[Pupil]

Act won't hit good hubbies: Renuka : devils advocate, karan thapar, renuka chowdhury : IBNLive.com : CNN-IBN

CNN-IBN interview on Devil's Advocate - Domestic Violence Bill
Karan Thapar: Let me point it out to you why this is such a dangerous Act. Critics are pointing out that this Act is going to go the way of the anti-dowry law; it’s going to be deliberately misused.

Let me point out what the Supreme Court said in July 2005 about the anti-dowry law. It said many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. Your act is going to go exactly the same way as the anti-dowry law.

Renuka Chowdhury:I want to tell you, when we bring out an Act, we help set a direction for a certain socially-accepted behaviour. Those are the broader parameters. Because of a minute percentage of people who misappropriate the Act, are you saying that I should not bring an Act, I should be in denial that women are not domestically harassed, that they are not kicked, removed from their home, denied access to their children, to their own earnings, and that they have no recourse to law?

Karan Thapar: Let me answer your question. You talk of a minute percentage of people?

Renuka Chowdhury:Yes.

Karan Thapar: The Centre for Social Research with regard to the anti-dowry law did a study after the Supreme Court judgment came out in August of 2005 and it concluded that of every 100 cases brought under the anti-dowry law, 98 per cent were false. Only two were correct. It’s not a minute percentage; the level of abuse that this could incur is phenomenally high.

Renuka Chowdhury:It’s okay.

Karan Thapar: It’s okay? It’s acceptable?


Karan Thapar: In other words, let men suffer first, then I will correct the wrong I have done.

Renuka Chowdhury: It is not such a bad idea, except that I have such pity for men.


Only a Feminazi will not demand equal legal protection for men in domestic violence bill. Some talk about the United Nations reports on domestic violence.
As a matter of fact, Radical feminists have taken-over the UN
UN is criticized for one-sided domestic violence report

One Scientific study showed that
2 million men are assaulted by a wife or a girlfriend per year, which translates as, a man is the victim of spousal violence every 14 seconds. This is all the result of feministic conspiracy.

Any more data needed ? I can give the links......

[pendyal]

Originally Posted by Pupil

Act won't hit good hubbies: Renuka : devils advocate, karan thapar, renuka chowdhury : IBNLive.com : CNN-IBN

CNN-IBN interview on Devil's Advocate - Domestic Violence Bill
Karan Thapar: Let me point it out to you why this is such a dangerous Act. Critics are pointing out that this Act is going to go the way of the anti-dowry law; it’s going to be deliberately misused.

Let me point out what the Supreme Court said in July 2005 about the anti-dowry law. It said many instances have come to light where the complaints are not bona fide and have been filed with an oblique motive. In such cases, acquittal of the accused does not wipe out the ignominy suffered during and prior to the trial. Sometimes adverse media coverage adds to the misery. Your act is going to go exactly the same way as the anti-dowry law.

Renuka Chowdhury:I want to tell you, when we bring out an Act, we help set a direction for a certain socially-accepted behaviour. Those are the broader parameters. Because of a minute percentage of people who misappropriate the Act, are you saying that I should not bring an Act, I should be in denial that women are not domestically harassed, that they are not kicked, removed from their home, denied access to their children, to their own earnings, and that they have no recourse to law?

Karan Thapar: Let me answer your question. You talk of a minute percentage of people?

Renuka Chowdhury:Yes.

Karan Thapar: The Centre for Social Research with regard to the anti-dowry law did a study after the Supreme Court judgment came out in August of 2005 and it concluded that of every 100 cases brought under the anti-dowry law, 98 per cent were false. Only two were correct. It’s not a minute percentage; the level of abuse that this could incur is phenomenally high.

Renuka Chowdhury:It’s okay.

Karan Thapar: It’s okay? It’s acceptable?


Karan Thapar: In other words, let men suffer first, then I will correct the wrong I have done.

Renuka Chowdhury: It is not such a bad idea, except that I have such pity for men.


Only a Feminazi will not demand equal legal protection for men in domestic violence bill. Some talk about the United Nations reports on domestic violence.
As a matter of fact, Radical feminists have taken-over the UN
UN is criticized for one-sided domestic violence report

One Scientific study showed that
2 million men are assaulted by a wife or a girlfriend per year, which translates as, a man is the victim of spousal violence every 14 seconds. This is all the result of feministic conspiracy.

Any more data needed ? I can give the links......

ok.....one thing my training has provided me is to look for loopholes.....dont u see the most obvious loophole in the dowry argument put forward by karan thapar? he says out of 100 cases 98 are false. now how many women actually file a complaint after being abused or harassed? my friends have not done that after being hit by their boy-friends (forget husband coz then so called maan of the family wud come into play) and that too on campus here......
and by just quoting figures of men being abused by women.....lets accept that these figures are true.....what abt the no. of women being abused by men......how many? i am prepared to bet anything that this figure will be many times the 2 million figure......am not taking the side of the girls or something but it just beats me u know that u cant see the obvious flaws in the arguments u urself provide.......

[Pupil]

Originally Posted by pendyal

ok.....one thing my training has provided me is to look for loopholes.....dont u see the most obvious loophole in the dowry argument put forward by karan thapar? he says out of 100 cases 98 are false. now how many women actually file a complaint after being abused or harassed? my friends have not done that after being hit by their boy-friends (forget husband coz then so called maan of the family wud come into play) and that too on campus here......
and by just quoting figures of men being abused by women.....lets accept that these figures are true.....what abt the no. of women being abused by men......how many? i am prepared to bet anything that this figure will be many times the 2 million figure......am not taking the side of the girls or something but it just beats me u know that u cant see the obvious flaws in the arguments u urself provide.......

Let me put it in a sequential manner to be properly interpreted by you all.

58,000 cases are filed under anti-dowry laws each year. (now it is increasing by 20% a year)
98% of the cases are false.
600,000 families (assuming 3-4 members in the family, it comes to 21,00,000) are threatened of a false dowry harassment complaint each year.
Because we are conditioned to believe that only a woman can be a victim, never a man, we are not alarmed to see these shocking figures.
The actual female victims don't complain because they don't even know about it. Women organisation dislike going to the rural areas and campaign about anti-dowry laws, because their personal needs get fulfilled only when they propagate in urban areas. It is a very vast and global feminists conspiracy.

As far as female victims of domestic violence are concerned, DV bill has already been passed, which has been severely criticizing that is giving sweeping powers to the woman to legally terrorise their husband/live-in partner and in-laws. This can't be termed as women-protective laws. Protection is needed, but at what cost? This DV Bill is open to a massive misuse and many millions of families will break apart.

When the husband becomes the victim of domestic violence, where will he report? Where will he register his complaint? He goes to the police station, the cops say, "It is a family issue, we are not going to interfere." A husband who is thrown out of his own house by his wife, goes to the police station to complain, the cops refuse to register his case. Especially after DV bill, on an average 10-25 men are coming to men's organisations for help each day, and sometimes 10-15 men comes to women's cell to complaint. Their complaint never gets registered. That is the most important reason why we are perceiving that female victims are more than male victims. Give a man the platform to complain and see how many male victims emerge.

The Constitution of India, Article 14, Equality before law and equal protection from law, is now getting brutally violated. Doesn't matter if female victims or male victims are more and less. The legal principles is that legal protection should be provided equally. Hypothetically, if we believe that female victims are more, does that justify that now men should not be protected at all? What kind of mentality is this?

Read the DV bill draft and you will realise that this bill will ruin indian families. There are already shock waves crossing the minds of many youngsters who doesn't want to marry because of this DV bill. By arguing that actual female victims don't even complain, you can't justify the misuse of laws by women to torture men and in-laws.

Laws should be equal for all. For not providing protection for men, these women organisations, especially NCW, has showcased their true malicious intentions to destroy the sanctity of indian marriage.

[pendyal]

Originally Posted by Pupil

Let me put it in a sequential manner to be properly interpreted by you all.

58,000 cases are filed under anti-dowry laws each year. (now it is increasing by 20% a year)
98% of the cases are false.
600,000 families (assuming 3-4 members in the family, it comes to 21,00,000) are threatened of a false dowry harassment complaint each year.
Because we are conditioned to believe that only a woman can be a victim, never a man, we are not alarmed to see these shocking figures.
The actual female victims don't complain because they don't even know about it. Women organisation dislike going to the rural areas and campaign about anti-dowry laws, because their personal needs get fulfilled only when they propagate in urban areas. It is a very vast and global feminists conspiracy.


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Laws should be equal for all. For not providing protection for men, these women organisations, especially NCW, has showcased their true malicious intentions to destroy the sanctity of indian marriage.

i am not questioning any of this.....u have sidestepped the questions i have asked completely. what i want to know is out of the 1 billion population of India, assuming 4 members in every family then that wud mean abt 25 crore families......Now in population of so many families, how many women are being harassed for dowry and how many actually file a complaint? that was what i wanted to know....only then wud i know the value attached to the 98% false cases and the 58,000 false complaints (cud i have the source for this?) coz if say 10,00,000 women are being harassed then roughly only 60000 complaints are filed (58000 being the false complaints which are abt 98% of the total complaints, the total complaints wud be slightly greater than that number).....also the other thing i asked was the stats for how many women are abused by men? (i doubt we cud ever get this figure considering how restricted some hardline nations are) and any law misused can destroy families......i cud use the CrPc to my advantage if i wanted to...i dont need the DV bill for that......

[Pupil]

Originally Posted by pendyal

i am not questioning any of this.....u have sidestepped the questions i have asked completely. what i want to know is out of the 1 billion population of India, assuming 4 members in every family then that wud mean abt 25 crore families......Now in population of so many families, how many women are being harassed for dowry and how many actually file a complaint? that was what i wanted to know....only then wud i know the value attached to the 98% false cases and the 58,000 false complaints (cud i have the source for this?) coz if say 10,00,000 women are being harassed then roughly only 60000 complaints are filed (58000 being the false complaints which are abt 98% of the total complaints, the total complaints wud be slightly greater than that number).....also the other thing i asked was the stats for how many women are abused by men? (i doubt we cud ever get this figure considering how restricted some hardline nations are) and any law misused can destroy families......i cud use the CrPc to my advantage if i wanted to...i dont need the DV bill for that......

It is difficult, to almost impossible, to ascertain the actual number of women victims of dowry harassment, but when we speak of misuse, those false complaints are made by those women who were never harassed for dowry.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter the total population of the country or the total number of families. There "could" be some women who are actual victims of dowry harassment but don't complain, either because they are not aware of the laws, or they lack the necessary resources such a complaint centre especially in very rural areas. The anti-dowry law was enacted to prevent the dowry harassment on women. But when 98% of the cases filed are false, the very purpose of the law is lost. Unscrupulous women are taking advantage of this gender biased law, which is to protect the actual victims of dowry harassment, and not to legally terrorise innocent families and extort money from them. Instead of amending the law, which will protect the actual victims and also prevent misuse, these feminazi have introduced DV Bill, which will be misused on a massive scale. The fact is that now these women organisations aren't providing women the "rights", they are giving "powers." By saying that all the laws are misused, does not justify the misuse of dowry laws.

You can't assume that 10,00,000 women are harassed. The arguments of women saying that so-n-so numbers of complaints are unreported are just hypothetical and it is irrational to judge a situation from these baseless figures. Unreported crime is no crime at all as per the definition of "Unreported." If it is unreported, how do we know that it is not yet reported? Does not make any sense. Besides, nobody has demanded to abolish dowry laws. Dowry laws is a must to protect real victims, but when modern women starts misusing it, then it must be amended to curb misuse and protect real victims. That is not been done. Why it is not been done? Ask the Government.

There are still people out there who want to remain insensitive and unconcerned toward a male victim. This is why more and more innocent families are legally terrorised each year.

Here are some of the websites, which will provide ample information on the seriousness of this issue.
Fight Against misuse of IPC-498a
Save Indian Family Foundation
Dowry Law Misuse(IPC 498A) By Indian Women. - Home Page

Since you are trained to look for loopholes, read this Present India: Loopholes in Domestic Violence Bill

Please do not comment back without reading the above websites. Read it properly and then come back.

[soumya_mty]

Originally Posted by Pupil

Instead of amending the law, which will protect the actual victims and also prevent misuse, these feminazi have introduced DV Bill, which will be misused on a massive scale.

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how would u like the laws to be amended?... both DV law and anti-dowry law...im sure u must have thought of that...plz share it with us...
and also mention how exactly u envisage them to be enforced and be a success...and how they would not have any loopholes...etc. etc.
since ur urself a social activist, im assuming u must have definitely thought about this...i.e. not just the problem, but the solution too...

[pendyal]

Originally Posted by Pupil

It is difficult, to almost impossible, to ascertain the actual number of women victims of dowry harassment, but when we speak of misuse, those false complaints are made by those women who were never harassed for dowry.

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter the total population of the country or the total number of families. There "could" be some women who are actual victims of dowry harassment but don't complain, either because they are not aware of the laws, or they lack the necessary resources such a complaint centre especially in very rural areas. The anti-dowry law was enacted to prevent the dowry harassment on women. But when 98% of the cases filed are false, the very purpose of the law is lost. Unscrupulous women are taking advantage of this gender biased law, which is to protect the actual victims of dowry harassment, and not to legally terrorise innocent families and extort money from them. Instead of amending the law, which will protect the actual victims and also prevent misuse, these feminazi have introduced DV Bill, which will be misused on a massive scale. The fact is that now these women organisations aren't providing women the "rights", they are giving "powers." By saying that all the laws are misused, does not justify the misuse of dowry laws.

You can't assume that 10,00,000 women are harassed. The arguments of women saying that so-n-so numbers of complaints are unreported are just hypothetical and it is irrational to judge a situation from these baseless figures. Unreported crime is no crime at all as per the definition of "Unreported." If it is unreported, how do we know that it is not yet reported? Does not make any sense. Besides, nobody has demanded to abolish dowry laws. Dowry laws is a must to protect real victims, but when modern women starts misusing it, then it must be amended to curb misuse and protect real victims. That is not been done. Why it is not been done? Ask the Government.

There are still people out there who want to remain insensitive and unconcerned toward a male victim. This is why more and more innocent families are legally terrorised each year.

Here are some of the websites, which will provide ample information on the seriousness of this issue.
Fight Against misuse of IPC-498a
Save Indian Family Foundation
Dowry Law Misuse(IPC 498A) By Indian Women. - Home Page

Since you are trained to look for loopholes, read this Present India: Loopholes in Domestic Violence Bill

Please do not comment back without reading the above websites. Read it properly and then come back.

okies, i went thru all the three links above and i havent found anything concrete which actually corroborates the paranoiac (cant use a better word coz in my 23 yrs of existence, save maybe on a coupla occasions, all the interactions i had with women and girls have been pleasant) feeling u r having. yeah, i shudnt have assumed the 10 lakh figure of the number of women being abused.......thats a mistake i made without the facts. all i wanted to say was the figure cud be that high for all we know or higher or lower......coz as i said in my previous posts, girls are just not willing to complain even if it is their boy-friend hitting them (hard enuff to cause internal bleeding and clotting......seen it on campus here, forget in the interior parts of the country). i have even asked my friends today after i posted that just to get a view of what they wud do (both on campus and outside who are studying/working). they tell me all they wud do is go back to their mother's place ....okies i am also generalising based on my limited experience but all i am saying is that a few cases doesnt prove the trend. i will address all the loopholes u presented in ur blog in my next post but first the other three sites. the SIF website quotes suicide statistics.....but interprets them wrongly.....and does it have rates of murder and split among sexes? how can the fact that more guys committing suicide than girls in the 30-44 and the next age group mean that it is coz of marriage and because of having suffered at the hands of women? this site uses statistics the wrong way and also tries to get ppl to act based on emotion rather than logic.....
coming to the 498a website, going thru the report i found one thing. the report starts off saying that under this law, the accused is considered guilty unless he/she proves it otherwise....... doesnt it sound stupid to u? coz the judicial system is based on the premise that the accused is innocent unless proven guilty and no act passed by the parliament/legislatures can change that coz every law has stand the test of to (to quote a lawyer friend on campus) "something called the doctrine of 'judicial review' and the doctrine of 'basic strcture of the constitution'. what it means the parliament, cannot overstep certain basic boundaries of law and justice though in theory it is empowered to do so................. judicial review is that every action of the parliament is subject to scrutiny by the courts."
and if u read the what the courts have to say then it is clear that they are setting down guidelines on how the law/section has to be used.the courts do this all the time coz any act can be misused....this was the case some years back regarding POTA and we have a lot of these judgements in our text for every act we are studying where the court clarifies the various provisions of the law and how the law shud be applied in different scenarios. as for the provisons in the act against misuse of the act, i doubt each and every act wud have such provisions. there wud be a general rule which says that in case of misuse these ought to be the steps followed. (and apparently this is the case as i have confirmed again from the aforementioned lawyer). an act may have them explicitly but it need not have them. the same issue was raised a coupla yrs back with POTA.
frankly i found nothing useful on the mynation.net website except what a guy shud do if he has been wrongly accused (though i found it interesting that the website offered a dating service )

[pendyal]

Originally Posted by Pupil

Since you are trained to look for loopholes, read this Present India: Loopholes in Domestic Violence Bill

Please do not comment back without reading the above websites. Read it properly and then come back.

ok....some of them are genuine concerns.....dood, i never questioned the seriousness of the issue....all i asked was to give the facts from the other side also so that we cud see things in perspective. if it came across as tho i was questioning ur point of view then apologies.......

to answer just a few of queries raised in ur blog (this is gonna be my last post here at least for the time being......) the words interest, development, culture et al are general terms used in many Acts of the indian legal system (corporate law has them as well)...... the words have entirely differently meanings in legalese than in normal usage.....enuff to confuse 99.99% of the population (how else wud lawyers survive no offence lawyers just kidding....dont want to be groaned at for such a silly thing )


(am frankly wondering why i am bothering at all.....coz everyone is entitled to their opinions and am wondering why do i want to change ppl's opinions no bad feelings......peace )

[Pupil]

Amending a law/act isn't an easy procedure especially when it is a woman-protective law. A starred question about the misuse of dowry law was asked to National Commission for Women in the Rajya Sabha in 2004. NCW shamelessly denied saying that there are no misuse of laws. In 2005, yet again the Government asked NCW about the misuse of laws. NCW says, "No, there shall be no amendments." The Government is judicially dependent on the recommendations of NCW. If at all the Government decides to go ahead with their own agenda to curb the misuse by amending the law, the next thing they will have to face is 300 women staging a demonstration outside parliament under the leadership of Brinda Karat of AIDWA and Indira Jaising of WRI. It is a very tricky situation, because it has happened in the past.

Basically, this law is congizable, non-bailable and non-compoundable.
In technical terms,
Cognizable: The accused can be arrested and jailed without warrant and investigation
Non-bailable: The accused must appear in the court to request bail
Non-compoundable: The complaint cannot be withdrawn by the petitioner.

This means that the accused is guilty until proven innocent. However, there are only 2% conviction rate under dowry law, which clearly proves that women settle the case by demanding a mind-blowing amount of money from the husband. And the husband is aware that if he does not pay, the case may linger in the court for years. Nevertheless, when the husband can provide some concrete evidence that he hasn't demanded any dowry, the defence lawyers are able to, in few cases, though, quash the case. But, when the husband and in-laws are arrested, the damage has been done. Just one single written complaint by a woman, and there goes the husband and in-laws in the jail. Now also, as I am writting this post, there are several hapless husband and in-laws who are now legally terrorised by the woman saying that, "If you'll don't fulfil my wishes, I will go and call the police that you'll are demanding dowry." Many times, the husband and in-laws, who can't endure any more, commit suicide. It is very sad. These victimized families have no where to go. The police refuses to register the case fearing the warth of women's group. What will a man do then? Where will he go? He is completely defenceless, vulnerable and at the mercy of that woman. Is this what you call gender equality and women empowerment? Earlier it was understandable and valid, but now whatever women-protective laws are been enacted are not for women's rights, it is for their power. Nobody can call this women's rights. It is women's power. And this power is been misused to harass innocent families.

Justice Malimath Committee had once proposed that this law must be made non-cognizable, compoundable and bailable. NCW blatantly refused. There were recommendations that if the dowry cases is found fabricated, the complaintant must be booked under defamation IPC 499 case. That too was turned down. There are too many oppositions in the process of amending this law. Besides, amending a particular law takes a long parliamentary procedure. The amendments will first be read in the loksabha, three times in different period. If it is passed, it will be sent to the Rajyasabha for final approval from the parliament. And then it reached the president for assent. Convincing all these people for amending a law especially women-protective law, is like moving mountains. Women's group will never, never ever agree to the amendments. Never. Come what may.

As far as suicide of husband and wife is concerned. Here is a irrational theory. If the wife commits suicide within the period of 7 years of the marriage, by default, the husband and in-laws will be booked for abeting the suicide of the woman. This law refers back to the Law of Evidence 113A. This isn't the case if the husband commits suicide. Isn't this discrimination?
The Indian situation
Suicide rates
Married males - 17 per 100,000
Married females - 11.4 per 100,000
Widowed males - 21 per 100,000
Widowed females - 6.6 per 100,000
Divorced males - 164 per 100,000
Divorced females - 63 per 100,000
Separated males - 167 per 100,000
Separated females - 41 per 100,000
http://ncrb.nic.in/ADSI-03.pdf
The ratio of Male : Female victims of suicide = 63 : 37
44.7% of the suicide victims were married males
25% of the suicide victims were married females.

What does this tell you? Do you think men have an inborn tendency to commit suicide without any valid reasons? When a woman commits suicide, an unsuspecting man is criminalised. And when a man commits suicide, he is declared mentally unstable. Is this how our mentality works? The fact is that we don't want to face the facts.

In case the deceased wife's parents decides to extort money (which happens very often) after their daughter-in-law commits suicide for unknown reasons, they falsely accuse the husband and in-laws saying that they had demanded dowry from them, which can easily put them behind bars under IPC 304B (dowry death). And then the husband and in-laws have to pay the demanded money to the woman's parents to save their lives. Is this justice?? The police is aware of everything, but they can't do anything. Women groups have been terrorising most police stations saying that if any woman, any woman's complaint is not registered and they don't take action against the accused, whoever he is, then they will shout and the sound will be heard in the parliament.

Some of you'll are studying, maybe working too, and so you'll may not be aware of these realities. But it is true; these things do happen. It is a very cruel world out there.

I agree with you and I also appreciate your comments. This is the law of our land. If I tell you more about the way our judiciary is working, you will be shocked. This is indeed, "Andhaa Kaanoon." Millions of people are sitting comfortably in their homes absolutely oblivion about how the judiciary is convicting the innocent, manipulating the sentiments of the people in legal terms, extorting money from innocent people and letting go real criminals scot-free. It is a very very dirty stuff going on in our judiciary. Very dirty. Only innocent families are victimized. And the real perpetrators enjoy themselves.

A mere amendments in the law will not do. A revolution is need now.

[shrutz]

This is slightly sad. I was just browsing through PG and I came across a few misinformed and very misjudged posts...

Originally Posted by Pupil

Now also, as I am writting this post, there are several hapless husband and in-laws who are now legally terrorised by the woman saying that, "If you'll don't fulfil my wishes, I will go and call the police that you'll are demanding dowry." Many times, the husband and in-laws, who can't endure any more, commit suicide. It is very sad.

It truly is very sad. How many of your acquaintances have done that? I feel for you, dude, I really do. Some posts ago, you informed us that you were older and *wiser* than most of us here; so I am assuming you have statistics to back this up? Or like most of those blog posts you put up in that thread, this too is a work of fiction?
I'd be inclined to sympathise more if you looked at this in an objective manner rather than keep repeating "aww poor innocent victims of the Indian legal system."
I have not talked too much about my personal life here because I always believed that it wasn't important, but let me try.
I'm a woman of the Indian system. I am expected to be a "good girl". Have I crossed limits? No. Have I done anything to violate norms? Definitely not.
In fact, I have always been accused of being a bit too rigid in my belief systems.
On the other hand, having grown up in a chauvinistic society, I was always saddled with the image of being snotty and harbouring a superiority complex. Why? Because the boys I knew in school and college couldn't swallow the simple fact that I was better than them in certain areas. The saddest part is all this mistreatment is liable to leave a lot of emotional scars on the girl concerned, even if she isn't aware of it at that time. And to the boys? Nothing much. They go from one stupid act to another, maybe not knowing, and definitely not caring.
As for the idea that only lechers "lech". Are you truly saying that only MCPs and roadside romeos have no respect for women? I have friends who will not let me drive the car, (I have been driving for 4-odd years and they for around 1) because apparently "Women drivers are bad." A very small example, yes, but something that is non-controversial enough, I trust. This is carried forward even to 50 year olds who exclaim irritably whenever stuck behind a car in traffic, "I bet that driver is a woman."

These victimized families have no where to go. The police refuses to register the case fearing the warth of women's group. What will a man do then? Where will he go? He is completely defenceless, vulnerable and at the mercy of that woman. Is this what you call gender equality and women empowerment? Earlier it was understandable and valid, but now whatever women-protective laws are been enacted are not for women's rights, it is for their power. Nobody can call this women's rights. It is women's power. And this power is been misused to harass innocent families.

Right! Poor victimised families. Talking about the "dowry cases" again, everyone knows that it's not been eradicated yet. Just like a bandh (outlawed under Kerala law) was then called a strike and progressively a hartal, dowry has been extended to "share" and "token". It's quite a joke, actually. A MBBS fetches the guy 50 lakhs, and a degree from an IIM...? Well, the mind boggles.
By the way, by "earlier" are you referring to the 1800's before Raja Ram Mohan Roy helped abolish Sati? Because if that's your frame of reference, do let us know. Then this whole argument is a moot point.

What does this tell you? Do you think men have an inborn tendency to commit suicide without any valid reasons? When a woman commits suicide, an unsuspecting man is criminalised. And when a man commits suicide, he is declared mentally unstable. Is this how our mentality works? The fact is that we don't want to face the facts.

Please don't drag in unrelated pieces of data. I am pretty sure all of us are tired of DI. "Unsuspecting" man is criminalised indeed.
PS: How many facts have you faced?
Please understand that I am not saying situations like your fables of Ajit and whoever else catches his fancy at the moment do not exist, but when I have evidence that SHOWS me that the whole society leans heavily towards males, your vague rumblings and mutterings in the name of facts don't carry much weight. Especially when regarded under these statements that people regularly make "When are you getting your daughter married? She's getting old, you know." (about a 20 year old girl.), "Don't you want a son?", "You're a girl, come back home at 7." and "what will people say?"...
Thankfully, my parents had more joy in having two daughters.

In case the deceased wife's parents decides to extort money (which happens very often) after their daughter-in-law commits suicide for unknown reasons, .... Women groups have been terrorising most police stations saying that if any woman, any woman's complaint is not registered and they don't take action against the accused, whoever he is, then they will shout and the sound will be heard in the parliament.

I am curious. What happens when it's a natural death, and the husband is the one who dies? How many of the in-laws would support the woman? Financially? Emotionally?
And trust me, you would not want to question these statements. I have pretty clear views about this you would NOT like to challenge.
Women's groups were made for a reason. Shows like Oprah Winfrey run for a long time on TV for a reason. Sadly enough, regressive women like the ones populating the K-serials exist....

Some of you'll are studying, maybe working too, and so you'll may not be aware of these realities. But it is true; these things do happen. It is a very cruel world out there.

I agree with you and I also appreciate your comments.

Would you believe some of us "students and workers" sitting here "comfortably" know of the world outside more than you?
I am 22 years old, and I believe I have seen a lot happen around me and with me. Yes, it's a cruel world. But I ultimately believe your wisdom has nothing to do with your age, and just repeating "All men who get caught are poor victims of the system" make me laugh. Loud.

This is the law of our land. If I tell you more about the way our judiciary is working, you will be shocked.

Thanks for the condescencion. I am not aware of any newspapers or TV channels in my immediate vicinity.

This is indeed, "Andhaa Kaanoon." Millions of people are sitting comfortably in their homes absolutely oblivion about how the judiciary is convicting the innocent, manipulating the sentiments of the people in legal terms, extorting money from innocent people and letting go real criminals scot-free. It is a very very dirty stuff going on in our judiciary. Very dirty.

Maybe. But all that arbit globe you just made has nothing to do with the topic at hand Male dominated Society: How true is the cliche?

Only innocent families are victimized. And the real perpetrators enjoy themselves.

A mere amendments in the law will not do. A revolution is need now.

Encore. What an ending. And what is this revolution for? To give back the world to the males?

And before you "accuse" me of being a feminist, I'm not. I am just a woman, rather hardened by her experiences, and yes, tired of seeing a lot of idiocy in a thread in a forum I have always loved.