Engineering Freshers Shud not be allowed to sit for MBA entrance

[CATastrophe_sam]

I feel Engineers shud not be allowed to sit for MBA entrance exams.
I mean if you are already an Engg from a premier institute, why do you need to change your line of expertise ? this is probably the greatest example of non focus out there.
Even according to Rashmi Bansal ( JamMag.com) - The dichotomy lies in the view of an Engg trying to pursure Business administration.
I feel Engg should not be allowed to sit for premier B School exams unless they have 2-3 yrs Work ex.
At least these guys get a chance to put into practice what they have learnt !!

It's like a doctor wanting to do MBA after his MBBS - does it make sense !!

Lets have a discussion and not a fight on this ( for the record me too an engg. )

Thanks,
sam

[capreal26]

& you also spoke that IIMs are the worst place to go .. rt.

what next... ?

[MurTuzA]

I do agree with u here......Even I feel that it really doesnt make much sense.
Ppl who r still in Engineering final yr are seen preparing for CAT.Preparing to get into an instituition which offers something a lot diff from wot they have studied for the past 4 yrs.

Maybe If there is a spl. program like MIS.....it atleast makes sense.....Cos there a S/W Engineer will use the skills he wud have acquired during Engg and learn to implement them.( I guess the PGSM prog at IIMB and PGDCM at IIMC are on the similar lines)

I dunno much abt the course offered at the B-schools but i m pretty sure that most of the concepts learnt by students during thier Engg days are simply thrown out of the window.....

I think u shud change the title of the post to Engg. Freshers shudnt b allowed to sit for MBA Entrance.

If a person was so sure of going for an MBA then y didnt he simply take up Bcom.This way he wud have atleast been better equipped for an MBA education.....

Wanna ask all the ppl in Bschools who were Engineering pass outs.....How tough was it for u to cope up with the subjects???

Me Being a S/W engineer myself, remember that we had just one subject for Finance and Economics during the entire 4 yrs of engineering......From that to full time high funda Fin and Eco stuff sounds tough to handle......

I m just viewing my Opinions here.........

Murtuza

[arnavsinha]

Wow!! Are you really an engineer? And it's difficult to not have a fight when something like this is stated in a manner like this, but even I hope it continues as a civilised discussion.
As for my two-bit on this issue, I have heard this a whole lot of times, and I find this very similar to people finding fault in an engineer or doctor appearing for Civil Services, or IITians going abroad after the nation spends so much on their education. What I essentially feel is that if a person is good enough, and there are opportunities available, he should go ahead and do what he feels will help him further his career without bothering to care for other people. That might sound very selfish, but then won't all those people who are cribbing about these selfish guys actually go on and do the same thing only if they were a bit more competent themselves?
There are other issues when it comes to MBA. I agree that a person with work-experience is more likely to make a better use of whatever's taught in a B-School than one with none (this opinion is of course based on hearsay in my case). But I suppose it's not lost completely on those students also who haven't been fortunate enough to have worked in an organisation before joining the course! Moreover, there are several people graduating afresh who probably want to change their streams (especially in engineering, and this is not based on hearsay at all), or are not particularly excited with the jobs available to them right now, and we should consider their case too.
Being an engineer-to-be myself one thing I can vouch for is that a substantial number of students who take up engineering in India after school have no idea what they are getting into and an MBA is a way to make a transition into a slightly more interesting field. For many of them again it might just be another shot at what everybody else is doing, but I would still prefer to believe that at least some of them are making a more informed choice when they opt for an MBA than when they chose engineering.

[CATastrophe_sam]

Hey dude,
I respect the criticism - but that thread was for a reason - read before u comment !!
secondly - this is a discussion - me an engg. too - don't maro wise cracks cause that aint' gonna win any appreciation - get a good point across -
And please do not make the effort of trying to outsmart everyone - for all i care u may be the 'chosen one' - end of the day - u'r still the one who continues to blabber and people just look at you, smile an turn to what is more important - every circus has a joker remember !!

Sincere regards,
sam

[arnavsinha]

Yikes!! Sam, I hope that wasn't an outburst at me...I was being very polite there. Anyway, if you reply to a particular message, it would be a lot more convenient if you could quote it....in this case the message that offended you.

[pooran_pooran]

Hi yaar,

I'm a bit perplexed. Why this discussion now? Test is just a month and a few days away, and I feel you should not fritter away your energy on these discussions. By the way, catastrophe, if you are in some kind of confusion like Arjuna in the time of Mahabharata war, thats another issue. Just don't lose your focus at this juncture.

-pooran

[indiancomet]

Hi Folks,
When we say "Engineers Shud not be allowed to sit for MBA entrance" we bring in "Discrimination". As Arnav has correctly said in his post that most ppl who join Engg. inti's have little or no idea what it(engineering) will be like, they have a good option to change their line.
But, sincerely speaking MBA is not ONLY "Finance"; its a lot more than that.
What say junta....
I am open to views...

[MurTuzA]

Originally Posted by arnavsinha @ Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:56 pm

Wow!! Are you really an engineer? And it's difficult to not have a fight when something like this is stated in a manner like this, but even I hope it continues as a civilised discussion.

But I suppose it's not lost completely on those students also who haven't been fortunate enough to have worked in an organisation before joining the course! Moreover, there are several people graduating afresh who probably want to change their streams (especially in engineering, and this is not based on hearsay at all), or are not particularly excited with the jobs available to them right now, and we should consider their case too.

Being an engineer-to-be myself one thing I can vouch for is that a substantial number of students who take up engineering in India after school have no idea what they are getting into and an MBA is a way to make a transition into a slightly more interesting field. For many of them again it might just be another shot at what everybody else is doing, but I would still prefer to believe that at least some of them *are making a more informed choice when they opt for an MBA than when they chose engineering.

Hey its not good to make such comments....If u wanna criticise do it in a civil manner man.
Ppl changing their streams right after graduating means that they r not giving themselves a chance to put to use the knowledge that they wud have gained for the past 4 yrs....so basically wudnt that b like wasting 4 yrs. of ur life???
I totally agree that ppl who get into engg r more or less lost...they were just flowing with the flow....but similar is the case with CAT and MBA..at least I have seen ppl doing that.....just flowing with the flow...Y do it? Cos others have done that too and its the in thing....thats the only reason ppl have.
Having just got out of a place after basically wasting 4 yrs. wud it b wise tto go in for a couple more year?? wots the gurantee that u wudnt come out of an IIM after two yrs with a similar feeling?I believe that going for a PG is like going to a point of no return.....so one shud b sure that he wants to go there beforehand....cos later it will b just too late.

I can state from my personal exp here....I have been working for the past two yrs in a big Trading Company as a System Analyst and Designer......I have seen the nitty gritties of the business world of how things work.....Working with Sales,Marketing and Accounts ppl and interacting with them while designing the system here,I learnt a lot of things which I had never ever come across in my life before.
I had an IIM passout as my GM for some time too.Watching him go abt his work was a real pleasure.A grt Learning exp.Seeing all this arnd u,I learnt wot the thing is all abt.I can say that he inspired me.And I realised that this is wot I love and wud wanna do for the rest of my life.

I agree with Pooran though....with a few days to go,this isnt really the perfect thread to b running here...especially for freshers

Any kinda criticism is welcome

Murtuza

[ExpandingHorizon]

I think Arnavsinha has put forward some pretty valid points. If someone decides to go in for a change of stream after 3 or 4 years of acquaintance with a particular subject, then so be it. If you think that's 4 years of life wasted then so be it again. Why would that person want to waste 2-3 years more by working (assuming that he gets a job in the related field) in the same field? So if he is clever, he is going to opt to change his stream at the soonest and that is why I have no problems at all against fresh Engineers who decide to sit for MBA exams. Making statements like "No Fresh Engineers should be allowed to sit for MBA exams" is just too draconian and doesnt find any sympathy from me.