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Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in society - 22-11-2006, 09:01 PM

Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in society today?

Some advantages to human cloning include

Providing better research capabilities to find cures to many present diseases
Bringing back friends or relatives who have passed away by cloning an identical copy
Providing children for women who are single and do not wish to have artificial insemination
The choice of physical characteristics (who to look like)Some people say

There are disadvantages such as:

Cloning is unethical
Cloning reduces genetic diversity
Human cloning could produce another "Hitler", etc.
Human cloning is not at all "natural"
human cloning would alter the very meaning of humanity

So should be keep in mind the advantages of human cloning and forget the "morality" and try and equal GOD.


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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 22-11-2006, 09:38 PM

LOL.....I do hope you are talking in the realm of the hypothetical ! Coz a lot of what you have assumed can only be found there Like back-pack nukes, cloning too is a much abused term

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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 24-11-2006, 12:18 AM

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LOL.....I do hope you are talking in the realm of the hypothetical ! Coz a lot of what you have assumed can only be found there Like back-pack nukes, cloning too is a much abused term

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hypothetical :confused:

man its amongst the hottest debated topic ( even Pope is involved in this). And none of the mentioned points are hypothetical. This is even discussed even in the context of patents and labour laws.

The problem is: human clone will be my invention and as per patent law (Indian Patent Act 1970) I have 20 yrs of exclusive rights on it. But this amounts to enforced labour. So it comes in conflict with Labour laws.

Yes two worthwhile threads


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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 24-11-2006, 05:46 PM

As of now, cloning is only used for Human benefits. It has been found that as of now, techniques to develop a complete human clone do not exist.

Organ cloning is being practised becuase it is seemingly not such an undaunting task to clone organs.


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Some advantages to human cloning include

Providing better research capabilities to find cures to many present diseases
Bringing back friends or relatives who have passed away by cloning an identical copy
Providing children for women who are single and do not wish to have artificial insemination
The choice of physical characteristics (who to look like)Some people say
Right now the only use to which organ cloning is being put to is to find cures to diseases. I dont think that laws would ever be passed to allow individuals to bring back dead relatives or for the choice of physical characteristics. That would be very individual specific and I dont think that the government would allow something as sophisticated as Human Cloning or Organ Cloning to become a thing within the reach the general public.



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There are disadvantages such as:

Cloning is unethical
Cloning reduces genetic diversity
Human cloning could produce another "Hitler", etc.
Human cloning is not at all "natural"
human cloning would alter the very meaning of humanity
Cloning, if used for the betterment of society, is not unethical.

Yes, it reduces genetic diversity. Am sure that many people would not know that marrying in the same caste or between relatives also reduces genetic diversity. Now I wont get into details here lest it leads to caste wars on PG

Cloning better known as recombinant DNA technology would be beneficial only if used by a group of dedicated scientists for the betterment of society as a whole.

I would suggest reading the book Mutation by Robin Cook. The book is fiction but it talks about certain techniques in rDNA technology which are mind boggling.


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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 24-11-2006, 06:53 PM

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Right now the only use to which organ cloning is being put to is to find cures to diseases. I dont think that laws would ever be passed to allow individuals to bring back dead relatives or for the choice of physical characteristics. That would be very individual specific and I dont think that the government would allow something as sophisticated as Human Cloning or Organ Cloning to become a thing within the reach the general public.

I don't think so. In most of the countries both the theraputic as well as reproductive cloning is not allowed. Even if soem research is going on it is through private funding. See Dolly was cloned in 1997. now 10 yrs have passed and there is not much progress beacuse of the various ethical, social and legal hindrances. Here a brief summary of current laws on cloning


In 1998, 2001, and 2003 the U.S. House of Representatives voted whether to ban all human cloning, both reproductive and therapeutic. Each time, divisions in the Senate over therapeutic cloning prevented either competing proposal (a ban on both forms or reproductive cloning only) from passing. President George W. Bush is opposed to human cloning in any form. Some American states ban both forms of cloning, while some others outlaw only reproductive cloning.

Current regulations prohibit federal funding for research into human cloning, which effectively prevents such research from occurring in public institutions and private institution such as universities which receive federal funding. However, there are currently no laws in the United States which ban cloning completely, and any such laws would raise difficult Constitutional questions similar to the issues raised by abortion.

The British government introduced legislation in order to allow licensed therapeutic but not reproductive cloning in a debate in January 2001 after an amendment to the Human Embryology Act. However on November 15, 2001 opposition groups won a High Court legal challenge that effectively blocked cloning of embryos for therapeutic purposes. They discovered a loophole which allows reproductive cloning to be performed also. Anti-abortion groups say that a new debate is necessary because of recent technologies having been developed that might circumvent the need for embryonic cloning. The government overruled this attempt at the beginning of March 2002 and currently therapeutic cloning is allowed under license of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The first known licence was granted on August 11, 2004 to researchers at the University of Newcastle to allow them to investigate treatments for diabetes, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

Australia has prohibited human cloning, though as of November 2006, a bill legalising therapeutic cloning and the creation of human embryos for stem cell research has passed the Senate and is expected to pass the House of Representatives.

Organizations devoted to cloning humans, such as the Raelians' Las Vegas-based Clonaid, as well as Antinori and Zavos, are very hard to control. Many think these groups would shift their operations to other countries should mainstream legislation impede their operations, as many less developed nations have no such ban on cloning, so human cloning experiments could (theoretically) be easily shifted to more viable areas. On December 12, 2001 the United Nations General Assembly began elaborating an international convention against the reproductive cloning of human beings. Lawrence Goldstein, professor of cellular and molecular medicine at the University of California at San Diego, claims that the United States, unable to pass a national law, forced Costa Rica to start this debate in the UN over the international cloning ban. In February 2005 a vaguely worded and non-binding United Nations Declaration on Human Cloning was finally adopted. The European Convention on Human Rights and Biomedicine prohibits human cloning in one of its additional protocols, but this protocol has been ratified only by Greece, Spain and Portugal. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union explicitly prohibits reproductive human cloning, though the Charter currently carries no legal standing. The proposed European Constitution would, if ratified, make the charter legally binding for the institutions of the European Union.


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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 24-11-2006, 07:02 PM

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Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in society today?

Some advantages to human cloning include

Providing better research capabilities to find cures to many present diseases
Bringing back friends or relatives who have passed away by cloning an identical copy
Providing children for women who are single and do not wish to have artificial insemination
The choice of physical characteristics (who to look like)Some people say

There are disadvantages such as:

Cloning is unethical
Cloning reduces genetic diversity
Human cloning could produce another "Hitler", etc.
Human cloning is not at all "natural"
human cloning would alter the very meaning of humanity

So should be keep in mind the advantages of human cloning and forget the "morality" and try and equal GOD.
Apart from etical and social reasons even there are some technical limitations

First, none of these techniques provide exact clones — they would be 99.7% identical to the DNA donor, because some important genes are present outside the nucleus, in mitochondria for example. Some of the DNA of the DNA donor would be missing for the clone to be an exact copy, and some of the resulting clone DNA would come from the donor egg-cell. How much change this would lead to in the clone is being investigated.

Second, difficulties with cloning organisms from their somatic (non germline) cells sometimes leads to (what seems to be) premature aging in higher animals. If a new brain is generated in that body, there is no reason to believe that consciousness, apart from the ethics of the move, can ever be moved from one brain into a new brain even if it is genetically identical. Identical twins often show uncanny parallels in life choices, but rarely do they exhibit any characteristics that would cause one to believe that genetic similarities in brains lead to any kind of compatibility of consciousness. Moreover if a brain is moved from an old body to a new one, even a clone, it would continue to lose size and capacity to regenerate cells, and continue to be subject to such degenerative disorders such as Alzheimer's disease. Given all this, "immortality" or extended lifespan would be a difficult aim.


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Re: Should cloning for human benefits or even human cloning itself be allowed in soci - 26-11-2006, 10:41 AM

Warrior, Would appreciate if you could credit the source, in case it's not your own !

As for the hypothetical nature of the debate, yes, look at the practical development of the field and you shall see, it's clearly not in the near horizon.....Probabilities of success are still extremely slim ! Yes, debates still exist, but just as they do for umpteen issues where not much info is available in public domain


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