Engineering Freshers Shud not be allowed to sit for MBA entrance

[greycell_engineer]

pUTTING FORWARD SUCH AN ARGUEMENT SHOWS UR SHORT-SIGHTEDNESS..NM UR DESPERATION..Well this does remind me of an open debate put forward by Arindam Chaudhari of
eye eye pee mm..that engineers shud remain within their domain...Well if engineers hv proved 2b better business managers..then y shudn't top notch b-schools opt *4 engineers??They hv got d necessry technical knowledge..n empoweing them with managerial skill will help d organization most than opting 4 some xyz graduate.....i wud like state that.

..ENGINEERING SHOULD BE A MANDATORY PRE-REQUISITE 4 MBA..ON THE LINES OF JMET/NITTIE..COS WITHOUT TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE NO USE OF IMPARTING MANAGERIAL SKILLS......U NEED SOME STUFF ON WHICH U CAN SURVIVE..OTHER THAN UR MANAGERIAL SKILL..WHICH IS A TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE.
This is bound 2 create a furoar..but this a facrt my dear..75%IIMA juntas -engineers.same wth othr IIms XLRI..XIMB.........
U CAN LUV US HATE US..BUT U CAN'T IGNORE US//.

CHEERS
KUNAL
NATIONAL INSTITUTS OF TECHNOLOGY-TRICHY

*Go easy on the font & size pal!! -Simba*

[CATastrophe_sam]

Originally Posted by arnavsinha @ Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:34 pm

Yikes!! Sam, I hope that wasn't an outburst at me...I was being very polite there. Anyway, if you reply to a particular message, it would be a lot more convenient if you could quote it....in this case the message that offended you.

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Het arnav,
I am so srry man - i'm new to this and i wasn't aware quote thingi - it's just that in any discussion wisecracks are never welcome ! ( read the other View by capreal26 )

U did put across some fien points but as i said end of the day it shows you have no focus if you are an IIT grad and an IIM passout ( without Work Ex )

I'm not saying one shud not have his selfish interests but it's always necessary to put whatu learn to practice - otherwise all u are doing is garnering some degrees - i mean unless u wanna be a prof or soemthing - it won't really work well.

BTW how's the prep for Nov 21 - have u joined ay coaching - i'm a PT student in Pune - i'm gettign lilttle time to prepare and my Quant has taken a serious hit man - any suggestions !!

hey i don't have a 60% agg. in Engg do u thin ki shud still apply to FMS ??

Sam

[coolcataspirant]

hey kunal,

MAybe what u said fits into only the INDIAn context but not the world wide one !!! The fact that some x % are engineers is due to the fact that 1 out of every 3 people in INDIA study engineering... It's more like -- "U MUST BE EITHER A DOCTOR OR ENGINEER OR U ARE DOOMED !!!".. Learn to appreciate the diversity of experiences.. U can learn much more if u had some journalists, CA's , architects as u'r batch mates rather than jus engineers... I donno if u have read snan's post on the LIFE@IIM A thread.. Read it and u will change u'r mind !!!!!!!!!


-- Karthik
(an engineer !!!)

[CATastrophe_sam]

Originally Posted by coolcataspirant @ Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:50 pm

hey kunal,

MAybe what u said fits into only the INDIAn context but not the world wide one !!! The fact that some x % are engineers is due to the fact that 1 out of every 3 people in INDIA study engineering... It's more like -- "U MUST BE EITHER A DOCTOR OR ENGINEER OR U ARE DOOMED !!!".. Learn to appreciate the diversity of experiences.. U can learn much more if u had some journalists, CA's , architects as u'r batch mates rather than jus engineers... I donno if u have read snan's post on the LIFE@IIM A thread.. Read it and u will change u'r mind !!!!!!!!!


-- Karthik
* (an engineer !!!)

Hey Karthik,
that was fine - yes i woudl agree with you. As i said what really matters is how much of exposure you get.
Every educationsal institute follows a principle - a method to educate their students . i don't think any Engg coll has a principle to make their kids an MBA grad. they all want you to make Great engg. design and make this place more wonderfull to live in. Something a good Med school would teach you.
A flaw in any Engg coll is that they do not expose you to the Business aspect of technology - to learn that i agree you can do MBA but then why specialize in Marketing or finance - if you see at the stats - Mostly Engg prefer Finance and IT . IT makes sense but after all isn't an MBA supposed to be directed towards business.
In this case BComs and Doctorsd should be eligible to do Btech - why not so
cause every stream has a focus and is designed to give you a direction . u need to use it.
As a recruiter how can one be sure if u will indeed stick by the MBA degree and not decide to specialize in Tabla playing !!

take it further guys - critics come up with some points and not vocal advertising about how good Engg. We are all engg here so the debate should have weight !

Kunl BTW are u a fresher ?? the 'josh' is greatly appreciated dude

cheers to a value discussion

sam

[MurTuzA]

Arre my frnds.....An opinion is never right or wrong...I dont claim I m right...But I believe in wot i said...I viewed my thoughts....I m not saying that whoever goes for MBA right after Engg. is wrong or anything......
Please do not try to catch wot others are saying and make a comment abt it.....
U have an opinion on the topic...then express it....
Dont react to others' posts....Just give ur views on the topic....
That cud make it a healthy discussion and everyone cud get something out of it......

Murtuza

[Noxious]

Engineers develop certain amount of analytically thinking in 4 yrs, which helps them to manage the company better in crisis. as greycell_engineer said that u might hate us but cant ignore us. Apart from that we Engineers run some of the biggest organizations in the world that’s why we are preferred most.

[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by greycell_engineer @ Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:38 pm

pUTTING FORWARD SUCH AN ARGUEMENT SHOWS UR SHORT-SIGHTEDNESS..NM UR DESPERATION..Well this does remind me of an open debate put forward by Arindam Chaudhari of
eye eye pee mm..that engineers shud remain within their domain...Well if engineers hv proved 2b better business managers..then y shudn't top notch b-schools opt *4 engineers??They hv got d necessry technical knowledge..n empoweing them with managerial skill will help d organization most than opting 4 some xyz graduate.....i wud like state that.

..ENGINEERING SHOULD BE A MANDATORY PRE-REQUISITE 4 MBA..ON THE LINES OF JMET/NITTIE..COS WITHOUT TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE NO USE OF IMPARTING MANAGERIAL SKILLS......U NEED SOME STUFF ON WHICH U CAN SURVIVE..OTHER THAN UR MANAGERIAL SKILL..WHICH IS A TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE.
This is bound 2 create a furoar..but this a facrt my dear..75%IIMA juntas -engineers.same wth othr IIms XLRI..XIMB.........
U CAN LUV US HATE US..BUT U CAN'T IGNORE US//.

CHEERS
KUNAL
NATIONAL INSTITUTS OF TECHNOLOGY-TRICHY

*Go easy on the font & size pal!! -Simba*

Look i personally think what sam says he is perfectly wright that eng. students souldnt go for MBA cause its totally irrelevent to do that cause it changes the focus and the eng. students do this just to earn a hansome salary nothing else thats very bad.

an engineering student with a degree of MBA and that too in fiance ha ha ha ha ha ha the biggest joke isnt it y doesnt he do CA then rather than MBA.

I think that Eng. student shouldnt go for it.

more thing to add from my side is that check out what happens if no eng. student is allowed to do MBA for 1 economic year what do u all say

[shrikanthk]

This notion of making work-ex a pre-requisite makes sense in US and not in india.
In any good US b-school,we'll find people from different domains i.e guys with banking experience,IT exp,or even in some cases managerial experience.In sharp contrast,in India you'll find 80% of the work-ex would've been in IT.Despite their IT
backgrounds,many of these students (at least half) won't be opting for systems.Thus,their pre-MBA experience will be of little significance in their post-MBA assignments.For instance,sam, tell me how on earth coding experience in wipro/TCS is going to help you in an I-Bank say Goldman sachs?
As far as your prejudice against engineers is concerned,keep in mind that in India,unlike in US, the quality of commerce/arts education is abysmal.This is largely because most good students don't even consider commerce/arts as an option when they're in 12th. There are exceptions of course, but they're few and far in between.
Moreover it is not binding on every engineer to become a technologist.The engineering course helps you develop comfort with numbers and an analytical bent of mind which are essential to be successful in any walk of life.

[CATastrophe_sam]

Originally Posted by murtuzaamin_13 @ Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:09 pm

Arre my frnds.....An opinion is never right or wrong...I dont claim I m right...But I believe in wot i said...I viewed my thoughts....I m not saying that whoever goes for MBA right after Engg. is wrong or anything......
Please do not try to catch wot others are saying and make a comment abt it.....
U have an opinion on the topic...then express it....
Dont react to others' posts....Just give ur views on the topic....
That cud make it a healthy discussion and everyone cud get something out of it......

Murtuza

Dear Murtuza,
I am not trying to catch wat u are saying buddy - it was for Kunal - the Engg advertiser - he was under the impression that enng is a pre requisite for MBA.
That is what we are contesting - not personal wars here friend.

Sincere regards,
sam

[enrique7]

Hey ppl,

First of all its true that there has to be some stuff technicaly in a manager.
But guys it seems awkward when a core Mech Engineer enters a financial firm like ICICI Bank that also in finance division not marketing.
This is a real foolishness on part of B-schools in India a person should definitely have some pre degree like B.E.,C.A.,etc. or even journalism etc. It would be best if that person has worked for the same industry for a 2 yr. and then he is all set with practical n theoritical knowledge should continue with a Management degree n a placement in respective field.
Of course marketing is a exception but that also works much better if a Electronics Engineer works for marketing in Motorola not a BCom graduate its real awkward. Indian B-schools should understand these things n not allow any fresher without industry exp. to pursue MBA. Its a pure n core foolishness. This is not the case in Top US B-schools. Pure madness by IIM's