits, increase in the number of customers etc etc in the upcoming Q1 results), but at the same time will not pay their employees....we are just making an ass of ourselves by staying in such a system.......

[sarsij]

Read this news article from Mint newspaper. Its about the IT companies who are deferring the intake of the fresh employees (mostly recruited during campus selection drives).
Tech firms start to pull back on hires - Home - livemint.com

Basically It companies believe in absolute opportunistic steps.........and I say so because recently I came to know about one of the colleges where IBM visited last year (2007) and they selected some 50 candidates from the college. These guys were supposed to join the office in July 2008, but sadly a few weeks before July they cancelled all the offers of that college (and mind you, this college is a NIT). Now what should be the take away from such an ill-treatment with the fresh candidates?

[picaroon]

Originally Posted by sarsij

.........and I say so because recently I came to know about one of the colleges where IBM visited last year (2007) and they selected some 50 candidates from the college. These guys were supposed to join the office in July 2008, but sadly a few weeks before July they cancelled all the offers of that college (and mind you, this college is a NIT). Now what should be the take away from such an ill-treatment with the fresh candidates?

Well I would say there was not much wrong from the company's side, they just made an offer not an appointment (i am not sure if there are legal liabilities in other case or not) And they are just acting towards their own interest, well after all they are not wrong, they aren't here to do community service, at least in this case it seems..

Why didn't the odd 50, or say anyone who gets placed during clg doesn't trying catching more offers, try and sit up in more placement opportunities (on or off campus).

[willsurelywin]

man
i just have left my kpo job which i joined 15 days back. i was being made to work 15 hrs a dat and travelling 3 hrs also.
i was lewaving home at 8 and coming back home at 2 at night .

pay was just 23k... i was lossing respect in my own eyes i was not born to work like slaves for such work..........

bullshit work .........i have now caught 2 tutions at rs 125 rs per hr so will be earning 8k p.m starting and side by side preparing for bank PO exams of sbi etc where starting package is 20k + job safety+ 7 k working hrs+ time for myself...

all these IT/BPO/KPO are just exploting indians like ........ have shown their true colours with just a slight trouble...14 hrs,6 days .damnnnnnnnn

ps: as far is hike is there not many people know that even PSU banks give 10% hike p.a and also every 5 years 20% wagew revisaon is done so approx 15% hike even a person gets 15% sureshot hike p.a

here in BPO/KPO/IT these companies r exploting and using people in their youth and might run away to some other country when they find costs cheaper there......

HEARD SATYAM IS NOT GIVING ANY HIKE WATSOEVER ...........