[pooza mishra]

I have had quite some discussions with mom and friends on something. Today when I saw this message on orkut ( the thread name) I had to remember Paulo Coelho and The Alchemist... the omens.

I saw a movie recently. That made me think even more. I am talking about Salaam Namaste. The movie which is quite similiar to Kya kehna. What is the solution to the "Unwanted child" problem. Abortions are legalised in India. We still find rather too many of those unwanted children on the streets, railway stations, bus stands etc. They certainly grow up to become modern day robinhoods in our Bollywood flicks, but it isnt so in real life. Is it ? They become criminals.

Another issue is should abortions be legalised. Well some have argued that it should be . But some feel maybe not. Well the moment we know that we have a bigger responsibility to deal with all our life.. maybe we act more responsible.. Maybe the number of such cases reduce. But well giving them birth means leaving few more budding criminals on the streets. Whats the solution.

Another issue. Why do we have so many taboos. Well here again would like to quote a movie .."kalyug" . Innocent girls forced into a dirty world where they are too helpless to revolt. Even worse, people being targets of obscene interests of people around them and being harrased. They dont even know whats good and whats bad. Innocence and ignorance pushes them into a sorry state where they have to simply regret all their lives.

I talked to a friend about it today who said they have helpline numbers in USA. Do we have any such system here ? Any number ? Any NGo? If yes then where are those. Do we know if such numbers exist. This quest is because of something I saw recently on news. A girl, daughter of a bureaucrat was often harrased by the servants. Its only now that she has realised what she had been into. Its only now that she reacted .

Heres a link to something I found terribly brutal. We certainly are going to get back to our ancestral mode, animals sans "social"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/828856.stm

The basic thing is what can be done to change the situation. What is the solution ?

[sonika]

Originally Posted by pooza mishra

I have had quite some discussions with mom and friends on something. Today when I saw this message on orkut ( the thread name) I had to remember Paulo Coelho and The Alchemist... the omens.

I saw a movie recently. That made me think even more. I am talking about Salaam Namaste. The movie which is quite similiar to Kya kehna. What is the solution to the "Unwanted child" problem. Abortions are legalised in India. We still find rather too many of those unwanted children on the streets, railway stations, bus stands etc. They certainly grow up to become modern day robinhoods in our Bollywood flicks, but it isnt so in real life. Is it ? They become criminals.

Another issue is should abortions be legalised. Well some have argued that it should be . But some feel maybe not. Well the moment we know that we have a bigger responsibility to deal with all our life.. maybe we act more responsible.. Maybe the number of such cases reduce. But well giving them birth means leaving few more budding criminals on the streets. Whats the solution.

Another issue. Why do we have so many taboos. Well here again would like to quote a movie .."kalyug" . Innocent girls forced into a dirty world where they are too helpless to revolt. Even worse, people being targets of obscene interests of people around them and being harrased. They dont even know whats good and whats bad. Innocence and ignorance pushes them into a sorry state where they have to simply regret all their lives.

I talked to a friend about it today who said they have helpline numbers in USA. Do we have any such system here ? Any number ? Any NGo? If yes then where are those. Do we know if such numbers exist. This quest is because of something I saw recently on news. A girl, daughter of a bureaucrat was often harrased by the servants. Its only now that she has realised what she had been into. Its only now that she reacted .

Heres a link to something I found terribly brutal. We certainly are going to get back to our ancestral mode, animals sans "social"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/828856.stm

The basic thing is what can be done to change the situation. What is the solution ?

this is an issue which need lot of solns..
some would say..education.. but alone can it help? Needs poverty removal for it..
poverty removal.. for tht u need education n population control,..
population control.. India's most underrated problem.. for this u need education
This is such a vicious cycle.. whr to start n when will it end..
And of course.. i'm not evn mentioning corruption n rest

Lot of people are trying to help.. We have Child abuse helplines.. women helplines.. HIV helplines.. NGOs with shelter homes..
But sumwhr down the line its just not enuf..
how many ppl know abt these and then all ths are city specific..

Mayb i'm turnin into cynic.. but did u know out of 5000 tht we donate to NGOs, 90% of the time only Rs 50 reach to the kid..

[linnet]

pooza u have raised a serious issue which demands everyone's attention.
all of us know that these thing go around us n v turn a blind eye 2 it.
cos that's the only thing left us 2 do. we all have same "why bother" tag on us.
i feel the only thing that cud remove the so called taboo is education .
but is it enugh ? cos sometimes these so called educated pple r the real criminals behind the scene.i had watched oprah winfrey show a long time back in which the girl pilots of us airforce were been interviwed.they told how they were subjected 2 sexual harrassment by their seniors n when they took a stand they were shown the door.n this happened in the most advanced societies of our times.our society needs pple who have a broad mind who don see these girls as a piece of dirty shit but helpess creatures who need our support
this problem needs deep thinkin ,we need 2 introspect ourseleves.

[EuPhOrIa]

Lotsa prob, yes, very serious probs - certainly make ppl think
Lotsa horrifying examples - and you say the f word
Show the Worst...! - and ppl would scream on the system
Something must be done! - everyone thinks...

The show will get over. The therad would be lost into the archieves. The ppl would be back on the forum as if nothing has happened. One fine day another pooza would open one more thread on the topic and it'd again get into the viscious circle...!

Is this of any meaning?

I read on cricket thered "Let your bat do the talking"...ain't it apt for this too? I think all of us, whoever has watched RDB, has got an answer! There are only two ways u can live on this earth: Let the things happen and keep watching it keeping ur mouth shut or Sholder the responsiblity...and execute the things come wat may!

Do we not have "Will Pagal Go Political", lotsa community threads and many more on issues - like this one ? Where is the activism? Is anyone of us ready to bet a life for a cuase? (Well, m not justifying whether anyone shud go for it or not).

Period.

[pooza mishra]

this is an issue which need lot of solns..
some would say..education.. but alone can it help? Needs poverty removal for it..
poverty removal.. for tht u need education n population control,..
population control.. India's most underrated problem.. for this u need education
This is such a vicious cycle.. whr to start n when will it end..
And of course.. i'm not evn mentioning corruption n rest

Lot of people are trying to help.. We have Child abuse helplines.. women helplines.. HIV helplines.. NGOs with shelter homes..
But sumwhr down the line its just not enuf..
how many ppl know abt these and then all ths are city specific..

Mayb i'm turnin into cynic.. but did u know out of 5000 tht we donate to NGOs, 90% of the time only Rs 50 reach to the kid..

Hi Sonika

You are right there. Maybe the corruption part is mostly because of our lack of interferance. I mean we give money but we hardly if ever try to find out what was done with it. We have an orphanage here. I thought of funding the education of a few orphans. They said they would pick up some and ensure their education fees are paid. A friend of mine had been doing that. I said I would pick and I would check their education myself. The friend an NRI mostly had been paying money for ages now. He was shocked to see that his money was hardly spent on anyones eduaction. Now he too looks into the accounts himself. A lot of people esp youngsters are taking it up now. Maybe that helps. We can atleast try .. what do you say ?

pooza u have raised a serious issue which demands everyone's attention.
all of us know that these thing go around us n v turn a blind eye 2 it.
cos that's the only thing left us 2 do. we all have same "why bother" tag on us.
i feel the only thing that cud remove the so called taboo is education .
but is it enugh ? cos sometimes these so called educated pple r the real criminals behind the scene.i had watched oprah winfrey show a long time back in which the girl pilots of us airforce were been interviwed.they told how they were subjected 2 sexual harrassment by their seniors n when they took a stand they were shown the door.n this happened in the most advanced societies of our times.our society needs pple who have a broad mind who don see these girls as a piece of dirty shit but helpess creatures who need our support
this problem needs deep thinkin ,we need 2 introspect ourseleves.

Hi Linnet

You are right. So, called educated is the thing. We live with so many taboos. Its wrong to even raise your voice and speak against something in some areas of the country. Have you seen "Lajja" How many people protested against it. But they were all real life stories. I mean why cant we accept the truth. Instead of evading it, accept it and find a solution. I dont know but cant we start it. I mean we all have younger cousins (most of us) Most of us have maid servants coming to work in your place, or access to some down trodden area. Why cant we just try and change the out look of just one person. Wont that make a huge difference ? We arent wk. We have the lives of Razia Sultana , Indira Gandhi or even Neelam Sharma to look at. We can do and undo a lot of things you know. We just need to learn how to. What do you say ?

Lotsa prob, yes, very serious probs - certainly make ppl think
Lotsa horrifying examples - and you say the f word
Show the Worst...! - and ppl would scream on the system
Something must be done! - everyone thinks...

The show will get over. The therad would be lost into the archieves. The ppl would be back on the forum as if nothing has happened. One fine day another pooza would open one more thread on the topic and it'd again get into the viscious circle...!

Is this of any meaning?

I read on cricket thered "Let your bat do the talking"...ain't it apt for this too? I think all of us, whoever has watched RDB, has got an answer! There are only two ways u can live on this earth: Let the things happen and keep watching it keeping ur mouth shut or Sholder the responsiblity...and execute the things come wat may!

Do we not have "Will Pagal Go Political", lotsa community threads and many more on issues - like this one ? Where is the activism? Is anyone of us ready to bet a life for a cuase? (Well, m not justifying whether anyone shud go for it or not).

Period.

Ritesh I agree with you. I know it mite just get dumped as some thread and maybe someone else after a year or so try to raise the issue again. You know when I posted it here. I had too many thoughts. Was wondering if I should put it on my blog or even the political thread. But I feel pagalguy is the best place. We have an elite mass here. A responsible mass. The future here. Now if atleast 10% of the 50,000 pgites here give it a second thought and take some initiative, it would make such a huge difference. Dont you feel so? Let the thread be dumped even.. what would be better is if atleast some of us do something about it. Atleast think about it. It helps isnt it? I wanted to make it a sole issue of attention, thus the new thread. I am sure you can come out with some ideas. Some suggestions

[sonika]

my way to encounter all these is very simple..
i never paid anything to NGO.. i gave them my time.. Kids are always eager to learn, but they dun get enuf attention and knowlegde in Govt schools.. so i used to help out at an NGO by giving them free tution kind of thng..
Now in pune i'm plannin to do same.. for now visint orphanages and playing wd kids..

I never pay beggars..no matter how much i want to..

I refuse to pay bribes.. n been sumhow lucky.. i got my passport without any issue n other stuff at govt orgs too..

I make it point to buy handicrafts esp for giftin purposes.. Helpage india, CRY cards work for evry occasion..

I never litter.. If i have a wrapper to throw, i bring it bak to my house in case of no dustbin..

from my side atleast i try to be a gud citizen.. n evry drop counts.. right??

[kaalki]

Originally Posted by sonika

my way to encounter all these is very simple..
i never paid anything to NGO.. i gave them my time.. Kids are always eager to learn, but they dun get enuf attention and knowlegde in Govt schools.. so i used to help out at an NGO by giving them free tution kind of thng..
Now in pune i'm plannin to do same.. for now visint orphanages and playing wd kids..

I never pay beggars..no matter how much i want to..

I refuse to pay bribes.. n been sumhow lucky.. i got my passport without any issue n other stuff at govt orgs too..

I make it point to buy handicrafts esp for giftin purposes.. Helpage india, CRY cards work for evry occasion..

I never litter.. If i have a wrapper to throw, i bring it bak to my house in case of no dustbin..

from my side atleast i try to be a gud citizen.. n evry drop counts.. right??

Exactly... Everyone knows that the cleaning has to begin at ur own home, but somehow ppl want others to start it.. U'll find a person praising the cleanliness of western countries while littering the streets here. And the same person wud be immaculate if he was there.
Why does it always hv to be so.. Ppl are ready to follow, but none wants to lead.....

Liked Sonalika's ideas abt helping out... I try to work in the similar way..

[pooza mishra]

Originally Posted by sonika

my way to encounter all these is very simple..
i never paid anything to NGO.. i gave them my time.. Kids are always eager to learn, but they dun get enuf attention and knowlegde in Govt schools.. so i used to help out at an NGO by giving them free tution kind of thng..
Now in pune i'm plannin to do same.. for now visint orphanages and playing wd kids..

I never pay beggars..no matter how much i want to..

I refuse to pay bribes.. n been sumhow lucky.. i got my passport without any issue n other stuff at govt orgs too..

I make it point to buy handicrafts esp for giftin purposes.. Helpage india, CRY cards work for evry occasion..

I never litter.. If i have a wrapper to throw, i bring it bak to my house in case of no dustbin..

from my side atleast i try to be a gud citizen.. n evry drop counts.. right??

Wow thats interesting

I would love to do that myself. Nice idea

Coming to beggars , well I used to think its the most beautiful thing to give them money , till a few months back. I mean I suddenly realised its wrong and have stopped it.

Sonika whats your suggestion to stop child abbuse, esp at home.

[rushivasani]

hi everyone,
Nice to see such concern amongst so many
of us.But,then the question is "where to
start and what to do".We,like Gandhiji
are not fighting with people but are
fighting with our own people.And its not just the
Government,the whole society.
There have been cases where the whole society
changed because of initiative from few people.
I am not talking of not-so-possible-rang-de-basanti
revolutions,but I am trying to give examples to society
changing examples of Swami Dayanand saraswati and Swami
vivekanandji who reformed the society
inspite of lots of opposition and almost eradicated child marraiges,
sati system,dowry.....
These were just to name a few.But who really cares?
who is ready to dedicate their life solely for this purposes.
we are all concerned and all of us cares but only when the other person is doing it.
We all talk about what thw govern. does and what it should actually be doing
but do we care to shout out our demands to the govern.Do we show what power as citizens
we have.Or finally we just end up being passive citizens of this country,where
a lot of crime prevails but we can't help???
(no offences intended to anyone)

[pooza mishra]

Exactly... Everyone knows that the cleaning has to begin at ur own home, but somehow ppl want others to start it.. U'll find a person praising the cleanliness of western countries while littering the streets here. And the same person wud be immaculate if he was there.
Why does it always hv to be so.. Ppl are ready to follow, but none wants to lead.....

Liked Sonalika's ideas abt helping out... I try to work in the similar way..

Hi Kalki

You are right. Charity begins at home. To make a difference to the world, we should first learn how to make a difference in the lives of people we have around us, in the society we interact with. To stand for the society we need to first stand for ourselves

hi everyone,
Nice to see such concern amongst so many
of us.But,then the question is "where to
start and what to do".We,like Gandhiji
are not fighting with people but are
fighting with our own people.And its not just the
Government,the whole society.
There have been cases where the whole society
changed because of initiative from few people.
I am not talking of not-so-possible-rang-de-basanti
revolutions,but I am trying to give examples to society
changing examples of Swami Dayanand saraswati and Swami
vivekanandji who reformed the society
inspite of lots of opposition and almost eradicated child marraiges,
sati system,dowry.....
These were just to name a few.But who really cares?
who is ready to dedicate their life solely for this purposes.
we are all concerned and all of us cares but only when the other person is doing it.
We all talk about what thw govern. does and what it should actually be doing
but do we care to shout out our demands to the govern.Do we show what power as citizens
we have.Or finally we just end up being passive citizens of this country,where
a lot of crime prevails but we can't help???
(no offences intended to anyone)

Hi rushivasani

RDB certainly is a slight exageration of what could be done in reality. But we can and should start somewhere. Sonika brought out a few points, population controll, poverty, illiteracy ... now if these are really the grass root level problems of all the issues, then maybe we should do something about it, atleast at an individual level. Maybe educate someone, maybe make someone aware. Thats how a revolution starts ... from an individual. What say ?