Important question to ponder upon...

[pooran_pooran]

Originally Posted by coolsurfer23in @ Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:30 pm

hey guys..

yep i wud agree with all of u.IIM is nt the end of the world and *defiently not a parameter to judge ur intelligence or your competency..i strongly beielive that the slection process is academic oriented...

guys im sayin this for myself..though i knew i was intelligent and smart etc etc but i never got into books...and to add to it did major mistakes in my life due to which for a long long time didnt feel nice abt myself....but then i worked my way and figured out things but then even if had got a awesome percntile the IIM's and ilks wudnt even bother to take me in coz of my past acads..i dnt say that acads dnt play a role but then just coz someone did nething wrong..shud he get the punishment for his whole life..wat kind of justice is this...those with bad acads in the past but then they decided to change thier lives shudnt be given any chance?? are not worthy of becoming managers???

hey sorry guys i know i have gone off track but then cudnt help it...nt in a good mood today

If you were to choose 1350 candidates out of one and half lakh aspirants what would you do? *Think about this for sometime and you will realize the enormity of the task. *What should be the academic background, academic scores, CAT score, work experience, communications skills in GD-PI - phew!! at the end of it, the organizers of the test will no wonder be glad that its all over. *After all these, I am sure the organizers won't be having the time or the patience to go through the life stories of each aspirant * however compelling it might be. *It is just that, since they have only 1350 odd seats they have to have certain (high) standards so that they have good aspirants. *More than a lakh of aspirants will be rejected - it does'nt mean IIMs have a secret agenda for/grievance against each of the rejected aspirant.

As far as academic performance is concerned there are two lines of thought, which they look at even during placements - the first line is that a person with good academic performance will deliver exceptional performance as a manager as well. *The second line of thinking is that the brilliant academic performers usually have poor social skills and hence would be bad managers - a person practising the second ideology would actually hire a person with poor/okay academic records. *I am sure that each line of thought has its own merits/demerits.

The point is don't cry over your past, give all the tests, CAT, XAT, GMAT....you will find your mentor/alma mater at the appropriate time. *And if you have it, you will be a manager, be there an alma mater or not. ...sheeesh, I am beginning to sound like Oprah Winfrey * .


-pooran

[ketanm]

Originally Posted by teesra banda @ Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:17 pm

Hi ketan,

Thats the point m trying to bring out, about the hype surrounding IIMs.Lots of people say its u who matter not the IIM tag.Thats very true when one thinks long term but we ( m talking about we youngsters) dont think in those terms.M just talking about the selection process which puts so much stress on just a single day and that too on just 2 hours.U can say most of the exams r of same type but therez a hell of diff between our regular exams and CAT.There we can sit idle for half hour ( like in engg exams) and still do it in time but thats not so in CAT....

Whereas i wil honestly admit that yes i do regret the decision but not much coz ultimately my life is in my hands and not into those of profesors at IIMs..

But that will always be there...its a supply demand situation.... I believe that out of 1.5 lacs sitting in CAT, 3000 - 4000 ppl have same caliber....so if only 1200 get thru in IIMs is becoz of their luck.......

If you think that only CAT is different..then you haven't looked around... what about IAS...a person spends an average 3-4 years of dedicated study just to pass through the written exam...Imagine a person putting this much effort only to find that he got sick during the finals.....same applies to JEE ....people study for 2 years right after Xth and its the same.......so for CAT its more of a hype .....you just need to realise that if you are NOT able to get into IIMs does not mean that you are any less capable than those who got thru....just that you were unlucky....period.

Ketan

[abhishek123]

well...i think most of you are overstating the pressures on teh D day....whats the percentgae of cases where a person was getting 99percentile in mocks but screwed oit up on final day?? 10% atmost. Lemme also tell you that i screwed up my CAT exam but i dont think there is any ohter pragmatic way of evaluating 1.5 lak students.

Same goes for JEE. The coachign institiute where i was studying had 4 batches based on their performance in mock tests. All the students (except 2-3 who screwed up on the JEE day) from first batch got thru in JEE with top ranks. Fewer from second batch and so on for subsequent batches. So saying that its all about that one single day is just giving yourself false condonlence.

I am not suggeting that all people in SPJ or any other institute are inferior to IIM guys (strictly in terms of the kind of aptitude CAT tests, they may however end up being much better managers), but the probablity of such an occurence is no more than 10%.

Think of it this way. Tomorrow if you want to hire the best manager, and if you dont have tiem to visit multiple colleges, which institute will you visit for recruitment in india? Obviously where likelihood of getting the best is high, which is no doubt iim.

However, tryth remains that, IIM tag helps but is in no way a neccessary or sufficient condition for success.

my 2 cents.

[ashish_u]

Originally Posted by teesra banda @ Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:12 am

Hi All...
Actually i got 99.73% last year with 5 IIM calls and one final call from IIM. Now the irony is this that had to leave it due to some personal reasons. Thought of doing it this time but unluckily my health did me in.Took CAT in fever and so m too short of any IIM call infact even from SPJAIN etc....Now i hope u can guess my condition...was regular 99%ler in MOCK cats....

U made a brave decison and I truly salute u for that becoz frankly not every body has what it takes to make such a brave decison atleast not me.

Brother, it's life and u and only u r responsible for the decison u take. had u made it to IIM A this year it's u who would have been congratulated and now it's u who would be turned down for ur decison. So take it easy when u can not do any thing and think that there might be some new opportunites for u in life. I very much believe life tries to take to to ur real destiny so it may very much be possible that ur real destiny may lie somewhere else.

Bye

[anandmbm]

This Thread has really boosted my confi. level!

makes me sure that NITIE which i may get at 59 (score) is no less!!

cheers

[jinxdjonx]

personally...all i feel is tht anything tht u feel matters, ...matters...whn ur on ur death bed moaning away in pain ...cursin ur ill luck....assuming u have a looong life...and die in ur old age which is generally very painful cos by then ur body is js a exhibition of diseases....

at tht moment it wont matter whther u did ur MBA frm an IIM or frm a third class institute...the pain wudnt go due to tht...the pain wud go js by knowin deep in ur soul tht u have ur loved ones around u. and tht...u led a gud life.

its tremendous amount of preaching (very borin too.)...but since i have seen a no. of ppl in my family, all die one by one..i kno....wot it boils down to at the very last moment....
life is wot "u" think it is. luck is wot "u" think it is..and ur stature is wot "u" think it is.

[Psychodementia]

An explicit assumptions that I would like to call out : The question is not regarding the OP's frustration regarding NOT making it to the IIMs.

If I could re-phrase it, more like, "Do you think the 2hours are objective and quantitative measures of a person's ability to be a manager ?"

Arun

[shrikanthk]

Originally Posted by Psychodementia @ Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:15 am

An explicit assumptions that I would like to call out : The question is not regarding the OP's frustration regarding NOT making it to the IIMs.

If I could re-phrase it, more like, "Do you think the 2hours are objective and quantitative measures of a person's ability to be a manager ?"

Arun

Well, CAT is perhaps not a test of our managerial skills.
But one must keep in mind the fact that many IIM graduates don't opt for managerial jobs.People getting placed in I-banks are not managers,they are
analysts.
That's probably the reason why IIMs give so much weightage to quantitative and
analytical skills and insist on very high percentiles.

[RAHUL ABRAHAM MAMMAN]

Originally Posted by Psychodementia @ Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:15 am

An explicit assumptions that I would like to call out : The question is not regarding the OP's frustration regarding NOT making it to the IIMs.

If I could re-phrase it, more like, "Do you think the 2hours are objective and quantitative measures of a person's ability to be a manager ?"

Arun

Surely the two hour test in itself is not a good screening process to judge one s managerial capability ....becoz it s all based on that day s performance. But as someone said. only about 10 percent of the toppers end up screwing the actual paper .
In India since we do not have a dearth of talent ..this test is more than sufficient...though there are some flaws.....
Though the test may not be a good way of eliminating ppl ..in the Indian context I feel .it s ok.
Reasons
1) It s not just the top two thousand who are good....actually unlike most other countries.....our top 4000-5000 deserve to get into the IIMs ...I t s just a lack of seats.....Hence atleast we can console at the fact that the seats are all going to deserving candidates.....(Forget about reservations )

[teesra banda]

Originally Posted by Psychodementia @ Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:15 am

An explicit assumptions that I would like to call out : The question is not regarding the OP's frustration regarding NOT making it to the IIMs.

If I could re-phrase it, more like, "Do you think the 2hours are objective and quantitative measures of a person's ability to be a manager ?"

Arun

EXACTLY....Arun....Thats the point !

Btw many people pointed out the analogy of JEE & IAS.But guys therez lot of diff between CAT and those exams.