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Will there be a CAT 2005? - 06-12-2004, 11:23 PM

Hi,
stunning stuff whi casually browsing:
check this out:
source:
http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/dec/06iim.htm

IIM to use GMAT for executive course

At the B-school turnstiles, entry for aspirants may just get tougher as the Indian Institute of Management-Ahmedabad has decided to use GMAT to select students for its post-graduate programme in management for executives -- a move many see as the first step towards phasing out the decades-old CAT.
The PGPME is to be launched in April, 2006.

The fees for the PGPME course will be Rs 800,000, whereas the fees for the existing two-year post-graduate management course are Rs 157,000.

Executives with seven years' work experience are eligible to apply for this course.

An IIM-A official said here the idea behind the move was to lend the institute more global prominence as GMAT was recognised globally as the best test for management aptitude.

CAT scores, however, would continue to be valid for other existing post-graduate programmes, said another institute source, adding that there had been no move yet to replace CAT with GMAT for these courses.
B-school watchers feel that the pioneering move by the IIM-A may soon create a ripple effect with other IIMs in the country, too, deciding to go in for GMAT.

CAT brings in substantial revenues for the six IIMs in the country but the leakage of question papers in November, 2003, had led to a national hue and cry, prompting the institutes to look for a leak-proof examination system.

By deciding to go in for GMAT, IIM-A will become the second Indian B-school after the Indian School of Business, Hyderabad, to start a one-year PGPME course.

A document finalised at a recent meeting of the IIMA faculty council set up for the course, which is available with the Business Standard, says: "Participants (for the PGPME course) will be selected through a rigorous admissions process that includes GMAT, leadership profiling and personal interviews, either face to face or via video-conference."

Applications will be available on the institute website from March 1, 2005. The deadline for submitting applications is June 30, 2005, and GMAT scores fetched since April 1, 2002, will be considered, the sources said.
   
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06-12-2004, 11:32 PM

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a move many see as the first step towards phasing out the decades-old CAT.
err..Is it only me or does anyone else too find this very funny

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By deciding to go in for GMAT, IIM-A will become the second Indian B-school after the Indian School of Business, Hyderabad, to start a one-year PGPME course
Speaks volumes of the naivete of the author of the said article...." By goin in for GMAT" !!!! Like that sets the criteria to start a one-year course !!!

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B-school watchers feel that the pioneering move by the IIM-A may soon create a ripple effect with other IIMs in the country, too, deciding to go in for GMAT.
And who would these watchers be?? the GMAC ?? seriously, some of these journos (and more so, the online variety) need to seriously take a hike.... !!!

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something more funny - 07-12-2004, 11:43 AM

what is more funny is this:
http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/dec/07iim.htm

Same reporter reports this (one day after saying that the IIMs are going to move away from the CAT):

Edit:
On second thoughts, I realized that the two articles need not imply the same thing.. sorry :P


GMAT loses edge in India

Joydeep Ray in Ahmedabad | December 07, 2004 09:57 IST

Even though many continue to see GMAT as a must-cross hurdle to gain a career edge, a recent study conducted by the Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) has made a startling revelation -- the number of Indian students taking the test has fallen rather alarmingly.

The admission council, which conducts GMAT in partnership with the Executive MBA Council of the US, has revealed a 16 per cent decline in the number of Indian students appearing for the test in 2003-2004 compared with 2002-2003.

The study also indicates that the number may fall by as much as 25 per cent in the next year.

The report is based on feedback from representatives of 352 graduate business programmes and 238 programmes from 143 leading B-schools across the world, mainly from the US, which participated in the survey called 'Application Trends Survey-2004'.

"Around 16 per cent of the schools surveyed received fewer applications from India, while 25 per cent received less applications from China in 2004 than in 2003. While China tops the list of countries reporting a decline in the number of students taking the GMAT, India comes second followed by South Korea, reporting a 6 per cent decline, much lower than that of India while the US and UK report only a 3 per cent fall," says the study.

Although the total number of GMAT applicants declined by 4 per cent in 2003-04 compared with 2002-03, it was 16 per cent in India's case.

The study also reveals that 57,670 non-US students appeared for GMAT in 2003, while in 2004, only 50,629 opted for the test. In 2002, 69,314 non-US students had opted for GMAT.

Interestingly, while the number of Indian students appearing for the test has fallen, the trend is exactly the reverse in the case of the common admission test (CAT) conducted by the Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs).

To find a berth in six IIMs and few other leading B-schools in India, the number of students appearing for the CAT has seen a steep rise in the past few years. In 1999, around 70,000 students took the test, while 1,24,500 took the test in 2003 and the number rose to 1,46,000 in 2004.
A source close to the IIM-A, reacting to the GMAC report, said: "One of the main reasons why Indian students are aspiring more for studying in the IIMs or other such schools in India is the cost factor as US B-schools charge much higher fees than the IIMs, and some of them charge even 100 per cent more than the fees charged by B-schools in the European countries. Then there is the case of IIM graduates bagging international jobs with phenomenal salaries and overseas postings. Salaries offered to IIM grads and grads from US B-schools hardly have any difference."
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07-12-2004, 05:10 PM

I took up a mock GMAT paper recently.I think it is nowhere near CAT
in terms of being a test of one's managerial ability.
Time Management and the pressure-coping abilities of students,is IMHO,
not tested in GMAT.
CAT is a class apart.
IIMs should never part with it.


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07-12-2004, 06:06 PM

Didn't rediff post an article once which said that you DON'T need to demonstrate ur competency in all sections of CAT?

I rest my case


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CAT or GMAt - 07-12-2004, 06:44 PM

Gmat comes nowhere near CAT. CAT is the prime component in deciding the entry of student into IIMS whereas gmat is juz one of several factors and as someone pointed out the rediff sucks and jus ignore it and tat is better. CAT is way ahead of gmat in any respects.


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07-12-2004, 07:34 PM

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Didn't rediff post an article once which said that you DON'T need to demonstrate ur competency in all sections of CAT?

I rest my case
Well said man

GMAT for CAT...Not gonna happen............

There`s no way the gov. is gonna allow this........there`s already such a hue and cry about the Rs.1100/- that the IIMs charge...........

Me thinks the GMAT does not even come close to the CAT.....Although the IIMs have said that the logistical problems of organising the CAT have multiplied over the years.......I only see more and more institutes aligning them wid the CAT in the yrs to come..........

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07-12-2004, 10:51 PM

seriously coming to think of it if the iims plan to go the gmat way... u probably got 2 book your slot now itself 2 be able to take the gmat exam in 2005!!! ... and also imagine what will happen to all the 'under the cat umbrella' institutes?? it would be really interesting to see KJ som and other institutes gmat cut offs
   
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cat - 17-12-2004, 11:36 PM

well...going by the disasters like snap this year &amp; xat last yr , there is a very strong possibility that cat is here to stay.not only will it stay but grow by taking many more institutes into its net....long live the cat...ita an amazing test...best in the world.


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18-12-2004, 05:47 PM

the only problem with CAT is that it lacks standardization!!!
how else could one explain why the scores are valid for 1yr only?
if it were a standard exam like say gmat or gre then scores should be valid for atleast 3 yrs.
   
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