Where do we stand for CAT 2004?

[lomi]

hi there,
i wud actually not agree with shrikanth fr a fresher, engineering student will have to be in 600 rank range or 99.6 percentile to expect a call frm a,b,c. i wud actually say its 1100 students or rank. i believe each iim have 300 seats though am not totally sure, i think its true coz saw a news tat iimk is taking 300 this year so a,b,c shd as well. so totally 900 seats. a very common way is to say 1:2 fr calls expectin multiple calls. i wud say roughly 1800 distinct studnets will get a,b,c calls this year. of which workexp,commerce,science will take in 40%(this is too much actually but lets be lil pessimistic.) then it leaves us with 60% or 1080 seats or 1100 approximately. so anyone in top 1100 can expect a call frm a or b or c. also wanna add a call mite not mean a convert. so overall i believe a final convert can depend on many factors so no take on tht. i believe calls mostly depend on cat score. so this data can almost be correct.

Am not into this coachin institute analysis. its total waste of time. i wud say except lets say 200 students who are too good tat they can do any exam any day anytime. all others are in the same league with each one gettin up or down. when i say all i don mean all those 1.5 lakh students who mite be taking cat this year. i mean 30k students whom i believe are seriously preparing fr cat. These 30 k students can spring in a surpris andget a cal l when anyone least expects them to do so. and those studs who are always in 99 percentiles of time can fail to get even a single call. this can happen. so no use analyzing based on these mock cat scores.

[lomi]

also wanna add tht rank can also vary depending on ur section splits and with this in mind a 2000 ranker mte get a call and a 500 mite not. so there are exceptions here as well.

[tb]

n also wanna add don't predict the most unpredictable exam

[RahulSharma]

Mocks are good indicator of our standing among our competitors.
But let them be just mocks.

CAT doesn't have a past, neither it has any future.
2 hours, just 2 hours decide our fate.

Imagine, CAT 2004 to be 4 section and 170 questions. Startegies will fall at places!
Picking and accuracy matters in the end.

Scoring 96 percentile in all sections is much better than scoring 99.5 in 2, and 90 in other 2.

[newguy]

All said and done, I would take Ghulam's side because of some examples I know which defies all rules,luck, strategies and statistics discussed so far on this thread.

Guys, do you agree that your performance keep fluctuating from mock to mock ( how many of us consistently score in a particular range of score, i doubt there ain't many ). There is just no point is looking at the mock score, they should not be anything more than a drive to prepare better. You base the previous mock as yourself on last sunday and then strive to become a better prepared test taker on the next sunday..that's what mocks mean to me..I never ever brood over these statistics that if i am gonna get a rank of 250 in the mocks, i am surely IN...just forget it...

Coming to the examples...( all of 2001 CAT )

1) This guy has joined IMS..hardly shows up in the SIMs...he is not even sure of whether he is gonna write CAt or just drop the whole idea...on the D Day, he goes in, writes the paper at his own pace, solves around 60 ( amazing accuracy, mind you ), gets a calls from A ( and nowhere else )...Period

2) This guy is surrounded by wingmates who are all dead serious about CAT..he fills the form because everybody in the wing has done so...a week before CAT, he asks people around about different types of questions CAT asks..this guy gets a final call from L..all his wingmates didn't even got a GD/PI Call.

3) This guy used to screw the PT mocks..sometimes, he used to solve the entire paper and wait for 2 hours to complete..I don't remember, he ever got a score less than 100..he didn't received a single call ( not even GD / PI )..

so, guys, now sinve the D Day is inching closer day by day, i would request all the aspirants to participate in some constructive thread...such discussions yield no meaning and there are so many frigging things to discuss....On a lighter note, for example, can somebody tell me which book to study for number theory. By number theory, imean those divisibility, factorial, primes, inequalities...( Like the CL mock 5 asked )?

[RahulSharma]

S. Krishna secured 90 something rank in Civil services in the year 1991(if I'm not mistaken). Was getting IPS, and wanted IAS.
In CS you can hold the rank for 1 year. He gave exam next year, and failed in the prelims itself.
Had spunk to drop IPS, and appeared again. Got 1st rank that year.

And he ackn. that he had bad 2 hours in prelims. No amount of prepartion could have helped.

He write articles for ET once in a month.

[IIMbthere]

Originally Posted by lomi @ Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:10 pm

so anyone in top 1100 can expect a call frm a or b or c. also wanna add a call mite not mean a convert. so overall i believe a final convert can depend on many factors so no take on tht. i believe calls mostly depend on cat score. so this data can almost be correct.

think thts a pretty gud estimate. just a lil low i guess 900-1000 for ABC calls but again tht depends on no. of factors. sectional cutoffs, acads and work-ex being sm of them

[why]

I agree with that LUCK wala ideology completely. I am a CL student and have given 4 mocks ( couldnt give one). My rankings have fluctuated. I manage to clear english and DI easily but Quant is a big problem. Now , since the past 4 days or so, i have really slogged and have developed a good strategy to do quant and am being successful. ( what i did pehle was that i just used to guess the answers and fall into the CAT "trap") Now i have actually started picking out questions and actually sloving them. I now manage a score of around 15. this is from a score of 3-6.

SO the point that I am trying to make here is that even now, its too early to predict. I know i am being an optimist here but still, there might be people who would "enlighten" themselves in the 2nd week of november!!!!!!!

[Simba]

Originally Posted by betty @ Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:05 am

but u seem to be forgetting a very important factor out there. LUCK
.

Just a passing thought, LUCK is nothing but the marriage of preparation with oppurtunity..

Simba

[shrikanthk]

Originally Posted by lomi @ Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:10 pm

hi there,
i wud actually not agree with shrikanth fr a fresher, engineering student will have to be in 600 rank range or 99.6 percentile to expect a call frm a,b,c. i wud actually say its 1100 students or rank.

Lomi,
Your reasoning is probably right.
But consider this fact :
Not a single fresher engineer below 99.7%ile received a GD/PI call from IIMB
in cat 2k3.
I agree that such facts are demoralising for freshers like you and me.But,i guess
one has to accept the ground reality .